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20151106 00:21:30< aquileia> shadowm, loonycyborg: Well, I don't think anybody besides me tested the patch.nsi, so we'll have to live without it another release (or hand it in later)
20151106 00:22:39< shadowm> Was I expected to do something? I don't know anything about the Windows packaging stuff, it's not my area.
20151106 00:23:14< shadowm> Also, is it really necessary to have this done in tandem with a regular release? I suspect not.
20151106 00:23:18< aquileia> shadowm: I pinged you because you're the release manager and you asked whether there were open issues
20151106 00:23:33< shadowm> Yeah, I did several weeks ago.
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20151106 00:26:41< shadowm> My question is, does it need to be done in tandem with a regular release? What's there to stop you from packaging and announcing this after the fact?
20151106 00:27:28< aquileia> Nothing, but it's extra work to alter the announcement, upload separately ect.
20151106 00:27:37< shadowm> It's essentially just another release platform like Debian, FreeBSD, etc.
20151106 00:35:01< irker753> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:1.12 f0aee5619534 / / (169 files in 29 dirs): pot and documentation update, no string changes http://git.io/v8LI4
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20151106 00:40:22< irker753> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:1.12 1ce2ee82e8d8 / Doxyfile changelog players_changelog src/wesconfig.h: Version 1.12.5 http://git.io/v8LLN
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20151106 00:51:47< irker753> wesnoth: shikadilord wesnoth: 1ce2ee82e8d8 tagged as 1.12.5
20151106 00:56:08< Jetrel_bot> zookeeper 's not here:  so, no, Lordbob hasn't gotten back to me recently - I think he's done a few recent bits for Argentum Age (Sirp's current card-game project).  This may be one of the first times where he's taken us at face value on the notion that we're not in a big rush, and he can make this a lower priority than immediate, very-professional stuff would be.
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20151106 01:05:06< shadowm> loonycyborg, ancestral: Email sent, it's time for you to do your magic.
20151106 01:07:01< irker753> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:1.12 437bd79dbb6e / Doxyfile changelog players_changelog src/wesconfig.h: Bump version http://git.io/v8LGu
20151106 01:07:27< shadowm> ancestral: Also, if you see this, there's something I need to talk to you about.
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20151106 01:18:01< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#7779 (1.12.5 - 1ce2ee8 : Ignacio R. Morelle): The build passed.
20151106 01:18:01< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/89560925
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20151106 02:35:25-!- shadowm changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: String freeze ACTIVE on 1.12 branch | 1.12.5 released, announcement coming whenever | Wesnoth Developers Channel | >>> Want to help? Go here: http://r.wesnoth.org/t42911 (and thanks!) <<< | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Bug tracker: http://bugs.wesnoth.org
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20151106 03:09:48< irker753> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 1aaa341e35d2 / data/tools/wmllint: wmllint: Ignore id in [trait] for unit id checks http://git.io/v8Lyc
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20151106 06:50:23< irker753> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master a63b5fa0c32a / players_changelog: Update players_changelog http://git.io/v8tDX
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20151106 07:30:10< shadowm> I beg of you people, please add your stuff not just to R_N, but also to the changelogs (gfgtdf).
20151106 07:31:08< shadowm> Do you have any idea how many puppies get kicked whenever I find out you've done otherwise?
20151106 07:31:43< shadowm> It makes me feel horrible, really.
20151106 07:42:10< celticminstrel> I generally just do the changelogs.
20151106 07:43:22< shadowm> You should do R_N too if it requires elaborating/is very important/breaks stuff.
20151106 07:44:02< celticminstrel> I don't recall any of the stuff I did fitting those criteria.
20151106 07:47:18< shadowm> The announcement draft is up: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=43193
20151106 07:47:42< shadowm> Wait a second.
20151106 07:48:25< shadowm> Oh, never mind, I thought a few lines had disappeared and they were right there.
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20151106 08:03:39< irker753> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:1.12 567d4ac9169f / changelog players_changelog: Update changelogs with missing items from RELEASE_NOTES http://git.io/v8qLq
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20151106 08:15:45< shadowm> Sucks that people playing single-player scenarios that use [allow_undo] in menu items that don't alter the gamestate at all get to pay the consequences. :\
20151106 08:16:53< shadowm> But I guess that can't be helped with our current model, not until we gain the ability to determine some day whether the gamestate was altered by a script.
20151106 08:19:17< shadowm> (There wouldn't happen to be a hidden elite-club-members-only mechanism to force [allow_undo] to have an effect in that context, would it?)
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20151106 09:05:21< zookeeper> Jetrel_bot, okay
20151106 09:06:14< Jetrel_bot> zookeeper :  so yeah, barring some unforeseen issue, I expect he's doing fine and will return his attention to us soon.
20151106 09:06:46< zookeeper> i don't mind, if anything it's good that he's not rushed it, so there's still some room for changes
20151106 09:14:05< zookeeper> shadowm, yeah that's a real bummer.
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20151106 10:29:59< loonycyborg> shadowm: 1.12.5 windows release uploaded
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20151106 14:11:45< gfgtdf> shadowm: the point is that is doesn't matter whether the menu item changes the gamestate, undoing that happened before menu items causes always OOS in 1.12.
20151106 14:11:53< gfgtdf> undoing moves*
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20151106 18:13:12< numberdance> Hello devs
20151106 18:13:39< numberdance> I saw your call for help on the site news
20151106 18:14:41< numberdance> Do you need any OOP programmers? or you use structured?
20151106 18:17:01< numberdance> is anybody there?
20151106 18:17:09< numberdance> hi?
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20151106 18:17:56< Soliton> what is structered?
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20151106 18:18:55< celticminstrel> C++, so OOP and templates.
20151106 18:19:03< celticminstrel> ^ numberdance 
20151106 18:19:06< numberdance> Procedure-oriented, C alike
20151106 18:19:36< celticminstrel> Maybe you meant to say "structures", ie structs.
20151106 18:19:55< numberdance> IDK, C++ allows structs programming
20151106 18:20:32< numberdance> What do you need exactly?
20151106 18:21:51< Soliton> people interested in working on the wesnoth project in whatever capacity they like.
20151106 18:21:54< celticminstrel> C++ doesn't really have structs except insofar as it's compatible with C.
20151106 18:22:33< numberdance> I'm a Java dev, but I've handled C++ OOP before
20151106 18:23:04< celticminstrel> Wesnoth has tons of classes.
20151106 18:24:41< numberdance> Inside the core, what do you need? Some mantainance or new features?
20151106 18:25:24< celticminstrel> Uhh, I'm not the best person to answer this, but... I think the GUI2 system is in need of some new features.
20151106 18:25:39< celticminstrel> It's heavily template-based though, so might be confusing for someone used to Java.
20151106 18:26:05< celticminstrel> (Actually, it's confusing for me, and I'm used to C++.)
20151106 18:26:41< numberdance> By templates you mean prototype-like objects?
20151106 18:26:47< celticminstrel> I mean templates.
20151106 18:27:05< celticminstrel> The closest Java equivalent is generics, but it's not really very close at all.
20151106 18:28:16< numberdance> Well, generics are objects which can be initialized with a certain data type. Something like that?
20151106 18:28:23< celticminstrel> Not really.
20151106 18:28:35< celticminstrel> But maybe sort of.
20151106 18:29:59< celticminstrel> C++ templates can be used to do exactly what Java generics do, plus a lot more.
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20151106 18:31:52< numberdance> I'm looking at it right now and it's very similar.
20151106 18:32:53< numberdance> Whom I'ld have to speak in order to know more about the core and it's needs?
20151106 18:33:31< numberdance> David White?
20151106 18:34:36< zookeeper> he's not actively involved anymore. we have a bunch of people here who know different parts of the engine.
20151106 18:35:19< celticminstrel> I'd try shadowm first, or mattsc if you're interested in AI.
20151106 18:37:28< numberdance> thx
20151106 18:37:35< zookeeper> the interface system is one of the areas in need of work, but i'm pretty sure it'll be a lot of work
20151106 18:37:50< zookeeper> (GUI2 that is)
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