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20151109 01:28:19< neverEnough> noob question (not anyhow polemic):
20151109 01:28:44< neverEnough>  * Definitions for the interface to Wesnoth Markup Language (WML).
20151109 01:28:48< neverEnough> * All configuration files are stored in this format, and data is sent across
20151109 01:28:48< neverEnough>  * the network in this format.  It is thus used extensively throughout the
20151109 01:28:48< neverEnough>  * game.
20151109 01:28:48< neverEnough>  */
20151109 01:28:57< neverEnough> just, why?
20151109 01:29:38< neverEnough> wml must be great for maps. But why used as data transport?
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20151109 01:31:08< shadowm> Probably no reason in particular, just the fact that the game already had the working WML implementation when someone decided to add networking support.
20151109 01:33:39< celticminstrel> WML isn't use for maps.
20151109 01:34:02< neverEnough> hah gotcha :) that is LUA iirc
20151109 01:34:21< shadowm> Lua is not an acronym and it's not used for maps either.
20151109 01:34:33 * neverEnough blushes
20151109 01:34:40< shadowm> Although I suspect you didn't literally mean maps as in terrain maps.
20151109 01:34:48< celticminstrel> No, maps are just a comma-separated list of terrain codes.
20151109 01:34:49< neverEnough> nvm i'm not involved into maps :P
20151109 01:34:59< celticminstrel> But yeah, maybe he actually meant scenarios, which are WML.
20151109 01:35:13< neverEnough> yep, campaigns, i mean things that happen
20151109 01:35:35< neverEnough> so i got it 50% at least :P
20151109 01:35:59< shadowm> Campaigns are collections of scenarios, and scenarios use at least one map each.
20151109 01:36:30 * neverEnough gotta make some uni exams about that topic
20151109 01:36:55< neverEnough> ok, anyway my curiosity was satisfied, thx
20151109 01:38:17< neverEnough> just as side note, i play it since hmm 5 years or so, mostly on isars, auction-X, and some rpgs (Bob's Era). Completed some campaigns. Not much more :P
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20151109 01:51:40< neverEnough> if i get it correctly, the whole game list is sent via a single wml item
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20151109 02:56:01< ancestral> Alright, I’ll begin an upload shortly
20151109 02:56:32< ancestral> Mac binary coming in about 400MB, 7 MB more than 1.12.4
20151109 02:56:36< celticminstrel> By the way, do you use XCode, scons, or CMAke for that?
20151109 02:56:46< ancestral> For what?
20151109 02:56:52< celticminstrel> Building Mac releases.
20151109 02:57:05< ancestral> Xcode for building, scons translations for the translations
20151109 02:57:12< celticminstrel> I see.
20151109 02:57:22< mattsc> ancestral: Hi — I am traveling again.  I do have Internet access a good part of the time, but I don’t know if I’ll have the bandwidth to download that big a file.
20151109 02:57:22< ancestral> Probably I/someone could create an easy script to automate the translations
20151109 02:57:30< ancestral> mattsc: Hi!
20151109 02:57:48< ancestral> I just finished making it. The size is 400.2 MB.
20151109 02:58:06< celticminstrel> So you use the same library package as developers?
20151109 02:58:10< ancestral> celticminstrel: Would you be able to test my binary?
20151109 02:58:21< celticminstrel> Eh... I suppose I could.
20151109 02:58:22< ancestral> Assuming you have a Mac?
20151109 02:58:34< ancestral> You do, right
20151109 02:58:41< mattsc> ancestral: yeah, that’s a bit much for most free wifi networks …
20151109 02:58:44< ancestral> More of a “do you right now” question
20151109 02:58:52< ancestral> mattsc: No problem!
20151109 02:59:03< celticminstrel> I only ever IRC from OSX or iOS.
20151109 02:59:05< mattsc> ancestral: I can try though
20151109 02:59:16< ancestral> I’ll put it on my personal server, see if it’s faster than sf
20151109 02:59:25< ancestral> (Then I’ll upload it to sf if it’s good)
20151109 03:00:12< ancestral> 11 minutes to upload
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20151109 03:11:31< ancestral> celticminstrel, mattsc: http://mproud.com/wesnoth/Wesnoth_1.12.5.dmg
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20151109 03:32:20< mattsc> ancestral: The download was much faster than I expected and it all seems to be working for me.  Yay!
20151109 03:32:39< ancestral> Excellent
20151109 03:33:15< ancestral> Alright, I’ll generate the sha and upload here in a short while
20151109 03:33:53< ancestral> I’m relieved things are working. (/me has been sicker than a dog this weekend)
20151109 03:37:22< vultraz> D: 
20151109 03:37:49< celticminstrel> Oh, I got distracted and forgot... sorry.
20151109 03:38:09< celticminstrel> I don't really know what I'd do to test it, anyway... just launch it up? Maybe try starting a game?
20151109 03:39:18< ancestral> Yeah, just open it and start a game
20151109 03:39:22< ancestral> That should be fine
20151109 03:40:10< ancestral> (I suppose, ideally there would be a testing suite that would automate, save images, record expected values, report if there’s a crash…)
20151109 03:40:33< ancestral> But I’m not getting paid to do all that… and it’s a small update anyway :)
20151109 03:40:52< mattsc> ancestral: sorry to hear you are sick!  Thanks for getting it done anyway.
20151109 03:40:52< celticminstrel> My browser is currently estimating 1hr. Hopefully that's just a false alarm.
20151109 03:40:58< ancestral> Oog
20151109 03:41:06< ancestral> mattsc: No problem
20151109 03:41:26< ancestral> I’m concerned about 1.13 and El Capitan
20151109 03:41:34< ancestral> But fight another battle another day
20151109 03:42:08< mattsc> yeah
20151109 03:42:31< mattsc> I haven’t upgraded yet.  I usually wait a couple months before I do so when a ne major version comes out.
20151109 03:44:56< celticminstrel> I haven't updated my Windows either.
20151109 03:45:12< celticminstrel> Though that's more because I'm worried Win10 won't have the WinXP compatibility mode anymore.
20151109 03:46:06< vultraz> winxp compatibility mode?
20151109 03:46:31< celticminstrel> Well, it's actually just Virtual PC, though...
20151109 03:46:42< celticminstrel> More or less.
20151109 03:48:35< celticminstrel> Ah, the download finished.
20151109 03:48:43< celticminstrel> Stupid Firefox.
20151109 03:49:31< celticminstrel> Oh wait.
20151109 03:49:38< celticminstrel> It didn't finish. It failed.
20151109 03:50:53< celticminstrel> I'm not sure, but it seems like somehow clicking the "retry" button actually means resuming where it left off.
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20151109 03:55:29< celticminstrel> It's still estimating an hour to download though.
20151109 03:57:29< ancestral> celticminstrel: No problem, if it opened for mattsc then we’re likely fine
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20151109 04:07:37< celticminstrel> Though, it's probably best to test on a non-dev computer.
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20151109 04:10:05< celticminstrel> Now it's estimating 38 minutes.
20151109 04:10:42< celticminstrel> Hm, maybe its estimate is actually somewhat accurate.
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20151109 06:38:20< shadowm> 03:37:02 <shadowm> x,y=$x1,$y1 [and] type=Lich [or] [not] race=bats,undead [/not] [/or] [/and] [or] id=Mal Keshar [/or]
20151109 06:38:23< shadowm> 03:37:08 <shadowm> Matches Mal Keshar every time.
20151109 06:38:26< shadowm> 03:37:33 <shadowm> Looks like conditional groups in SUFs aren't short-circuiting.
20151109 06:38:37< shadowm> Perhaps someone here might now what I'm doing wrong?
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20151109 07:14:46< zookeeper> shadowm, assuming i assume what short-circuiting means in this context, yes
20151109 07:14:54< zookeeper> +correctly
20151109 07:15:16< zookeeper> and if so, then i'm not sure why they should short-circuit either
20151109 07:16:13< Aginor> 'lo
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20151109 07:19:44< shadowm> In C++ and several other languages, in `expr1 && expr2`, expr2 doesn't get evaluated if expr1 is false. In `expr3 || expr4`, expr4 doesn't get evaluated if expr3 is true.
20151109 07:20:06< shadowm> So why should they? Because it's what most people are used to.
20151109 07:21:08< shadowm> Is there any way to only match id=Mal Keshar in that SUF if the unit at x,y=$x1,$y1 is an undead unit or bat, and isn't a Lich, instead of matching him unconditionally all the time?
20151109 07:21:42< shadowm> I need this for [message] actions where I don't want bats or random undead doing the talking.
20151109 07:22:09 * zookeeper looks
20151109 07:23:36< shadowm> The idea here is obviously to not have to do full branching logic with [if] or [show_if].
20151109 07:25:39< zookeeper> i can't wrap my mind around what you're trying to do
20151109 07:27:01< zookeeper> why can't you just have x,y=$x1,$y1 [not] <units who don't qualify> [/not]?
20151109 07:28:02< zookeeper> i'm short-circuiting at that because i can't rule it out
20151109 07:28:29< shadowm> Because I want the message to be shown? :|
20151109 07:29:07< vultraz> what about x,y [or] [not]
20151109 07:29:10< shadowm> Which means that there has to be a fallback unit that should only be matched if all other files fail.
20151109 07:29:14< shadowm> filters.
20151109 07:29:15< zookeeper> oh, right. that's a good reason.
20151109 07:32:08< zookeeper> so what's the point of type=Lich? is the order of preference (unit at x,y if it's not bat or undead)->(unit at x,y if it's undead but a lich)->(unit at x,y if it's undead but not a lich but mal keshar)?
20151109 07:34:11< zookeeper> this wouldn't do it? x,y=$x1,$y1 [and] type=Lich [or] [not] race=bats,undead [/not] [/or] [or] id=Mal Keshar [/or] [/and]
20151109 07:36:39< shadowm> "cannot show message"
20151109 07:37:24< zookeeper> right, of course
20151109 07:37:27< zookeeper> silly me
20151109 07:39:22< zookeeper> if you're still accepting what are more or less guesses:
20151109 07:39:22< zookeeper> [and] x,y=$x1,$y1 [and] type=Lich [or] [not] race=bats,undead [/not] [/or] [/and] [/and] [or] id=Mal Keshar [/or]
20151109 07:40:05< zookeeper> like, i don't really know how these things interact with each other as siblings
20151109 07:41:07< shadowm> Matches Mal Keshar instead non-undead at x1,y1.
20151109 07:41:13< shadowm> *of non
20151109 07:41:33< shadowm> And instead of a Lich at x1,y1 as well.
20151109 07:45:23< vultraz> x,y=$x1,$y1 [or] type=Lich [not] race=bats,undead [/not] [/or] [or] id=Mal Keshar [/or]?
20151109 07:48:09< zookeeper> if that doesn't work, might be worth a try to go through [filter_side] [has_unit], like this...
20151109 07:49:04< zookeeper> x,y=$x1,$y1 [not] race=bats,undead [/not] [not] id=Mal Keshar [/not] [or] id=Mal Keshar [filter_side] side=1 [has_unit] x,y=$x1,$y1 [not] race=bats,undead [/not] [/has_unit] [/filter_side] [/or]
20151109 07:49:19< zookeeper> (lich filter removed for clarity)
20151109 07:49:45< zookeeper> or... something along those lines, i probably messed up something in that one
20151109 07:52:02< zookeeper> i guess that doesn't actually make sense
20151109 07:54:03< Necrosporus> What are you doing with Mal Keshar?
20151109 07:54:14< Necrosporus> Is it DiD or smth else?
20151109 07:58:22< vultraz> something else
20151109 08:07:10< Aginor> gfgtdf: I am really struggling to reproduce your crash. The behaviour your're reporting is exactly the behaviour I saw before commit https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/da98c62d4fd7ec0ddac324bd6b821fb912865bb3 . Would you be able to help me out with reproducing the crash on tip of sdl2 branch and provide me with a full stack trace again? I'd also expect it if you could provide me with checks to see if src->pixels and dst->pixels map to valid
20151109 08:11:35< zookeeper> shadowm, i give up, i don't think you can really make fallbacks (which only activate when appropriate) with SUF's alone, at least not without making it obnoxiously complicated
20151109 08:14:20< shadowm> Yeah, I suppose I'll stick to plan B then.
20151109 08:16:16< zookeeper> i still think you could probably do it with sufficient use of [filter_side], but... eh...
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20151109 08:24:53< zookeeper> or, i could give it another shot, i think how it should be done now
20151109 08:24:58< zookeeper> shadowm, still interested? :P
20151109 08:27:30< shadowm> Only if the syntax isn't more complex than this: https://gist.github.com/shikadilord/6f3c8e0f3ad38ecdc668#file-foo-patch-L101
20151109 08:28:25< zookeeper> well it's not more complex than the lua code, but surely more complex than the WML it enables :P
20151109 08:29:41< vultraz> interesting
20151109 08:29:51< vultraz> you reimplemented [message]
20151109 08:30:19< vultraz>  i guess pure-wml [if]s would be very messy
20151109 08:30:27< shadowm> No, I didn't reimplement [message], I extended it.
20151109 08:35:24< zookeeper> [and] x,y=$x1,$y1 [and] type=Lich [or] [not] race=bats,undead [/not] [/or] [/and] [not] id=Mal Keshar [/not] [/and]
20151109 08:35:24< zookeeper> [or] id=Mal Keshar [filter_side] side=1 [has_unit] x,y=$x1,$y1 [not] type=Lich [/not] race=bats,undead [/has_unit] [/filter_side] [/or]
20151109 08:35:44< zookeeper> obviously no guarantees... :>
20151109 08:37:11< vultraz> I hope your extending won't have any problems in 1.13
20151109 08:37:18< zookeeper> oh, add [not] id=Mal Keshar [/not] to that [has_unit]
20151109 08:38:03< shadowm> :|
20151109 08:38:17< celticminstrel> Short-circuiting or not shouldn't affect the outcome when there's no side-effects...
20151109 08:38:32< celticminstrel> Though this is filters, so maybe that doesn't apply.
20151109 08:38:53< celticminstrel> Or it depends on whether it's being used to find or match...
20151109 08:39:29< celticminstrel> Of course, if the goal is to find a unit matching the filter, short-circuiting is impossible, right?
20151109 08:40:20< celticminstrel> Oh, actually, you could short-circuit [or], but not [and]/[not].
20151109 08:40:44< shadowm> zookeeper: It works... unless the unit at x,y=$x1,$y1 is Mal Keshar, in which case it "cannot show message".
20151109 08:41:02< shadowm> Also, it's literally unreadable code.
20151109 08:41:52< zookeeper> right, that first [not] id=Mal Keshar [/not] needs to be removed i think
20151109 08:42:09< shadowm> What does that [filter_side] even do? It's just telling it side=1 in a roundabout way.
20151109 08:42:11< celticminstrel> vultraz: Extending [message] shouldn't cause any problems. In fact, even before it was ported to Lua, part of the functionality was already implemented by extending it via Lua.
20151109 08:42:32< celticminstrel> I don't actually understand what shadowm's problem is.
20151109 08:42:52 * celticminstrel checks the gist.
20151109 08:42:58< shadowm> Did you fix LuaWML:Units?
20151109 08:43:28< celticminstrel> If you mean the missing dev-tag, then yes.
20151109 08:43:33< shadowm> Looks like you did and I somehow missed the response.
20151109 08:43:49< celticminstrel> I don't remember if I responded in here.
20151109 08:44:05< zookeeper> shadowm, it's telling it to only use mal keshar if there's a bat etc at x1,y1
20151109 08:44:15< shadowm> zookeeper: The reasonable course of action in this case is to admit that we're missing a feature and that WML is hopelessly broken.
20151109 08:44:38< zookeeper> noooooo...
20151109 08:44:42< vultraz> everyone knows this
20151109 08:44:58< celticminstrel> What exactly is the problem here? I'm confused.
20151109 08:45:06< shadowm> Still cannot show message if the unit is Mal Keshar.
20151109 08:45:28< shadowm> I mean seriously, even if it worked it's not a maintainable solution.
20151109 08:45:51< shadowm> I've seen all kinds of horrible hacks in WML but this takes the cake.
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20151109 08:46:19< shadowm> So yeah, thanks for the help, but I'm sticking to plan B.
20151109 08:46:21< celticminstrel> Your minisuf has both speaker and id.
20151109 08:46:33< celticminstrel> Which is redundant since speaker is a synonym for id.
20151109 08:46:38< zookeeper> shadowm, oh i'm just mainly doing this out of curiosity now
20151109 08:46:40< zookeeper> i agree it's horrible
20151109 08:46:52< celticminstrel> But that's probably not the issue.
20151109 08:46:55< zookeeper> [and] x,y=$x1,$y1 [and] type=Lich [or] [not] race=bats,undead [/not] [/or] [/and] [/and] should definitely match mal keshar as long as he's actually undead
20151109 08:47:06< zookeeper> err
20151109 08:47:07< shadowm> celticminstrel: It's not redudant, because if one is missing then it's nil.
20151109 08:47:12< zookeeper> [not] race=bats,undead [/not]
20151109 08:47:17< zookeeper> i guess that excludes him
20151109 08:47:36< celticminstrel> It's hard to parse that all on one line.
20151109 08:48:23< zookeeper> [and] x,y=$x1,$y1 [and] type=Lich [or] id=Mal Keshar [/or] [or] [not] race=bats,undead [/not] [/or] [/and] [/and]
20151109 08:48:23< zookeeper> [or] id=Mal Keshar [filter_side] side=1 [has_unit] x,y=$x1,$y1 race=bats,undead [not] id=Mal Keshar [/not] [not] type=Lich [/not] [/has_unit] [/filter_side] [/or]
20151109 08:48:36 * zookeeper giggles
20151109 08:48:49< celticminstrel> x,y=$x1,$y1 && (type=Lich || !(race=bats,undead))
20151109 08:48:55< celticminstrel> I think it's like that?
20151109 08:49:33< celticminstrel> Though I don't know why the second [and] is inside the first [and].
20151109 08:49:51< celticminstrel> They should be sibling tags, shouldn't they?
20151109 08:50:20< Aginor> the wml syntax is really hard to read :/
20151109 08:50:49< zookeeper> no, the first [and] is just a wrapper for the first line so it works with the second line's [or]
20151109 08:51:14< zookeeper> consider it as parentheses
20151109 08:52:23< celticminstrel> I see.
20151109 08:52:37< celticminstrel> I guess that makes sense.
20151109 08:52:46< celticminstrel> But did I parse it right?
20151109 08:53:49< zookeeper> well obviously mine is more complicated than x,y=$x1,$y1 && (type=Lich || !(race=bats,undead))?
20151109 08:54:02< celticminstrel> I was parsing the one shadowm posted.
20151109 08:54:34< celticminstrel> (type=Lich || id=Mal Keshar) is redundant if Mal Keshar is a lich.
20151109 08:55:13< celticminstrel> I don't really get why the [filter_side] version...
20151109 08:55:23< shadowm> Mal Keshar is an Ancient Lich.
20151109 08:55:27< celticminstrel> Ah.
20151109 08:58:12< zookeeper> celticminstrel, it's to make non-x1,y1 mal keshar a fallback if and only if the x1,y1 unit doesn't qualify as a speaker (is non-lich undead or bat)
20151109 08:59:31< celticminstrel> Sounds like my parsing was at least the desired result, then... except for adding allowance for if the unit is Mal Keshar...
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20151109 15:47:41< ancestral> Uploading the Mac package now to sf.net
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20151109 16:04:06< ancestral> Yuck, uploaded it to the wrong dir
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20151109 16:05:23< ancestral> Can’t tell if there’s a way to move it
20151109 16:05:34 * ancestral gets the feeling he’s going to have to re-upload
20151109 16:07:43< ancestral> mattsc, celticminstrel, shadowm: This shouldn’t be a concern, as we’ve tested the Mac package now, but be aware I am planning to send my Mac in for repair tomorrow and may be without it for up to a week
20151109 16:08:18< ancestral> If it was a dire situation, I could hop onto my girlfriend’s mini, but I would prefer not to
20151109 16:12:05 * neverEnough whishes every file had a summary description like older one have :/
20151109 16:25:02< ancestral> On sf.net?
20151109 16:25:19< ancestral> Or you mean, maps and such in the game?
20151109 16:26:07< ancestral> shadowm: Mac package is up on SF.net
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20151109 18:15:36< Aginor> 'lo
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20151109 20:25:49< shadowm> ancestral: The MD5 is not needed.
20151109 20:26:33< shadowm> I also said at the beginning that there was no need to upload the package itself, and that the file name should match the package's with the added extension.
20151109 20:26:43< shadowm> That means same capitalization and everything.
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20151109 20:31:33< shadowm> I get the feeling dmgs use very poor compression since both the tarball and the Windows installer went down in size this time around instead.
20151109 20:31:57< shadowm> Whereas the dmg went up.
20151109 20:32:48< shadowm> 392.3 / 357.1 / 392.3 -> 387.7 / 352.9 / 400.2 src/exe/dmg
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20151109 20:46:07< ancestral> shadowm: Either that, or as I suspect, there may be something my Xcode project is including, because when mattsc would make the package his seems to be just a bit smaller.
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20151109 20:47:56< shadowm> As long as the output is -O2 at least it's probably not important.
20151109 20:48:50< shadowm> (Although it certainly is something that you packagers should know as a fact rather than speculation.)
20151109 20:51:40< ancestral> Yeah, my guess is certain dependencies I am relying on versus mattsc are different. For example, maybe MacPorts builds a certain universal binary leaner than mine, or a certain library is built with 64-bit support which is unnecessary, etc.
20151109 20:52:22< ancestral> Because I am running 10.11, perhaps the SDK is slightly different…
20151109 20:52:39< shadowm> So Wesnoth on OS X is 32-bit only?
20151109 20:55:01< ancestral> Yes
20151109 20:55:09< ancestral> To maintain compatability with ancient Macs
20151109 20:56:48< ancestral> 1.13 could be 64-bit only, if we want to drop support for people running 10.6
20151109 20:57:06< ancestral> shadowm: Honestly, I would love to see a poll of what versions of OS X users are running
20151109 20:57:39< shadowm> Sure, nothing stops you from creating one. :p
20151109 20:58:00< ancestral> It wouldn’t surprise me if Wesnoth is a niche download for people with very old Macs… but I could be wrong. Maybe those same people now have smart phones and have free-to-play games to fit that desire
20151109 20:58:48< ancestral> shadowm: I could on the forums, though I wager that the average forum-goer is a little more technically up-to-date, so it might not be a perfect respresentation of the actual userbase
20151109 20:59:18< shadowm> Not much we can do then.
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20151109 21:22:15< shadowm> I'm making the Template:StableDownload page protected since no-one else edits it anyway.
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20151109 21:26:08< shadowm> loonycyborg: The SHA256 of the fixed 1.12.4a package isn't in f.w.o.
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20151109 21:28:45< shadowm> ancestral: I don't suppose you still have the 1.12.4 dmg lying around?
20151109 21:28:53< ancestral> Yes
20151109 21:29:18< ancestral> What do you need?
20151109 21:29:37< shadowm> The SHA256 of it.
20151109 21:30:10< ancestral> Want me to upload it onto the server?
20151109 21:31:01< shadowm> Yes.
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20151109 21:31:20< shadowm> Ugh.
20151109 21:31:38< shadowm> drwxrwsr-x 14 mproud  mproud    4096 Nov  9 18:09 files
20151109 21:31:42< shadowm> Why did your client do this?
20151109 21:32:09< shadowm> 21:31:33 shadowm@website:~/src/wesnoth-release-clean/f.w.o$ sudo chown wesnoth:files .
20151109 21:32:51< shadowm> Or actually, maybe I did it.
20151109 21:33:06< shadowm> Yeah, sorry, I must have done it when creating the symlink.
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20151109 21:35:09< ancestral> Done
20151109 21:36:52< shadowm> Your username is in the 1.12.4 sha256.
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20151109 21:44:52< shadowm> ancestral:  ^
20151109 21:45:10< ancestral> Let me put a new one up
20151109 21:45:58< ancestral> I guess I need to create the sha in a relative path
20151109 21:46:07< ancestral> Or hunt down the flag that ignores the path
20151109 21:46:48< ancestral> shadowm: Thanks, and done
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20151109 21:50:57< shadowm> Okay, I'm moving all these files to a releases/ subdir.
20151109 21:51:27< loonycyborg> shadowm: I already don't remember how I did that "a" release 
20151109 21:52:13< shadowm> You are not supposed to redo it, you are supposed to get the hash of the original file.
20151109 21:52:21< shadowm> But if you don't have the original file anymore then okay.
20151109 21:52:54< shadowm> I've updated the Downloads page with the 1.12.5 links and hashes, but now I'm rewriting it to use a template I just made.
20151109 21:53:10< loonycyborg> I mean if I used my script then perhaps 1.12.4 checksum got overwritten with 4a checksum
20151109 21:53:30< shadowm> For whoever cares about this.
20151109 21:54:08< shadowm> Okay MediaWiki I understand you suck, but...
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20151109 21:59:28< shadowm> Oh yes, this is better.
20151109 22:09:20< shadowm> Behold: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Template:StableDownload
20151109 22:10:07< shadowm> loonycyborg, ancestral: So, from now on the SHA256 goes into f.w.o/releases/ rather than f.w.o/ root.
20151109 22:10:30 * ancestral nods
20151109 22:10:49< shadowm> Also, old files should remain in that dir instead of being deleted on new releases like before.
20151109 22:11:07< loonycyborg> ok I'll change my script
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20151109 22:17:07< shadowm> ancestral: Oh yes, one last thing: the SHA256 of the 1.13.1 dmg.
20151109 22:17:30< ancestral> Can probably just grab it from sf.net
20151109 22:17:45< ancestral> Let’s see
20151109 22:17:59< shadowm> The whole point of this is making sure SF.net didn't modify our files, though.
20151109 22:18:23< ancestral> Ah only SHA1
20151109 22:18:35< ancestral> I’ll have to download 1.13.1
20151109 22:18:43< shadowm> If SF.net did modify any given file and we use the SHA256 of their copy then there's not much point in providing the hash. :p
20151109 22:19:04< shadowm> So if you don't have your copy then it's fine, we can leave it without the hash.
20151109 22:19:18< ancestral> Wow 5 minutes
20151109 22:19:20< ancestral> I’m okay with that
20151109 22:19:56< shadowm> (For reference, I could probably download it in under 3 minutes in the server.)
20151109 22:21:22< shadowm> Downloaded 1.12.4a-win32.exe in 11 seconds.
20151109 22:22:12< shadowm> loonycyborg: Nope, the 1.12.4a hash (at least the SF.net copy) differs from the one labeled 1.12.4 in f.w.o.
20151109 22:22:36< shadowm> 9afdc0b2a1065e3bbd63ad1812fce266ba89fc68894ee16be6eaa2e60d59a730  wesnoth-1.12.4-win32.exe
20151109 22:22:39< shadowm> c404c9d943ede2e319519556fc902ad600aa2c43ab4e088942b77dbd5529fc19  wesnoth-1.12.4a-win32.exe
20151109 22:23:09< shadowm> Whether the 1.12.4a file is legit is anybody's guess.
20151109 22:24:04< loonycyborg> those are sha or md?
20151109 22:24:18< shadowm> They are obviously SHA256.
20151109 22:26:05< loonycyborg> c404c9d943ede2e319519556fc902ad600aa2c43ab4e088942b77dbd5529fc19  /windows/Windoze2/wesnoth-git/wesnoth-1.12.4-win32.exe
20151109 22:26:08< shadowm> Okay, we have a problem here.
20151109 22:26:14< shadowm> 2adab67ec3db0b92ecaeca6c9f02ee09f12c40f82368f7bd77411db2c2f51e25  wesnoth-1.12.5-win32.exe
20151109 22:26:41< shadowm> 73c2b0d08420df9af8d6c1cc991609f78bb96efec3430ed5f654ab8ba0731b8b  wesnoth-1.12.5-win32.exe
20151109 22:26:42< loonycyborg> it seems I just redid 1.12.4 and uploaded it under name with "a"
20151109 22:26:48< shadowm> First is the SF.net copy, second is your copy.
20151109 22:27:00< shadowm> SF.net modified the 1.12.5 installer.
20151109 22:27:23< loonycyborg> md5 differ too?
20151109 22:27:27< Necrosporus> interesting
20151109 22:27:27< shadowm> OR you provided the wrong SHA256, which is an alternative I'd prefer.
20151109 22:27:44< shadowm> loonycyborg: Do I need to check? The answer is obvious.
20151109 22:28:10< shadowm> d467c54a833e4cb4c72d833c1b6577aa  wesnoth-1.12.5-win32.exe
20151109 22:28:15< shadowm> 3857bed0cdc7f6ec5533c9aefeb99662  wesnoth-1.12.5-win32.exe
20151109 22:28:19< shadowm> SF.net and yours again.
20151109 22:28:42< loonycyborg> 73c2b0d08420df9af8d6c1cc991609f78bb96efec3430ed5f654ab8ba0731b8b  /windows/Windoze2/wesnoth-git/wesnoth-1.12.5-win32.exe
20151109 22:29:53< loonycyborg> I'll try to rerun the script
20151109 22:30:13< shadowm> loonycyborg: Why?
20151109 22:30:21< shadowm> What will you accomplish by doing that?
20151109 22:30:37< loonycyborg> to reupload it, maybe it was a communicarion error
20151109 22:31:02< shadowm> I'm downloading from another mirror and checking 1.12.4 next.
20151109 22:31:37< shadowm> (Who knew that forgetting to delete the original upload would come in handy...)
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20151109 22:35:19< shadowm> 73c2b0d08420df9af8d6c1cc991609f78bb96efec3430ed5f654ab8ba0731b8b  wesnoth-1.12.5-win32.exe
20151109 22:35:36< shadowm> So one mirror has a different file.
20151109 22:36:17< loonycyborg> I did a download myself and got my original checksum
20151109 22:36:21< loonycyborg> 73c.. one
20151109 22:36:23< shadowm>   Connecting to netcologne.dl.sourceforge.net (netcologne.dl.sourceforge.net)|78.35.24.46|:80... connected.
20151109 22:36:27< shadowm> This mirror. ^
20151109 22:37:17< loonycyborg> though file info shows wrong checksum
20151109 22:37:30< loonycyborg> hmm
20151109 22:37:35< loonycyborg> actually
20151109 22:37:40< loonycyborg> it's SHA! checksum
20151109 22:37:43< loonycyborg> SHA1
20151109 22:37:44< shadowm> Its file is 352887021 bytes, the correct length is 352886977.
20151109 22:38:23< shadowm> Ohhh.
20151109 22:38:39< shadowm> Looks like I somehow downloaded a page at the beginning of the file.
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20151109 22:39:17< shadowm>   Length: 44 [text/html]
20151109 22:39:23< shadowm>   Saving to: `wesnoth-1.12.5-win32.exe'
20151109 22:40:01< shadowm> Okay, it's fine, everything's fine, I just wrote extra data at the top.
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20151109 22:40:57< shadowm> loonycyborg: But if you did start a new upload then you will have to finish it now.
20151109 22:41:11< loonycyborg> I didn't start it
20151109 22:41:20< loonycyborg> decided to download myself first
20151109 22:41:21< shadowm> Okay, good then.
20151109 22:41:28< loonycyborg> and checksums matched :P
20151109 22:42:13< shadowm> I'll update the dev downloads page and then announce then.
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20151109 22:53:25< zookeeper> elias, here're the elves in add-on form: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63964618/wesnoth/quenoth/NewQuenothElves.zip not contained in a campaign or era so i presume they'll just appear alongside normal elves in the unit list (which is fine)
20151109 22:53:55< zookeeper> so if you can give that a spin whenever you got time, that'd be great, but there's no hurry
20151109 22:55:19< zookeeper> i'll have to hand-hack the output to fix image references anyway
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20151109 22:57:59< zookeeper> arguably i could have just done everything by copying existing entries and modifying by hand...
20151109 22:58:36< zookeeper> so, yeah, i don't know. maybe this is just a dumb idea to begin with.
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20151109 23:32:18< ancestral> shadowm: Permission denied
20151109 23:32:22< ancestral> in releases
20151109 23:32:51< ancestral> ~/files.w.o/releases/
20151109 23:34:46< shadowm> ancestral: Try again.
20151109 23:35:16< shadowm> I had created the dir as myself and forgot to change perms and ownership to something more appropriated.
20151109 23:35:19< shadowm> appropriate.
20151109 23:35:19< ancestral> Okay, sha256 up for 1.13
20151109 23:35:29< shadowm> Is it made from your original copy of the file?
20151109 23:35:39< ancestral> Good question
20151109 23:35:47< shadowm> You should know this. :\
20151109 23:36:08< ancestral> I don’t have the original build; it got deleted some time ago
20151109 23:36:15< shadowm> I told you earlier that if you didn't have the original, there wasn't any point in downloading it from SF.net because that defeats the whole purpose of having these hashes.
20151109 23:36:16< ancestral> I can check backups if you like, and compare the hash
20151109 23:36:17< ancestral> I know
20151109 23:36:25< ancestral> I wasn’t thinking earlier
20151109 23:36:45< ancestral> shadowm: So 1.13 is from sf. So that’s not helpful.
20151109 23:36:53< ancestral> So I can check my backups later tonight
20151109 23:36:58< ancestral> Wait
20151109 23:37:05< ancestral> I might have it on my private server
20151109 23:37:07< shadowm> If you can do find it in your backups then that'd be great, but it's not essential. Until then I'll just skip any mention of the hash.
20151109 23:37:20< celticminstrel> I don't know what kind of compression the dmg uses, but it does have the entire filesystem encoded in it.
20151109 23:37:21< ancestral> 7/5/15
20151109 23:37:25< celticminstrel> Rather than just the files.
20151109 23:37:47< ancestral> That’s probably right around when it was released, yes?
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20151109 23:40:37< ancestral> Okay, the one on my server may be of a different build
20151109 23:40:50< ancestral> The hash is different, but I might not be the same as the one I uploaded
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