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20151001 00:08:59< tullehar> anyone else having issues with 1.12.4?
20151001 00:09:16< tullehar> every time I download the installer it says it can't install?
20151001 00:10:01< tullehar> 1.12.2 works fine for me <.<
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20151001 15:00:50< nemo> So. maybe this has come up a few billion times before
20151001 15:01:16< nemo> But I get myself backed into a corner on a campaign and don't want to backtrack.  All I need to win is a lucky roll on a 50%-to-kill attack
20151001 15:01:40< nemo> But it takes like a dozen attempts to get that kill
20151001 15:01:45< nemo> that seemed awfully unlikely...
20151001 15:02:07< nemo> well. maybe not a dozen, probably more like 6-8 tries
20151001 15:02:13< nemo> but still pretty unlikely.
20151001 15:02:36< nemo> This has happened to me before, and I kinda wondered.  When calculating the spreads for damage for the fight
20151001 15:02:59< nemo> Does Wesnoth calculate the full range of possible results of each attack then display the bars for the results?
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20151001 15:03:31< nemo> Or, if I have a 25% chance of dying and he has a 50% chance of dying, is it taking into account the fact I might die on the first attack in that 50%, or is the 50% simply what would happen if I completed all my attacks?
20151001 15:24:43< celticminstrel> I think it accounts for the possibility that you could die partway through.
20151001 15:24:58< celticminstrel> But you have to remember that probabilities are just probabilities.
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20151001 15:36:40< zookeeper> yes, that's correct
20151001 15:37:12< zookeeper> the percentages are the "real" ones, as in they take all possibilities into account
20151001 15:37:16< nemo> kk
20151001 15:37:26< nemo> Guess I just failed a coin flip like 8 times then
20151001 15:38:30< zookeeper> probably
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20151001 16:29:20< nemo> So there's one annoying Wesnoth behaviour on mobile
20151001 16:29:32< nemo> screen keeps jumping back and forth during enemy turn while they are attacking
20151001 16:29:57< nemo> It doesn't focus on the action, it just slides up and down on the map while focused on whatever I was focused on before
20151001 16:30:03< nemo> I'm guessing it is due to small screen size
20151001 16:30:27< nemo> I'm not sure how to disable it.  Normally I want to focus on an enemy attack. The slide up/down is maybe related to the attack animation
20151001 16:34:48< zookeeper> well, on the desktop version there's the "skip AI moves" option in preferences
20151001 16:35:09< zookeeper> or maybe yours is a different issue
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20151001 16:43:12< nemo> zookeeper: yeah, I kinda like seeing the AI moves tho
20151001 16:43:21< nemo> I just wish it didn't jump the screen around w/o actually focusing on the move
20151001 16:43:27< nemo> and it seems to be particular to the attack animation
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20151001 16:44:25< zookeeper> you sure it's not just scrolling up and down because of... well, something you could affect? just a wild guess.
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20151001 16:53:24< celticminstrel> If it was desktop I'd suggest your mouse was outside the window, but I guess that's not a possibility here.
20151001 16:54:10< celticminstrel> That sounds like what happens if the mouse is outside the window when the game is attempting to scroll to the action.
20151001 16:54:36< celticminstrel> The mouse scrolling and the auto-scrolling try to override each other, and I think the mouse scrolling usually wins.
20151001 16:55:54< zookeeper> yeah
20151001 16:56:31< nemo> It's like it starts scrolling towards the attack, then moves back to where it was before
20151001 16:56:38< zookeeper> one of the advanced preferences controls that behavior in the desktop version, but i'd expect that to not be there in mobile versions
20151001 16:56:40< nemo> like maybe the scroll is too slow and the attack is already over and it snaps back
20151001 16:56:50< nemo> well. the mobile version is basically the desktop version
20151001 16:56:59< nemo> so if there's some advanced pref that skips scroll or makes it very very fast
20151001 16:57:31< zookeeper> "scroll when mouse outside window" or something along those lines is what it's named
20151001 16:58:02< nemo> hm
20151001 16:58:23< nemo> if that's the issue it's being buggy, 'cause I'm not touching the screen at this point.
20151001 16:58:28< nemo> I've just touched "end turn" w/ the spen
20151001 16:58:32< nemo> there should be no further mouse interaction
20151001 16:58:34< zookeeper> worth a try if it's there, although i can't see how it could consider the pointer to be outside the screen
20151001 16:58:36< nemo> but can't hurt
20151001 16:59:01< zookeeper> can you even scroll around by touching the edges of the screen, or is scrolling done only by dragging?
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20151001 17:01:50< nemo> I usually touch the minimap. Is faster. but lemme see
20151001 17:02:10< nemo> there's an option that controls how mouse works on mobile. I enabled the spen friendly option
20151001 17:03:14< nemo> yeah, touching edge of screen triggers scrolling
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20151001 17:08:20< zookeeper> right. so when you get the weird scrolling behavior, does touching the screen (other than the edges) stop it?
20151001 17:08:56< zookeeper> i haven't used the mobile versions so i'm just taking stabs in the dark here... :p
20151001 17:13:35< nemo> ah
20151001 17:13:42< nemo> will try
20151001 17:13:48< nemo> mobile version is pretty darn playable
20151001 17:13:51< nemo> w/ the spen anyway
20151001 17:13:56< nemo> and on thise note 4
20151001 17:14:00< nemo> maybe smaller screen, not so much
20151001 17:16:26< nemo> hm. I think so
20151001 17:21:08< nemo> yep. seems to
20151001 17:36:13< nemo> yeah. I get that quirk sometimes too if I touch to move, but I chose a location too close to edge of screen I think
20151001 17:36:35< nemo> It acts as if I'm still scrolling, so I get a hopping thing going on while the unit moves
20151001 17:36:57< nemo> eh. for a desktop app, still isn't bad
20151001 17:37:07< nemo> pretty much as fun as on desktop, and more convenient
20151001 17:37:24< nemo> turn based games are good on mobile. can drop it for a while then go back to it
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20151001 17:51:36< nemo> I guess one issue is the mobile code is an overlay too. it makes it hard to determine what should be getting a touch event.
20151001 17:51:48< nemo> the mobile buttons suffer a bit from that. not too serious tho
20151001 17:58:04< nemo> I guess one issue is the mobile code seems to be mostly overlays, so probably can't fix up too much this stuff, like making sure mouse is centred after certain actions
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