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20151013 00:04:41< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#7626 (sdl2 - 5890e3c : Andreas Löf): The build passed.
20151013 00:04:41< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/85019010
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20151013 00:17:22< Aginor> there we go.
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20151013 05:52:05< wedge009> Aginor: Thanks for your efforts on the invalid surface issue.
20151013 05:52:41< Aginor> wedge009: thank you for testing
20151013 05:53:10< Aginor> is there any chance you can provide me with a stack trace from the draw_text_line crash? :)
20151013 05:55:26< wedge009> What's the best way to go about this?
20151013 05:56:04< wedge009> Aginor: If you missed it, your commit seems to fix the intermittent icon issue as well. Lends credence to my theory that it was timing related all along - something must have been resolved in the event handling.
20151013 05:56:22< Aginor> nice
20151013 05:56:30< Aginor> I had missed that
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20151013 06:02:36< wedge009> Aginor: If there's a better way of presenting that, let me know.
20151013 06:02:50< wedge009> (Stack trace in the bug report.)
20151013 06:03:45< Aginor>  thanks
20151013 06:03:48< Aginor> it's good enough :)
20151013 06:04:36< Aginor> wedge009: and just to be clear, that happens on a resize still?
20151013 06:04:46< wedge009> No no, resize is fixed.
20151013 06:05:12< Aginor> right
20151013 06:05:19< Aginor> completely different issue then :)
20151013 06:05:38< wedge009> Aginor: But it's similar, isn't it?
20151013 06:06:11< Aginor> a wee bit, but I expect the underlying cause to be rather different
20151013 06:08:27< Aginor> I'll look into it
20151013 06:09:50< wedge009> Ah, sorry to put more work on you. ): Let me know if you need more information/testing.
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20151013 11:38:14< vultraz> Looks like there's some wok to do if we want wesnoth to buil with lua 5.3
20151013 11:38:19< vultraz> build*
20151013 11:39:21< vultraz> work*
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20151013 13:38:52< vultraz> got it building :D
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20151013 14:02:43< vultraz> PR #525
20151013 14:12:51< vultraz> aw, damn ,getting some weird runtime issue
20151013 14:17:17< vultraz> PANIC: unprotected error in call to Lua API (library 'bit32' has been deprecated) o_O
20151013 14:17:27< vultraz> what have I done
20151013 14:20:58< vultraz> hmmm
20151013 14:24:29< vultraz> I think I need LUA_COMPAT_5_2
20151013 14:25:55< vultraz> yes, that fixes it
20151013 14:27:10< fendrin> hi vultraz
20151013 14:27:22< vultraz> hekki
20151013 14:27:24< vultraz> hello*
20151013 14:32:31< vultraz> fendrin: you wanted to speak to me?
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20151013 14:39:46< fendrin> vultraz: I remember we talked about qt in a private chat. 
20151013 14:40:24< vultraz> Yes
20151013 14:40:44< fendrin> I wonder what makes qt not suited for a game like wesnoth?
20151013 14:42:38< vultraz> too heavy
20151013 14:43:23< fendrin> Yes. It is quite huge. Which one would you prefer?
20151013 14:43:52< fendrin> one == gui framework library
20151013 14:46:50< vultraz> I'm not sure
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20151013 14:46:58< vultraz> Since I don't know what's available 
20151013 14:47:09< vultraz> Preferably something flexible, modern, and lightweight
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20151013 14:52:02< fendrin> vultraz: Okay. The rest project people don't seem to have thought much about alternatives if the finish gui2 plan fails.
20151013 14:52:23< celticminstrel> ???
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20151013 15:07:30< fendrin> vultraz: I mean, you could at least ask the new people if they are skilled in some gui system. Offer the possibility to solve the problem this way. Writting some manifest that encourages potential helpers to have a look into it. 
20151013 15:09:28< celticminstrel> If by "some GUI system" you mean existing things like Qt, wx, Tk, etc, that's not really fitting for Wesnoth in my opinion... but maybe there are existing things meant for games and built in SDL, I dunno.
20151013 15:09:40< celticminstrel> ^built on
20151013 15:10:24< Elvish_Hunter> Wait, what? Are we planning to change GUI toolkit?
20151013 15:10:48< celticminstrel> Not quite sure, but I think fendrin is merely suggesting we should keep that option on the table?
20151013 15:12:24< fendrin> celticminstrel: I don't think gui2 will ever be finished. You won't have much alternatives on the long term. Or do you know a better plan than using something existing and mature?
20151013 15:13:02< celticminstrel> I don't know of anything.
20151013 15:13:39< fendrin> Yes. I see. There is no one with a decent plan around anymore.
20151013 15:18:25< Elvish_Hunter> On the other hand, if we decide to change toolkit, one criteria may be that we must be able to create Wesnoth themed widgets.
20151013 15:19:01< Elvish_Hunter> I'm aware that QT (and, to a lesser extent, Tk) allow to create themes.
20151013 15:19:39< celticminstrel> But Qt and Tk are completely different from what we need. They're full-fledged GUI creation systems for multiple windows, whereas we just want something to put up modal dialogs.
20151013 15:20:19< iceiceice> celticminstrel: i mean what we need is a little more complicated
20151013 15:20:24< iceiceice> gui2 does not support drop down menus for instance
20151013 15:20:40< iceiceice> any drop down menus that you see int he game are gui1
20151013 15:20:59< iceiceice> and drop down menus is not that different from, multiple independent windows
20151013 15:21:17< fendrin> Independent windows wouldn't hurt as well.
20151013 15:21:27< loonycyborg> actually I think that qt5 is right for wesnoth :P
20151013 15:21:28< fendrin> for some debug console or editor tool for example.
20151013 15:21:53< celticminstrel> Well, SDLw can actually make independent windows, I think.
20151013 15:21:57< celticminstrel> ^SDL2
20151013 15:22:09< loonycyborg> It has totally different overal design than previous versions of qt
20151013 15:22:20< fendrin> loonycyborg: Well, I don't say qt is the best and most suitable. But it seems at least mature and feature rich enough.
20151013 15:22:25< loonycyborg> so it's better for custom guis like wesnoth's
20151013 15:22:47< loonycyborg> but worse for abstracting standard system guis
20151013 15:23:01< celticminstrel> I think it's better to use something built on SDL2. Which is what we already do, of course.
20151013 15:23:05< iceiceice> loonycyborg: it still requires this "qmake" thing though, right?
20151013 15:23:16< iceiceice> my enthusiasm for qt dropped pretty rapidly when i got to that part :p
20151013 15:23:25< celticminstrel> ^
20151013 15:23:29< fendrin> Building qt5 isn't easy.
20151013 15:23:44< loonycyborg> you mean for using it?
20151013 15:23:51< loonycyborg> you can just use pkg-config
20151013 15:23:56< loonycyborg> from any buildsystem
20151013 15:24:18< iceiceice> really?
20151013 15:24:21< fendrin> loonycyborg: I tried to modify our scons system to do with qt5 dialogs. But that failed.
20151013 15:24:52< loonycyborg> also there's a qt tool for scons
20151013 15:24:55< fendrin> loonycyborg: I don't say it is not possible. It was just not easy enough for me to get it right in a short time.
20151013 15:25:12 * celticminstrel is against qt
20151013 15:25:20< iceiceice> loonycyborg: when i looked into it they basically said that the scons qt thing is very immature
20151013 15:25:30< iceiceice> and cited lots of community grief
20151013 15:25:49< iceiceice> but maybe there is a better tool now
20151013 15:25:53< iceiceice> when i googled i found this: https://bitbucket.org/scons/scons/wiki/FromQmakeToScons
20151013 15:26:11< fendrin> iceiceice: Well, do you know a good alternative to qt?
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20151013 15:26:57< iceiceice> i mean i didn't really look at this stuff in a while
20151013 15:27:08< iceiceice> one thing that i looked at for a different project was CEGUI
20151013 15:27:16< iceiceice> but this requires opengl
20151013 15:27:40< iceiceice> if it were not for that i would say its a pretty good fit for wesnoth
20151013 15:28:20< Elvish_Hunter> CEGUI? Never heard of that.
20151013 15:28:53< iceiceice> yeah i guess it is mostly oriented at games and not like business applications
20151013 15:29:00< loonycyborg> https://bitbucket.org/dirkbaechle/scons_qt5
20151013 15:29:02< celticminstrel> But we'll be using OpenGL, won't we?
20151013 15:29:12< loonycyborg> that one is a bit more mature
20151013 15:29:18< celticminstrel> Eventually, at least. With the SDL2 shift.
20151013 15:29:24< iceiceice> celticminstrel: i mean right now we do all this software rendering still i guess
20151013 15:30:30< iceiceice> the graphics / display layer gets a bit gnarly
20151013 15:30:52< iceiceice> iiuc there have been a few branches people made at various points to try to switch to opengl but none has worked out
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20151013 15:32:22< loonycyborg> I ever considered qt5 only because I noticed that it has became overal equivalent of CEGUI :P
20151013 15:32:50< fendrin> loonycyborg: So cegui would suit you?
20151013 15:33:26< loonycyborg> yes, in theory I don't see much difference between those two
20151013 15:33:30< iceiceice> have to go, bbl
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20151013 15:34:02< fendrin> loonycyborg: Yes. CEGUI seems fine.
20151013 15:35:23< fendrin> loonycyborg: CEGUI offers a lua interface. This might be a point.
20151013 15:38:08< celticminstrel> I can't figure out what CEGUI actually does from their website.
20151013 15:38:39< fendrin> celticminstrel: It offers widgets. Buttons, sliders...
20151013 15:39:01< fendrin> celticminstrel: the same qt or our gui2 does
20151013 15:39:23< celticminstrel> Hmm.
20151013 15:40:03< celticminstrel> It kinda sounds like a full windowing toolkit like wx, Swing, or Tk, though.
20151013 15:40:14< celticminstrel> Especially given the comparison to Qt.
20151013 15:40:17< fendrin> it is
20151013 15:40:40< fendrin> that is why i think it is suitable
20151013 15:41:01< fendrin> when i did the check for qt5 many search results pointed to cegui
20151013 15:41:07< fendrin> so it is not new to me
20151013 15:42:47< celticminstrel> I dunno.
20151013 15:46:42< celticminstrel> A full windowing toolkit just seems like overkill to me.
20151013 15:47:43< Elvish_Hunter> On the other hand, we won't have to implement and maintain every single widget on our own...
20151013 15:47:52< celticminstrel> True.
20151013 15:49:49< fendrin> celticminstrel: Do you know any half windowing toolkits?
20151013 15:50:15< fendrin> celticminstrel: Remember that gui2 is trying to be a full windowing toolkit itself. It just is not finished.
20151013 15:50:40< celticminstrel> It's true that GUI2 is pretty complicated...
20151013 15:50:59< celticminstrel> With lots of complicated widgets. It's not just a few simple widgets.
20151013 15:52:25< fendrin> I don't really get your point.
20151013 15:52:37< fendrin> Why is offering a complete set of widgets a problem?
20151013 15:52:50< celticminstrel> I'm just making an observation.
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20151013 15:54:47< fendrin> celticminstrel: I still don't get it. You call it complicated. Are there easy to use simple widgets libraries suited for games?
20151013 15:56:29< celticminstrel> I don't know of any. I think something like... what was it... GLUI? ...would be what I'm thinking about. But, some googling found CEGUI recommended for games while Qt was considered overkill, so I suppose CEGUI could be fine.
20151013 15:57:51< fendrin> celticminstrel: I guess it depends on how easy the lua interface is to be used by UMC designers.
20151013 15:58:31< celticminstrel> If it's bad, we don't need to expose it to them.
20151013 15:59:50< fendrin> hmmm
20151013 15:59:53< fendrin> I would like to.
20151013 16:00:18< celticminstrel> Well yes, it would be good to have a decent Lua API for GUI stuff.
20151013 16:00:40< fendrin> I guess I will have a look at how cegui is scripted.
20151013 16:00:52< fendrin> We might put some more easy to use layer above it.
20151013 16:04:30< celticminstrel> GUI toolkits often have their own event processing. I dunno if that would interfere with SDL's event processing.
20151013 16:04:57< celticminstrel> I imagine CEGUI could be set up to use SDL for event processing, though...
20151013 16:07:20< fendrin> celticminstrel: CEGUI supports SDL explicitely.
20151013 16:07:49< celticminstrel> Does it? I didn't see that mentioned anywhere, but if it does, I suppose that's good.
20151013 16:10:27< fendrin> celticminstrel: http://cegui.org.uk/wiki/Using_CEGUI_with_SDL_and_OpenGL
20151013 16:13:07< fendrin> celticminstrel: cegui tries to support everything which is commonly found in games. This includes sdl and lua for example. But also support for ogre3d.
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20151013 20:47:58< Aginor> I was asleep when the GUI tookit discussion happened, but I figured I'll weigh in anyway because it's something I've been looking at a bit
20151013 20:48:41< Aginor> there's no fundamental incompatability between SDL and Qt, but what is important to bear in mind is that Qt is more than just a GUI library
20151013 20:49:16< Aginor> If we go the Qt way we'll probably need to do more than to just rework the GUI aspect of it
20151013 20:50:57< Aginor> CEGUI is more lightweight, but I'm concerned about the upstream maintainers and community, I'm not sure it's a healthy project. I really don't think we can afford to adopt a system that may eventually lose support
20151013 20:51:35< Aginor> I do however think it's very sensible to rely on a 3rd party toolkit for these things.
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