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20151110 01:35:45< shadowm> ancestral: Labeling the 1.13.0 and 1.13.1 dmgs as 10.10+ is technically correct, right?
20151110 01:35:59< ancestral> Yes
20151110 01:36:07< celticminstrel> Why is it 10.10+?
20151110 01:36:09< shadowm> (Yup, it's taken me this many hours to get back to this task.)
20151110 01:36:20< ancestral> We need to rebuild libs
20151110 01:36:26< celticminstrel> Oh.
20151110 01:36:38< ancestral> mattsc was going to try rebuilding from MacPorts. I might try that at some point here too
20151110 01:36:52< shadowm> Funnily enough, no-one has actually complained since 1.13.0 was released.
20151110 01:37:05< celticminstrel> I would have, but I have the source.
20151110 01:37:07< shadowm> That suggest there's no interest from legacy OS X users to run dev versions.
20151110 01:37:22< celticminstrel> I guess so.
20151110 01:37:30< ancestral> celticminstrel: The problem is, the library that’s being built only seems to want to build for that machine. It might be a homebrew problem
20151110 01:37:52< ancestral> shadowm: People not interested in Dev, or… people not interested in Wesnoth :(
20151110 01:37:54< celticminstrel> What do you mean by "only for that machine"?
20151110 01:38:03< celticminstrel> Maybe it's an install name problem.
20151110 01:38:04< ancestral> Only for the native OS
20151110 01:38:29< ancestral> So if I’m running 10.9 and I build using libs built from Homebrew, it will crash on a 10.10 machine, and a 10.8 machine
20151110 01:38:35< celticminstrel> Ah.
20151110 01:38:40< ancestral> If I’m running 10.10, it’ll crash on a 10.9 machine
20151110 01:38:46< ancestral> It’s not supposed to do that
20151110 01:38:51< celticminstrel> Yeah.
20151110 01:39:04< ancestral> So the idea was try building those libs from MacPorts
20151110 01:40:26< celticminstrel> mattsc might've done that already.
20151110 01:40:43< shadowm> Okay, dev downloads converted to use the new item template.
20151110 01:40:49< shadowm> I can finally announce now. \o/
20151110 01:42:58< shadowm> Okay I always forget something.
20151110 01:43:09< shadowm> I didn't write a draft for the front page post in advance.
20151110 01:43:36< shadowm> Meh, it's a stable version, copy-paste will do.
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20151110 01:47:46< mattsc> ancestral, celticminstrel: yes — the current libraries I have run on both 10.10 and 10.9.
20151110 01:49:00< mattsc> Also, the default Xcode build of Wesnoth 1.13 is 64-bit, with the resources providing fat libraries for both 32 and 64 bits.
20151110 01:50:31< mattsc> And finally, I have written (but not yet uploaded) a script that should build the required replacement libs for 10.6 and 10.7 users.
20151110 01:50:59< mattsc> (and I don’t know where 10.8 falls on that scale; same with 10.11)
20151110 01:58:55-!- shadowm changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: Wesnoth Developers Channel | >>> Want to help? Go here: http://r.wesnoth.org/t42911 (and thanks!) <<< | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Bug tracker: http://bugs.wesnoth.org
20151110 01:59:03< shadowm> Announcement posted, string-freeze on 1.12 is over.
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20151110 04:42:57< wedge009> Ooh, I just noticed the release announcement. Very nice. Sorry I haven't been too active recently - been sick the past week. Still trying to catch up on RL work. x.x
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20151110 07:27:02< Aginor> 'lo
20151110 07:30:26< aquileia> shadowm: Would be nice if devs could ban forum users if they have less than 5 posts (freshly registered spammers)
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20151110 07:37:06< aquileia> wedge009, gfgtdf: Should we add an optional translations project to the vcproj? The user would have to get gettext (e.g. from https://github.com/vslavik/gettext-tools-windows/releases) though
20151110 07:38:23< wedge009> aquileia: I don't think I'm qualified to give a helpful answer on that, sorry. Would this offer translations for stuff that isn't already in the po files?
20151110 07:39:44< aquileia> It'd allow Visual Studio users to generate .mo files (usable by the game) from the .po files (usable by translators)
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20151110 07:45:23< aquileia> wedge009: Currently, VC builds don't provide translations in-game (as a workaround, I use the translation files from one of loonycyborg's releases)
20151110 07:46:39< wedge009> Oh, I see. Yes, I periodically copy the translations output from my Linux build to achieve the same. Cumbersome, but I suppose one only really needs to worry about translations (normally) when packaging for a release and such.
20151110 07:47:25< wedge009> If we can have it working in VC, that would be nice. Not sure how you'd make it optional, though - if it requires yet another external dependency, it would be good to make it optional.
20151110 07:48:25< aquileia> I just won't list it as a dependency for the wesnoth project, that way it's only built when selected by the user
20151110 07:50:32< wedge009> Sounds good.
20151110 07:51:33< aquileia> BTW, putting 99% of the code in a library leads to multiple minutes link time... not an issue for a rebuild,but quite annoying for incremental builds. I'd have to test disabling link-time optimization
20151110 07:53:00< aquileia> But without that restructuring, it's impossible to have the Boost C++ unit tests as part of a normal build
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20151110 07:57:32< aquileia> loonycyborg, celticminstrel: I'd be grateful if someone could tell me how to fix the Scons targets: https://github.com/aquileia/wesnoth/commit/a8dacb4db#diff-e0065bbR45
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20151110 07:59:30< celmin|sleep> Sorry, my scons knowledge isn't very good.
20151110 08:00:14< aquileia> WinPatch itself is doing what it should (assuming I didn't mess up the function signature), the issue is how to make Scons actually use it
20151110 08:00:20< celmin|sleep> So I probably can't help much.
20151110 08:00:35< celmin|sleep> Maybe using env.Command or whatever?
20151110 08:00:52< celmin|sleep> I didn't look closely at the commit since I'm on my way to bed.
20151110 08:01:10< aquileia> celmin|sleep: good night
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20151110 08:04:47< aquileia> All I get is: Do not know how to make File target `patch.7z'
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20151110 08:24:08< William__> hi does anyone know who is in charge of the WML tutorial?
20151110 08:29:01< zookeeper> apparently artisticdude, looking at the history
20151110 08:29:13< zookeeper> what's the problem?
20151110 08:30:22< William__> just a minor change but i think i need to wait for the editor to fix it ==?
20151110 08:30:42< zookeeper> anyone can edit the wiki
20151110 08:30:59< zookeeper> so you can register and do the change yourself, or just say what it is and i can apply it right away
20151110 08:31:14< William__> i tried minor edit
20151110 08:31:29< William__> but it doesnt update immediately. Can it update immediately?
20151110 08:31:39< zookeeper> it updates immediately
20151110 08:31:53< William__> O_O
20151110 08:31:59< zookeeper> this? http://wiki.wesnoth.org/index.php?title=WML_for_Complete_Beginners:_Chapter_4&curid=5679&diff=56862&oldid=56164
20151110 08:32:27< William__> yes
20151110 08:32:49< zookeeper> it's in there just fine: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Special:RecentChanges your browser probably just didn't refresh the page or something
20151110 08:33:00< William__> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/index.php?title=WML_for_Complete_Beginners:_Chapter_4
20151110 08:33:13< William__> oh
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20151110 08:36:24< William__> if you add as a minor edit it doesnt update immediately
20151110 08:36:39< William__> i fixed it
20151110 08:38:35< zookeeper> well those were two different lines you fixed
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20151110 09:39:10< loonycyborg> aquileia: https://gist.github.com/loonycyborg/8bde5c9b2fe8d730fad4
20151110 09:39:35< loonycyborg> try this
20151110 09:39:59< loonycyborg> needs more work but hopefully shows the idea..
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20151110 12:55:56< elias> zookeeper: I can't get the addon to be seen by wesnoth
20151110 12:56:13< elias> it doesn't appear as addon, nor under campaigns or eras
20151110 12:56:30< zookeeper> well, yeah it doesn't, it just injects the units
20151110 12:57:43< elias> I see, so they should show up on wmlunit's main list
20151110 12:57:53< zookeeper> they should
20151110 13:00:35< zookeeper> unless wmlunits does some special checks (to categorize units into campaigns/eras) this one doesn't pass
20151110 13:01:40< elias> yeah, it does
20151110 13:02:01< elias> at least I can't see new units
20151110 13:02:29< elias> putting them into an era also makes it easier to just send that folder
20151110 13:02:45< elias> let me see if I can do it...
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20151110 13:07:29< elias> I can't
20151110 13:07:53< elias> putting [era] [/era] around is apparently not enough
20151110 13:07:59< gfgtdf> aquileia: gettext would only be needed if one would actually want to use it right?
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20151110 13:09:57< zookeeper> elias, yeah i can't decipher wmlunits's code enough to tell what it requires. but i can of course just make it a "real" era
20151110 13:13:08< elias> i'm trying as campaign right now, that might be easier, but don't know
20151110 13:15:48< zookeeper> elias, replace its _main.cfg with this and it ought to work: http://pastebin.com/gYvnh3dK
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20151110 13:23:15< aquileia> gfgtdf: Of course
20151110 13:23:28< elias> it's not showing up
20151110 13:23:35< elias> I use ./wesnoth --config-dir tmp_config
20151110 13:24:08< elias> and I have that file in tmp_config/data/add-ons/NewQuenothElves/_main.cfg
20151110 13:24:24< elias> but when I start a local game, I only see the default eras
20151110 13:24:42< elias> (it's also not showing up in wmlunits... but I assume the reason is the same)
20151110 13:25:37< zookeeper> and other add-on eras placed there will show up?
20151110 13:26:11< zookeeper> because the era does show up in multiplayer for me
20151110 13:26:42< elias> let me download one
20151110 13:28:15< aquileia> elias: shadowm changed the behavior of --config-dir, I think you need to use ./tmp_config (otherwise it'll assume it's relative to your user documents dir)
20151110 13:28:56< elias> oh
20151110 13:29:08< elias> aquileia: thanks, yes, that must be it
20151110 13:29:22< elias> hope that won't break wmlunits on the server
20151110 13:29:51< elias> no, that uses absolute paths for everything
20151110 13:39:58< aquileia> loonycyborg: Thanks! Now that I can actually test these targets, I can fix any remaining issues (like "wesnoth-'Version[0]'.Version[1]-patch")
20151110 13:42:35< elias> zookeeper: http://elias.pschernig.com/unitwml_output.zip
20151110 13:43:00< elias> zookeeper: *now* I can re-run it easily if you need me to :)
20151110 13:43:23< elias> also, now it is an era, you can just upload it to the add-ons server I guess
20151110 13:43:30< elias> and I can trigger a rebuild whenever
20151110 13:45:03< zookeeper> cool, thanks!
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20151110 15:21:17< zookeeper> elias, at what day/time is wmlunits set to run currently?
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20151110 15:40:03< elias> 40 23  *   *   4     $HOME/master/update-wmlunits > $HOME/log/wmlunits-master 2>&1
20151110 15:40:05< elias> 40 23  *   *   5     $HOME/1.12/update-wmlunits > $HOME/log/wmlunits-1.12 2>&1
20151110 15:40:19< elias> so 11:40 pm and Thursday for master and Friday for 1.12
20151110 15:40:42< elias> and current server time is 3:40 PM
20151110 15:40:46< elias> which I assume is UTC
20151110 15:50:07< zookeeper> all right
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20151110 18:52:06< neverEnough> i just noticed in the 1.12.5 that in game lobby i don't get join messages when "preferences->multiplayer->show all lobby joins" is set
20151110 18:52:17< neverEnough> probably it was like that also previously
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20151110 19:03:52< ancestral> neverEnough: What OS are you using?
20151110 19:05:07< ancestral> Regardless actually, it would be great if you can file a bug report (http://bugs.wesnoth.org)
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20151110 20:04:49< neverEnough> i'm on linux, but i guess this is just related to the fact that the lobby code is completely separated from ingame (i.e. display_chat_manager.cpp, play_controller.cpp and so on)
20151110 20:05:00< neverEnough> imo this is smthing wrong in the design
20151110 20:05:12< neverEnough> but nvm, gotta go to work, will read logs
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20151110 21:20:25< shadowm> aquileia: That's how it is in 1.12 too, I didn't change that aspect, only added the possibility to specify dirs relative to the CWD (which didn't exist before, so you only had the .\userdata default as a possibility).
20151110 21:21:17< shadowm> I'm surprised that this stuff keeps being a source of confusion for you Windows people.
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20151110 21:33:29< irker662> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master a81f076f6bfc / RELEASE_NOTES: Add command line changes tl;dr for bug #23753 http://git.io/v8Mjp
20151110 21:33:40< shadowm> There.
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20151110 21:34:24< irker662> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:1.12 7aa06055debd / RELEASE_NOTES: Purge 1.12.5 release notes http://git.io/v8DeR
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