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20151118 00:45:16< celticminstrel> Ooh, SDL2 stuff has reached pull request stage.
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20151118 12:33:51< aquileia> zookeeper, vultraz, shadowm, ... : Opinions on https://github.com/aquileia/wesnoth/commit/8d4205147 ? If preferred I could do the inverse fix instead (adding plural s), although that would be far more instances
20151118 12:36:34< zookeeper> looks good to me, although i don't know whether there might have been some reason for the s plurals originally.
20151118 12:37:27< zookeeper> the "to his advantage" could be gender-neutral ("to their advantage") even though it's referring to a male-only unit type.
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20151118 12:39:18< aquileia> well, then I'd have to change the singular 'a wise Khalid', wouldn't I?
20151118 12:40:33< zookeeper> i don't think so, AFAIK "their" is a valid gender-neutral singular form? in this kind of context anyway
20151118 12:40:53< zookeeper> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they
20151118 12:41:32< aquileia> OK
20151118 12:42:42< aquileia> As to the option of asking the original author, are these the descriptions by Turuk or Noy? IIRC both wrote their own
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20151118 12:43:46< zookeeper> i don't know
20151118 12:46:39< vultraz> zookeeper, aquileia: I'm not sure the change is needed. I think the problem is that these names sound like names of people, where the singular change would be correct. But consider a broader proper noun like Draug or Deathblade. Singular doesn't make sense
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20151118 12:47:59< aquileia> vultraz: The description uses both 'Hakim' and 'Hakim', so we definitely need to fix sth. - as I said, the direction of these fixes could be changed
20151118 12:48:18< aquileia> *both 'Hakim' and 'Hakims'
20151118 12:49:29< vultraz> yeah, that's true...
20151118 12:49:35< zookeeper> singular sounds more appropriate to me, because they do seem more like names rather than nouns due to them being loan words
20151118 12:49:59< zookeeper> but i'm not a linguist
20151118 12:50:35< vultraz> we need Espreon 
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20151118 12:51:28< vultraz> he IS a linguist :P
20151118 12:53:49< aquileia> zookeeper: I prepared the 'his' -> 'their' change locally, but in that case I'll wait for him before amending
20151118 12:55:30 * aquileia will be back later
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20151118 14:47:32< Espreon> vultraz: You really need to stop doing that. Just because one is a linguist doesn't mean he'll have the answers to each and every conceivable linguistic issue, for there are many areas of linguistics and people tend to care about a grab bag of things. Let's just say I didn't grab anything having to do with Modern English aside from the phonetic and phonological "oddities" of various modern British English dialects.
20151118 14:49:39< vultraz> This is not an oddity
20151118 14:49:47< Espreon> As for the case of "Hakim" in a context that normally demands a marked plural vs. "Hakims", to me, a native speaker of English, both sound potentially fine, especially since "Hakim" seems like it could be the name of a person and is thus not "excessively bizarre". Yes, we can pluralize the names of people.
20151118 14:49:49< vultraz> This is literally whether we should use plurals or not
20151118 14:49:58< Espreon> Still.
20151118 14:52:28< Espreon> You really need to get it through your thick skull that Modern English morphosyntax and the complexities that aries through situations such as this one just aren't one of my things.
20151118 14:52:34< Espreon> Nor do I seek to make them one of my things.
20151118 14:53:00< Espreon> *arise
20151118 14:53:27< vultraz> Then who else is around here that would know?
20151118 14:53:33< vultraz> If you say we should not ask you
20151118 14:54:37< Espreon> The local native English speakers!
20151118 14:55:45< zookeeper> you can give an educated opinion without making it your thing :p
20151118 14:56:54< Espreon> True, I very well can, but I don't particular care to at the moment. :(
20151118 14:59:12< vultraz> seriously, all we want is an educated opinion 
20151118 14:59:35< vultraz> we're not asking for a dissertation on the complexities and nuances of modern english morphology 
20151118 15:00:48< zookeeper> oi. morphosyntax, not morphology.
20151118 15:00:52< Espreon> Well, you got some sort of preliminary "Welp, I woke up to this shit again and so here's what he's getting" opinion.
20151118 15:00:55 * zookeeper is uneducated
20151118 15:01:50< vultraz> er right
20151118 15:01:52< vultraz> syntax
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20151118 15:07:19< WokinShopash> Hello guys! I'd like to do some work with AI. Looking through wiki I can't understand - where is ML Recruiter? Last update was 3 years ago, but you said MLR was better than RCA.
20151118 15:09:32< zookeeper> WokinShopash, mattsc is who knows most about the AI, but he's not online right now. i think he generally doesn't have a lot of time, but you should be able to get some general information and pointers from him when he's around.
20151118 15:10:06< zookeeper> (that's not to say there aren't others who know about it as well, but i'm not up-to-date on who else knows what)
20151118 15:13:37< WokinShopash> zookeeper: OK, thanks. Let's wait
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20151118 15:17:03< mattsc> WokinShopash: funny timing, I _just_ checked the logs...
20151118 15:18:16< mattsc> WokinShopash: where on the wiki does it say anything about the ML recruiter?  I’m asking because that has never been in mainline, only in an add-on (AI Demos).
20151118 15:19:35< WokinShopash> hmm... http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Machine_Learning_Recruiter, I met it in AI category
20151118 15:19:37< mattsc> Also, its currently disabled because its maintainer has not been around for a couple years, and because our other (non-ML) recruiter actually is better.  But the code’s still there, I could tell you what to do to reenable it.
20151118 15:20:52< mattsc> Interesting, I didn’t know (or had forgotten) that that exists.
20151118 15:21:19< WokinShopash> it would be great. so, 'Experimental AI' is just developing version?
20151118 15:21:38< mattsc> Last updated to that page was in Dec 2012, which sounds about right for the last time SeattleDad was around.
20151118 15:22:08< WokinShopash> obviously, that's why i asked
20151118 15:22:51< mattsc> Experimental AI add a few Candidate Action to the default AI based on some experimental work we have done and are still doing.
20151118 15:23:11< mattsc> So it is a little better than the default, but yes, it’s a developing version.
20151118 15:23:58< mattsc> If you want to know the background of all this, you might want to sift through this forum thread:  http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=34976
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20151118 15:38:09< mattsc> WokinShopash: any specific questions right now?  I’m going to stay logged in for the time being, but will be away from the computer most of the time.
20151118 15:42:16< mattsc> If you want to try out the ML recruiter, get the “AI Modification Demos” add-on from the add-ons server and undo this commit: https://github.com/mattsc/AI-demos/commit/b0f8d9472c0d
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20151118 15:43:25< mattsc> Just find that files and uncomment those lines.  I have never used the ML recruiter myself though, and everybody who has is long gone, so I do not know if it is even working at the moment.
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20151118 15:49:37< WokinShopash> mattsc: OK, i have no questions yet, thanks for helping. I'll try both and then I'll choose. How can I contact you? Here, writing your nickname?
20151118 15:51:55< zookeeper> yes
20151118 15:59:02< mattsc> yes (thanks, zookeeper).  I’m not around as much as I used to any more, but I do at the very least check the logs for my nichname.
20151118 15:59:25< mattsc> *nickname
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20151118 16:31:55< celticminstrel> ML?
20151118 16:36:24< mattsc> machine learning
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20151118 19:57:12< Elvish_Hunter> Hi all
20151118 19:58:05< Espreon> Hello!
20151118 19:59:50< vultraz> Hey
20151118 20:01:59< Elvish_Hunter> Sorry, but I've been busy these days.
20151118 20:02:19< Elvish_Hunter> vultraz: I just pushed some modifications to PR #550.
20151118 20:21:06< vultraz> Elvish_Hunter: ok thanks, I'll test them tomorrow 
20151118 20:47:01< fendrin> hi Elvish_Hunter
20151118 20:47:27< Elvish_Hunter> Hi fendrin
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20151118 23:19:58< fendrin> vultraz: ping
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