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20151125 07:51:03< Aginor> shadowm: I did get it working, but I had to redifine some of the link-options in CMake. I think the scripts are not dealing well with cross-compiling and attempting to locate libraries and the compiler-dependant flags are not set up for mingw
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20151125 07:53:39< irker457> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master edb8be4bceff / src/log_windows.cpp: log/windows: Leave Windows version unspecified http://git.io/vBCTp
20151125 07:53:42< irker457> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master bb87a306e985 / src/log_windows.cpp: log/windows: Drop test code that was never meant to be pushed upstream http://git.io/vBCTh
20151125 07:54:14< shadowm> Not much I can say about that, unfortunately.
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20151125 07:58:49< Aginor> it was surprisingly painfree on fedora
20151125 07:59:39< Aginor> I built SDL2_net-2.0.0  SDL2_ttf-2.0.12
20151125 07:59:42< Aginor> by hand
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20151125 07:59:49< shadowm> Uh why?
20151125 08:00:25< Aginor> and the rest of all deps were present as packages already
20151125 08:01:08< Aginor> shadowm: why not? it's hard to compile without libraries
20151125 08:01:18< shadowm> https://www.libsdl.org/projects/SDL_net/   https://www.libsdl.org/projects/SDL_ttf/
20151125 08:01:57< Aginor> I didn't have much success with using the binaries and haivng them being picked up with cmake
20151125 08:02:08< Aginor> it was quicker to compile and toss into the sys-root
20151125 08:02:19< shadowm> I used the i686-w64-mingw32 versions from the SDL2*-devel-*-mingw.tar.gz packages.
20151125 08:02:40< Aginor> *shrug*
20151125 08:02:44< Aginor> I got it working
20151125 08:02:53< Aginor> the pain is using the wine debugger
20151125 08:03:04< shadowm> Okay, I'd never install custom builds of libraries system-wide, especially not if they aren't even for the same platforms, but whatever I guess.
20151125 08:03:08< Aginor> and learning how to actually debug something in a useful way with it
20151125 08:03:32< Aginor> /usr/x86_64-w64-mingw32/ is what that's for
20151125 08:04:02< Aginor> that's a complete sys-root for those libraries
20151125 08:04:10< shadowm> Yes, but that means stepping on the package manager's toes.
20151125 08:04:29< Aginor> yes, I agree with that
20151125 08:04:33< shadowm> /usr/local is generally preferred as a prefix for custom stuff instead of /usr.
20151125 08:04:39< Aginor> normally I wouldn't, but it was late :)
20151125 08:05:07< Aginor> and I figured that I'd be able to deal with the mess
20151125 08:07:01< shadowm> The last time I disobeyed my distribution's recommendations on the matter, I got a completely broken window manager a few years later and couldn't figure out why for a while.
20151125 08:07:43< shadowm> Had to revert the purportedly faulty upgrade, and then faced the same issue some months later when I decided to try again.
20151125 08:08:27< shadowm> But then in a rare moment of brilliance, it occured to me to look at the logs and saw the dynamic linker errors.
20151125 08:09:17< Aginor> that's how these lessons are learned
20151125 08:09:21< shadowm> Even to this day I'm not entirely sure if I purged the custom builds of the library in question completely.
20151125 08:09:45< Aginor> I've done similar things with custom packages that didn't mark dependencies properly
20151125 08:10:07< Aginor> I usually keep the sources I install from around
20151125 08:10:23< Aginor> that way I can re-run the command and see what places it invokes "install" to
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20151125 08:38:59< 64MAEEC7B> wesnoth/wesnoth#7830 (master - bb87a30 : Ignacio R. Morelle): The build was broken.
20151125 08:38:59< 64MAEEC7B> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/93108193
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20151125 08:39:57< vultraz> the fuck
20151125 08:39:59< vultraz> o_O
20151125 08:42:03< Aginor> bah.
20151125 08:42:04< Aginor> /tmp/ccLGXEAE.s: Fatal error: can't close CMakeFiles/wesnoth.dir/gui/widgets/generator.cpp.obj: File too big
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20151125 08:42:32< Aginor> anyone has any thoughts?
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20151125 08:56:07< Aginor> -Wa,-mbig-obj fixes it
20151125 08:56:22< Aginor> too many templates in gui2 with no optimisation turned on
20151125 09:01:41< shadowm> vultraz: When a netsplit is resolved, if there are two identical nicks on both sides of the split, one of them gets renamed to its UID, which starts with a digit (an invalid char at the start of nicks).
20151125 09:02:15< shadowm> There probably was a netsplit that caused travis-ci to get collided.
20151125 09:02:47< shadowm> (This is charybdis/ircd-seven specifici behavior. Other ircds may take more extreme measures like KILLing one or both of the collided nicks.)
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20151125 18:01:09< vultraz> Regarding the recent team_name/user_team_name -> team_id/team_name change, Elvish_Hunter suggested we use team_string in place of team_name (so user_team_name -> team_string) to alleviate confusion and make the transition smoother 
20151125 18:01:30< vultraz> If anyone has a better name than team_string, do pipe up. 
20151125 18:02:49< zookeeper> "team_string" seems rather inferior to "user_team_name"
20151125 18:03:42< Elvish_Hunter> To quote what I said elsewhere:
20151125 18:03:53< Elvish_Hunter> 18:18:20 < Elvish_Hunter> If only user_team_name was renamed to a unique string (like team_string), everything would've been simpler.
20151125 18:04:08< Elvish_Hunter> 18:20:06 < Elvish_Hunter> To quote from wmllint's initial comment block:
20151125 18:04:16< Elvish_Hunter> 18:20:20 < Elvish_Hunter> in future, changes to WML syntax *must* be forward compatible in such a way that tags from old versions can be unambiguously recognized (this will save everybody heartburn).
20151125 18:04:26< Elvish_Hunter> 18:21:13 < Elvish_Hunter> And team_name currently is ambiguous.
20151125 18:06:09< gfgtdf> I wonder whewther team_id is a good string? i mean it's actually a comma seperated list of ids. so maybe we shouold call it team_ids  or seomthing?
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20151125 18:11:55< Elvish_Hunter> gfgtdf: [filter] id= accepts comma separated lists as well...
20151125 18:12:47< zookeeper> well yes but that's a different case
20151125 18:12:56< zookeeper> you're not setting an id there
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20151125 19:11:02< celticminstrel> vultraz: I don't like team_string that much, but the principle is sound for sure. I can't think of anything better though.
20151125 19:11:19< celticminstrel> I didn't know the team ID was a comma-separated list.
20151125 19:13:22< iceiceice> celticminstrel: it is and it isn't
20151125 19:13:30< iceiceice> it was in 1.10
20151125 19:13:37< iceiceice> in 1.12 a major bug got introduced
20151125 19:13:48< iceiceice> if the multiplayer game setup engine is involved,
20151125 19:14:03< iceiceice> it can't handle the comma separated lists there
20151125 19:14:11< iceiceice> and replaces it with some gibberish
20151125 19:14:51< iceiceice> when thunderstruck rewrote the thing, he didnt realize it could be a comma separated list either,
20151125 19:14:55< iceiceice> and because we had no tests no one caught it
20151125 19:15:46< celticminstrel> Does having it as a list allow anything that would be possible if it were just a single ID?
20151125 19:15:54< celticminstrel> Uh. That would be impossible.
20151125 19:16:04< iceiceice> it does
20151125 19:16:16< iceiceice> it allows you to make arbitrary "alliance" relations basically
20151125 19:16:24< iceiceice> in wesnoth 1.10,
20151125 19:16:43< iceiceice> for any possible configuration of "Side 1 si allid with 2, 2 and 3 are allied, 1 and 3 are not allied"
20151125 19:16:53< iceiceice> you can set up the Teams strings so that it will be so
20151125 19:17:14< iceiceice> and also in sp games in wesnoth 1.12
20151125 19:17:36< iceiceice> in mp games, only groups of all allied sides, which are enemies of all other sides, are possible
20151125 19:17:45< iceiceice> this break's Bob the Mighty's Altaz Mariners campaign
20151125 19:17:48< celticminstrel> Okay, I get it.
20151125 19:22:23< zookeeper> just don't switch to something obviously bad like "team_string".
20151125 19:28:11< zookeeper> or if you really want to do the most useful thing possible, roll back the whole change.
20151125 19:29:32< celticminstrel> team_description?
20151125 19:30:22< zookeeper> yeah let's go back to... 2006 or so
20151125 19:30:35< celticminstrel> ?
20151125 19:31:04< zookeeper> name keys for various things were called *description originally
20151125 19:31:29< zookeeper> in units it was name and description (now id and name), etc
20151125 19:34:19< zookeeper> hmm, no
20151125 19:34:22< zookeeper> it was description and user_description
20151125 19:38:44< celticminstrel> Weapons are currently name and description.
20151125 19:38:51< celticminstrel> I was thinking id and description, though.
20151125 19:38:57< celticminstrel> For the teams.
20151125 19:39:15< zookeeper> yes, that's what you said
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