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20151107 00:24:28< shadowm> Ivanovic: Could you upload the SHA256 sum of the OpenPandora package to f.w.o whenever you build and upload the package? Thanks!
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20151107 01:08:04< Ivanovic> shadowm: uhm, so far i never created an sha256 sum...
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20151107 01:50:21< shadowm> Ivanovic: sha256sum instead of md5sum or sha1sum, it's not that different.
20151107 01:55:30< Ivanovic> i never created a checksum for those packages since there was basically no need
20151107 01:55:39< Ivanovic> reason: sf.net is only a backup mirror
20151107 01:55:52< Ivanovic> the "real" deal is the download from repo.openpandora.org
20151107 01:56:45< shadowm> Okay, this isn't really explained anywhere so I didn't know.
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20151107 04:59:19< ancestral> shadowm, mattsc, celticminstrel, standyourground: I have Saturday off, and I will try my damnedest to have a Mac binary built by end of day
20151107 05:01:22< shadowm> So many highlights.
20151107 05:01:33< shadowm> ancestral: Do you know how to use SSH?
20151107 05:01:44< ancestral> Yes
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20151107 05:21:13< shadowm> ancestral: You should now be able to upload to files.wesnoth.org. I left a symbolic link to the files.w.o docroot as ~/files.w.o in your home dir.
20151107 05:22:00< ancestral> Cool
20151107 05:23:12< shadowm> In case of any problems just poke me and I'll try to get back to you ASAP.
20151107 05:23:32< ancestral> I will if I run into problems. Hopefully not! :)
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20151107 06:53:40< shadowm> celmin|sleep: LuaWML:Units is missing {{DevFeature1.13|2}} for the unit methods list at the beginning, I believe: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/LuaWML:Units
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20151107 08:47:32< aquileia> shadowm: Mass-spammer on tthe forums, can't find a ban button (only warning)
20151107 08:50:14< aquileia> Thanks to whoever took care of him
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20151107 09:09:55< irker330> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:1.12 25349b6842f2 / / (6 files in 5 dirs): updated Galician translation http://git.io/v8n5m
20151107 09:10:20< Ivanovic> shadowm: looks like 1 day grace period between "submit to ivanovic until" and "i am tagging now" would have been better
20151107 09:10:41< Ivanovic> considering that just yesterday and today i received 3 updates that I could not commit before your tagging of 1.12.5
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20151107 09:18:13< shadowm> FTR the topic said November 6 00:00 UTC for a whole week.
20151107 09:23:36< shadowm> The updates you received *after* November 6 00:00 UTC shouldn't count, only those that you received before and couldn't commit in time.
20151107 09:23:58< shadowm> Guess next time I'll make the string-freeze period 8 days instead of 7 days and include the +7d 00:00 UTC limit in the ML announcement then.
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20151107 11:21:37< irker330> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 961463e55547 / images/icons/alignments/ (alignment_lawful_30.png alignment_neutral_30.png): Tweaked design of Lawful and Neutral alignment icons http://git.io/v8csB
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20151107 12:06:07< benjam> hi
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20151107 16:24:25< zookeeper> elias, so is it possible to use tools/unit_tree to generate a unit tree from unit .cfg's in a given directory?
20151107 16:25:11< elias> don't think so
20151107 16:25:38< elias> it would be possible to add that of course
20151107 16:27:12< elias> well, in theory it's possible if you manage to set wesnoth's addons path so it thinks those .cfgs belong to some addon
20151107 16:28:02< elias> all WML parsing is done using the actual wesnoth exe, so it's up to the C++ wesnoth to find .cfg files
20151107 16:28:55< zookeeper> right. i'm just trying to figure out what the best way is of generating a nifty unit tree of the new desert elves for posting on the forums and such. i guess i could shove them into a fake add-on for that, though.
20151107 16:29:21< zookeeper> second question: what in that dir do i want to use and how?
20151107 16:29:29< zookeeper> i haven't seen any documentation anywhere
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20151107 17:57:58< INSANU> i got some years with c# on my back, but im a bit new with c++, is there any way i can help with develop?
20151107 17:58:01< INSANU> =)
20151107 18:02:09< celmin|sleep> C# isn't really much like C++, but maybe.
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20151107 19:46:57< Necrosporus> INSANU, there is WML also
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20151107 21:01:32< elias> zookeeper: sorry, had to leave earlier
20151107 21:03:33< elias> zookeeper: the config dir is just passed on to the wesnoth.exe
20151107 21:04:00< elias> i don't have a wesnoth executable around here to check
20151107 21:04:09< elias> but I think it's --config and it normally points to ~/.wesnoth or something
20151107 21:04:36< elias> so instead make some temp folder like temp_config... then I think it needs to be temp_config/addons/addon_folder
20151107 21:04:43< elias> and inside addon_folder there is a _main.cfg
20151107 21:05:09< elias> then put all your units .cfg into a folder temp_config_addons_addon_folder/units and have a line "{units}" inside the _main.cfg
20151107 21:05:16< elias> but my WML is a bit rusty at this point
20151107 21:15:28< elias> heh, so I thought let me quickly compile wesnoth and double check... 10 minutes later my poor t440s is still spinning its fan at max and .cpp files scroll by :P
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20151107 21:39:13< zookeeper> elias, okay... but that doesn't tell me what to run
20151107 21:42:35< zookeeper> i've tried to run overview.py but that just gives me some error
20151107 21:43:57< elias> data/tools/wmlunits
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20151107 21:45:06< zookeeper> oh, right. never even considered that
20151107 21:45:27< zookeeper> is it safe to just try that, or might it make a mess of things?
20151107 21:45:53< elias> it won't write outside the folder you specify with -o
20151107 21:46:09< elias> so as long as you point that to a new empty folder it should be safe
20151107 21:46:17< zookeeper> okay...
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20151107 21:46:26< zookeeper>   File "wmlunits", line 13, in <module>
20151107 21:46:26< zookeeper>     import sys, os, glob, shutil, urllib.request, urllib.error, urllib.parse, argparse, traceback
20151107 21:46:26< zookeeper> ImportError: No module named request
20151107 21:46:35< elias> needs python3
20151107 21:46:43< zookeeper> right
20151107 21:46:48< elias> hm, let me check...
20151107 21:47:20< elias> yeah
20151107 21:47:36< zookeeper> well, with python3 i get ImportError: No module named 'yaml'
20151107 21:48:02< elias> need the python3-yaml module
20151107 21:48:27< elias> sudo apt-get install python3-yaml in something debian/ubuntu based
20151107 21:50:23< zookeeper> well, the windows pyyaml installer craps out
20151107 21:50:42< zookeeper> i guess i'll just try dropping in the files somewhere...
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20151107 21:52:09< zookeeper> no, wait, i'm not
20151107 21:52:10< elias> ohh, you're on Windows, hm
20151107 21:53:10< elias> yaml is the only Python module it uses, so if you can figure that out chances are it will work
20151107 21:53:42< elias> could have done this easily without yaml, but well... :P
20151107 21:54:02< zookeeper> so what do you think, if i'm offered the choice of an installer (which craps out) and a source archive, can i just drop in the latter at someplace and have it work?
20151107 21:55:42< elias> hard to say, in Linux there's a file _yaml.cpython-34m-x86_64-linux-gnu.so
20151107 21:55:58< elias> so I assume that has to be a .dll under Windows, which won't be included in a source only version
20151107 21:56:42< zookeeper> umm, i thought python libs are just .py* files
20151107 21:57:15< elias> ah, yes, I think they rename any xyz.dll into xyz.pyd under Windows
20151107 21:57:25< elias> it will still be a binary file :P
20151107 21:58:37< elias> "both pure-Python and fast LibYAML-based parsers and emitters. "
20151107 21:58:59< elias> so I think the "fast" one is optional and copying might indeed work
20151107 21:59:05< elias> if you can figure out where to copy it to
20151107 21:59:19< zookeeper> i guess i give up, i don't want to fight python because of this
20151107 21:59:45< zookeeper> in worst case i can upload a dummy add-on, grab the output when it's up, then delete add-on
20151107 21:59:49< elias> yeah, I'd say if the installer fails, no point going on
20151107 22:00:16< zookeeper> it fails because of something i could fix but which could then fix other stuff
20151107 22:00:28< zookeeper> err, which could then _break_ other stuff, i mean :p
20151107 22:00:36< elias> yeah
20151107 22:01:08< elias> if you want you can send the the addon and I run it here
20151107 22:01:13< elias> *send me
20151107 22:01:31< zookeeper> well that'd work too, if you don't mind
20151107 22:02:20< elias> just means I need to figure out why i still have no wesnoth executable
20151107 22:02:51< zookeeper> well, i wouldn't be doing that now anyway, since i'm probably still a few days away from having everything ready for it :P
20151107 22:03:26< elias> ah, ok
20151107 22:03:50< zookeeper> any idea how often the script is run to generate u.w.o? once a day, after every add-on upload, something else?
20151107 22:03:57< elias> once a week
20151107 22:04:11< elias> stable on Thursday and master on Friday I believe
20151107 22:04:12< zookeeper> oh... okay, i won't consider the dummy add-on method in that case :P
20151107 22:10:10< celticminstrel> If you have a source archive there might be a setup.py that can be run to install it?
20151107 22:11:00< celticminstrel> But, if you have .py files, copying them into the same folder with wmlunits should also work.
20151107 22:11:18< celticminstrel> Or rather, into a "yaml" folder there.
20151107 22:11:48< celticminstrel> Assuming it's set up with typical module folder structure with __init__.py
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20151107 22:30:56< neverEnough> what do u think about  https://gna.org/bugs/?24041 and https://gna.org/bugs/?24042 ? 
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20151107 22:36:44< zookeeper> neverEnough, sounds reasonable, but... if timeouts are so long that people are inclined to use a ping to check if someone's still there, maybe the timeouts just need to be shorter?
20151107 22:37:35< zookeeper> i mean, if the timeout is X seconds and it's just so long that in practise you know someone's disconnected if they don't respond to ping in Y seconds, then surely timeout should be Y instead of X?
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20151107 22:49:22< neverEnough> zookeeper, atm i'm not sure of that code nor i use ping timeout feature (so more opinions may be good). I can tell just that:
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20151107 22:49:57< neverEnough> 1) ping timeout in preferences is by default set to 0 (=disabled). So 99% of the people aren't gathered by it
20151107 22:51:08< neverEnough> 2) i remember years ago i was tryin different settings, i remember i put there some value (dunno, maybe 5 secs). I remember i suffered from random disconnections from server so much that i definitely removed it (back to 0)
20151107 22:51:46< zookeeper> ah, i didn't remember there's a preference for it. isn't that just a local thing though, as in disconnect if you aren't getting through to the server in X seconds?
20151107 22:51:50< elias> zookeeper: ok, I got it compiled, so I can run it here now, can't guarantee I will be around of course
20151107 22:52:22< zookeeper> elias, well if you usually respond in 24 hours or less, that's good enough for me
20151107 22:53:12< zookeeper> or actually it can be more than that :p
20151107 22:53:17< neverEnough> zookeeper, i'm not sure i understand what u mean
20151107 22:53:46< neverEnough> as far user is concerned, ping timeout is a local setting
20151107 22:55:50< neverEnough> i think it works like "client pings the server; the server doesnt answer in time; client turns as disconnected (back to start page)
20151107 22:55:54< zookeeper> it is. we weren't originally talking about ping timeouts, but tcp timeouts or whatever
20151107 22:56:06< neverEnough> oh
20151107 22:56:32< zookeeper> your proposed ping command would be a workaround for the tcp timeout being too long
20151107 22:56:38< neverEnough> ok
20151107 22:56:51< zookeeper> that's what i was originally saying
20151107 22:57:29< gfgtdf> zookeeper: afaik the server sends ping wml packages to the clients ([ping][/ping]) but i dont know exactly how it works.
20151107 22:58:16< gfgtdf> zookeeper: no wait, ping is an attribute so sing=
20151107 22:58:19< gfgtdf> ping
20151107 22:58:23< neverEnough> i can tell you that server isn't 100% reliable, sometimes it suffer for rng lags, and this may be reason for random disconnections when ping timeout in preferences is set to some values
20151107 22:59:07< zookeeper> gfgtdf, yeah, i don't really know the specifics, so when i say "tcp timeout" i just mean the maximum time it takes for a dropped client to be noticed
20151107 22:59:27< neverEnough> dunno if there is some checks about client-to-client ping for ingame tricks
20151107 23:02:26< neverEnough> i think.. if tcp timeout is just too long, then it would be worth a try to see what happens to the game. Are you sure the game dynamics will handle it as a voluntary leave (and change host, or remove player from it) ?
20151107 23:03:02< neverEnough> if not, then there is something to work on. And maybe lower the timeout
20151107 23:03:30< neverEnough> if the wait is endless, then the game just don't handle the leave correctly
20151107 23:04:03< neverEnough> makes sense?
20151107 23:11:05< zookeeper> well if someone's client just crashes for instance, then yes the server does timeout them, make another player the new host and let them decide what to do
20151107 23:11:10< zookeeper> if that's what you were asking
20151107 23:12:40< neverEnough> ah ok, i never seen it in any game, just long long long wait
20151107 23:12:57< neverEnough> since it is coded then it's just about timeout value
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