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20151104 00:29:30< aquileia> ai_python.hpp was removed in Wesnoth 1.4 due to CVE-2009-0367, I think it's time to remove the HAVE_PYTHON define from the vcproj...
20151104 00:36:41< aquileia> We also have a USE_GZIP define that isn't checked anywhere in src, any idea whether it's obsolete?
20151104 00:39:24< aquileia> ah, mordante removed it in accdbb5c0
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20151104 01:20:28< loonycyborg> aquileia: your diff thing still looks like black magic to me, didn't have time to study it properly yet :P
20151104 01:22:20< aquileia> loonycyborg: If you do, I have a newer version: http://pastebin.com/9ritGuHx
20151104 01:24:02< aquileia> WinPatch works properly, only scons integration is an issue now
20151104 01:26:14< aquileia> oh, I forgot to include "from subprocess import Popen, call, PIPE" in the paste
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20151104 01:31:28< aquileia> loonycyborg: I'll probably make a PR with my current progress (NSIS script works, other scons targets not broken, new targets inoperational)
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20151104 01:33:37< neverEnough> aquileia, siamo vicini di casa ;)
20151104 01:34:33< aeth> House neighbors?
20151104 01:34:52< neverEnough> well hope not
20151104 01:35:09< neverEnough> aeth one more italian here?
20151104 01:35:53< aeth> Italian American.
20151104 01:36:03< neverEnough> ah k
20151104 01:36:13< aeth> So I'm not fluent
20151104 01:36:15< neverEnough> u understand italian well to be expat :)
20151104 01:37:00< neverEnough> i wonder there are italians in this project, and glad
20151104 01:37:21< neverEnough> wasn't used to meet many of them around in the past
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20151104 01:38:40< aquileia> Isn't there an entire Italian forum, IIRC?
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20151104 01:41:32< neverEnough> no clue
20151104 01:41:49< neverEnough> i avoid to follow country-related communities
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20151104 01:42:23< neverEnough> cmq sono di ts
20151104 01:42:25< neverEnough> piacere
20151104 01:42:58< neverEnough> sry for the "unknown" talk in dev channel 
20151104 01:44:01< shadowm> Elvish_Huner is Italian too.
20151104 01:44:14< shadowm> *Elvish_Hunter
20151104 01:44:16< neverEnough> wow
20151104 01:44:37 * neverEnough wonders even more
20151104 01:46:25< shadowm> There are no other Italian devs AFAIK.
20151104 01:47:44< shadowm> neverEnough: You want to avoid changes like this: https://github.com/niegenug/wesnoth/commit/f9a4eb404cabf867a7e8860f790696a31e1ca170#diff-70ea5fd672426f873ca46d23594c8ccfR372
20151104 01:48:42< shadowm> You should always use `git diff` to review your changes before committing (or `git show -p` _after_ committing) to make sure everything is on-topic.
20151104 01:49:28< celticminstrel> I'm not seeing what's wrong with that commit.
20151104 01:49:38< celticminstrel> Except maybe the extra blank line.
20151104 01:49:52< shadowm> Line 372 in src/game_preferences.cpp is an empty line addition, yes.
20151104 01:50:17< neverEnough> ouch right
20151104 01:50:25< shadowm> It's not an issue per se, but we never insert padding at the end of a block.
20151104 01:50:54< shadowm> Also, this PR is missing the changelog entries.
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20151104 01:51:19< neverEnough> my fault, there was lots more things in that block including comments, when i got it to compile and run without issues then cleaned
20151104 01:52:31< neverEnough> i thought about changelog, but i'm always unsure about it. Writing things there looks to me like "HEY WATCH I DID IT", so in doubt i prefer do not
20151104 01:52:47< neverEnough> i guess i gotta get rid of this
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20151104 01:53:12< shadowm> The alternative is that no-one ever finds out that xyz thing was added/changed.
20151104 01:53:45< shadowm> Tested, looks good to go, just missing the changelog entries.
20151104 01:53:48< aquileia> shadowm: Thanks for the http://www.microsoft.com/Language/en-US/Default.aspx tip
20151104 01:54:31< shadowm> aquileia: Um, I'm sorry? I don't remember ever seeing that page before. :p
20151104 01:54:35< aquileia> I could rephrase most error messages to use MS' translations
20151104 01:55:40< aquileia> Didn't you tell me to use the standard terminology from there?
20151104 01:56:09< shadowm> I don't remember doing that at least.
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20151104 02:04:47< shadowm> aquileia: Reminder that I wanted you and gfgtdf to look at https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/pull/544 .
20151104 02:05:01< shadowm> *and/or
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20151104 02:19:10< aquileia> wedge009: Considering that you didn't backport the code to actually include the manifest, would you mind removing it from that commit again? After that, I'd merge.
20151104 02:21:11< shadowm> There are references to the manifest in the VC++ project files diff, actually.
20151104 02:21:36< shadowm> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/pull/544/files#diff-996a35df9227fcc904b081dd5221e7b0R77
20151104 02:22:16< shadowm> Also, as I said in my comment there, it's probably a bad idea.
20151104 02:22:26< aquileia> Oh, right, didn't see that line
20151104 02:24:15< aquileia> shadowm: Why do we have that requestedExecutionLevel node at all if it complicates multi-user installs?
20151104 02:25:31< aquileia> The installer no longer offers to start Wesnoth with its own privileges, after all
20151104 02:26:28< shadowm> How does it complicate them?
20151104 02:26:51< aquileia> as per your comment
20151104 02:27:23< shadowm> Didn't you remove the option to use user config and data in the install dir as I requested?
20151104 02:28:42< aquileia> I did, but std*.txt isn't affected by that, is it?
20151104 02:28:52< shadowm> I don't care about complicating the stdout.txt and stderr.txt situation because with SDL 2 we will have to figure out our own solution to that anyway.
20151104 02:29:05< shadowm> Furthermore, the existing solution (in SDL 1.2) has bugs.
20151104 02:29:32< shadowm> (Namely, https://gna.org/bugs/?22897 )
20151104 02:30:21< shadowm> Also, for a while it seemed like a Windows update broke UAC virtualization for people on any version (including 1.12.x).
20151104 02:30:50< shadowm> Ultimately, if what you are saying is "don't disable UAC virtualization because it's easier for us to use UAC virtualization" then there's a problem with you. :p
20151104 02:31:08< shadowm> It's a compatibility thing that exists to help with broken applications.
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20151104 02:31:45< shadowm> By explicitly recommending us to stick to UAC virtualization you are basically telling me "let's keep Wesnoth broken forever!".
20151104 02:33:10< aquileia> I only questioned disabling it, I didn't recommend actively using it
20151104 02:33:30< shadowm> Might as well disable it if we aren't going to use it.
20151104 02:34:10< shadowm> That way if for some reason we wind up writing into our install dir Windows will tell us to not do that instead of faking it using the virtual store tree.
20151104 02:34:31< aquileia> Point taken
20151104 02:35:27< aquileia> backwards compatibility between 1.12 and 1.13 is indeed less relevant than that
20151104 02:36:33< shadowm> We already broke backwards compatibility with the default user config+data dir choice on Windows.
20151104 02:38:05< shadowm> That guarantees that Wesnoth 1.14 will either use the correct user-controlled dir or use the correct user-controller dir no matter what (unless someone needs it to be otherwise, then they get to read documentation).
20151104 02:58:27< aquileia> shadowm: Is there a non-zero chance that we'll distribute patches via https compared to http?
20151104 02:59:30< aquileia> I'm not speaking about the installers for single patches here, it's about the potential auto-update function
20151104 03:00:36< shadowm> It's very small but certainly not ero.
20151104 03:01:31< aquileia> ok, then I'll use inetc instead of NSISdl
20151104 03:01:41< shadowm> The chances would increase if we had an active person able to deal with setting us up to use SNI.
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20151104 03:33:17< neverEnough> OK, now it SHOULD be fixed. Or not? O_O
20151104 03:33:36< neverEnough> (just frustrated how long i took to manage my git)
20151104 03:34:29< neverEnough> really the only way was to reset to previous commit and manually apply again mines ?
20151104 03:34:45< neverEnough> there must be something wrong that i don't understand
20151104 03:35:40< neverEnough> years ago i was confused with mercurial. But this is way worse
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20151104 03:38:42< celticminstrel> I guess I can't answer then.
20151104 03:55:06< wedge009> shadowm: aquileia: Reverted the manifest for the 1.12 branch.
20151104 03:56:13< aquileia> wedge009: Are you familiar with squashing commits?
20151104 03:56:38< wedge009> You want me to squash the last two?
20151104 03:57:55< aquileia> Would be nice (or even all three)
20151104 03:59:31< aquileia> Sorry for the extra work you had due to the manifest, I wasn't aware of the consequences for UAC virtualization
20151104 04:02:14< wedge009> It's fine, I'm still learning.
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20151104 04:03:01< wedge009> aquileia: All squished now.
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20151104 04:04:20< irker095> wesnoth: Wedge009 wesnoth:1.12 14ee4108dcec / projectfiles/VC9/ (7 files): Back-port settings from master http://git.io/vl7t4
20151104 04:04:20< irker095> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:1.12 22f46e3ddfe5 / projectfiles/VC9/ (7 files): Merge pull request #544 from Wedge009/MSVC_(1.12) http://git.io/vl7tB
20151104 04:09:47< aquileia> loonycyborg: PR 549
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20151104 04:12:27< aquileia> The translations would benefit from proof-reading: https://github.com/aquileia/wesnoth/commit/b2d0595#diff-70297a681b9c9c72164dccc5e1123a85R10
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20151104 04:35:33< shadowm> aquileia: Does this thing put translated text together in some way? "cannot be found."
20151104 04:36:22< shadowm> The Spanish translation looks correct except for the equivalent to that string, which is capitalized for some reason.
20151104 04:37:09< aquileia> The full string is $(LWesnoth) ${Version_M} $(LVersionErr) - "Battle for Wesnoth 1.12 cannot be found"
20151104 04:37:56< aquileia> La batalla por Wesnoth 1.12 no se encuentra.
20151104 04:38:03< aquileia> ok
20151104 04:38:09< aquileia> thanks!
20151104 04:38:27< shadowm> The problem with this kind of thing is that it may break horribly for some languages.
20151104 04:41:43< aquileia> I know, the grammar may not be compatible. Fortunately, we only have to support a few languages to get the vast majority of Windows downloads
20151104 04:49:07< aquileia> Because it's a total of 8 strings of which half are already in one of our textdomains, it's not really worth the effort to include them in our translation pipeline, I think
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20151104 09:25:56< Aginor> gfgtdf: your stack trace doesn't correspond with tip of the sdl2 branch. Are you sure you are up to date?
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20151104 12:42:56< no> hi
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20151104 12:43:19< Guest18075> hi
20151104 12:44:00< Guest18075> good Morning Sleepy heads
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20151104 12:46:52< Guest18075> i have a issue I need to know more about I am asking this area, because of what it involves
20151104 12:47:50< Guest18075> join // #wesnoth
20151104 12:48:56< Guest18075> sorry here is my question?? when do I need to be a ware of when converting some thing from a old version to the newer version
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20151104 12:52:37< iceiceice> Guest18075: it depends which versions you are talking about
20151104 12:52:45< iceiceice> there is no categorical answer
20151104 12:53:01< iceiceice> usually save games between releases are not compatible
20151104 12:53:18< Guest18075> here is what I want to convert, Units, traits and Abilities 
20151104 12:53:19< iceiceice> because if unit stats or the save game format changes inthe slightest hten all bets are off
20151104 12:53:36< iceiceice> are you going, 1.8 to 1.10?
20151104 12:53:39< iceiceice> 1.10 to 1.12?
20151104 12:53:42< iceiceice> 1.12 to 1.13?
20151104 12:54:22< Guest18075> Their is some in all versions, I am not sure which one to say.
20151104 12:54:44< iceiceice> what i would do is
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20151104 12:54:58< iceiceice> make sure you can see the console warnings
20151104 12:55:00< iceiceice> the logs
20151104 12:55:16< iceiceice> if you are in linux or mac that means, run wesnoth from the terminal
20151104 12:55:27< iceiceice> if you are in windows... its been too man years for me to see exactly
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20151104 12:55:49< iceiceice> and try to load stuff and see if it gives warnings
20151104 12:56:00< iceiceice> the only thing i can think of off the top of ym head is
20151104 12:56:08< iceiceice> either the traits or abilities format changed at some point
20151104 12:56:18< iceiceice> and tis not supposed to start with name of the thing anymore
20151104 12:56:33< iceiceice> its just supposed to begin wit the decriptio
20151104 12:56:39< iceiceice> that was a change made in wesnoth 1.12
20151104 12:56:50< iceiceice> thats probably the biggest thing i guess
20151104 12:56:59< iceiceice> also you should look at wesnoth wml lint
20151104 12:57:08< iceiceice> which is some kind of tool that warns you about problems
20151104 12:57:13< iceiceice> it is stand-alone and has a nice gui
20151104 12:57:30< iceiceice> anyways good mroning to you also
20151104 12:57:35 * iceiceice goes to make coffee
20151104 13:00:01< Guest18075> when I use wesnoth that is one thing that make me super mad about wesnoth is they don't update those few things.  is those things are not update ( Units, Traits and Abilites)  thanks Iceiceice for the info
20151104 13:04:04< Guest18075> thanks for the little help, i hope the best for me :(( later
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20151104 15:40:15< gfgtdf> Aginor: yes it is and i couldnt find any problems with the stacktrace
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20151104 16:14:26< zookeeper> Jetrel_bot, heard anything from lordbob since his last post? just wondering.
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20151104 19:26:29< zookeeper> unit new_unit(parsed_cfg, true);
20151104 19:26:40< zookeeper> what the heck is this "new_unit" thing and where do i find it?
20151104 19:26:45< zookeeper> all my search efforts come up with nothing
20151104 19:28:12< zookeeper> err. it's just the variable name, and it's a constructor call
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20151104 20:35:21< irker332> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:1.12 b2d7e9a1796c / / (21 files in 20 dirs): updated Portuguese translation http://git.io/vlxZh
20151104 20:38:08< irker332> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:1.12 45f9dd4b6e30 / po/ (28 files in 28 dirs): updated Japanese translation http://git.io/vlxcO
20151104 20:38:10< irker332> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:master 10e95a3dec32 / po/ (28 files in 28 dirs): updated Japanese translation http://git.io/vlxcs
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20151104 22:18:01< zookeeper> why are debug commands in synced_commands.cpp? aren't "synced commands" multiplayer stuff?
20151104 22:18:35< zookeeper> or are they for replays?
20151104 22:18:41< zookeeper> (or both)
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