--- Log opened Fri Nov 27 00:00:57 2015 20151127 00:04:41-!- Netsplit over, joins: legoktm, EliDupree 20151127 00:19:31< neverEnough> omg almost every day a netsplit, freenet is'nt even better than the good old ircnet 15y ago 20151127 00:27:42-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@KD119104013118.au-net.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20151127 00:29:14-!- gfgtdf [~chatzilla@f054150128.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20151127 00:32:50< gfgtdf> last time i tested (quiet some time ago) it was very broken but there were some fixes (liek this gna.org/bugs/?22073 which was afaik one of teh most important bug becasue it broke scenario3 completeley) so i cannot say what the current state is 20151127 00:34:35< gfgtdf> i did some fixes in for LoWs cfg files in 1.12 that are noit in master i don't know whihc of those apply to master becasue some of the fixed are definitley introduced by 1.12 only commitsif those 20151127 00:35:47< gfgtdf> shadowm: ^ 20151127 00:36:14< shadowm> Hm, hm. 20151127 00:38:22< gfgtdf> shadowm: ok i just tested and the unit startign positions are stil compleletey wrong in LoW scenario 3 20151127 00:38:52< gfgtdf> shadowm: (those units shoudl actually start in the caste) 20151127 00:39:16< gfgtdf> shadowm: i'd say that they 1.12 is at least beter tested. 20151127 00:40:33-!- Elsi_ is now known as Elsi 20151127 00:40:59< shadowm> That's the story of all development versions, yeah. :| 20151127 00:42:00< gfgtdf> shadowm: most c++ side fixes are really noticed as bugs in LoW. But there are also some bugs reported by tekelili in his WC2 campaign. 20151127 00:42:42< gfgtdf> shadowm: yes but usually the case becasue the dev versions has more patches which also contain more bugs. 20151127 00:43:39< shadowm> Do you think it's worth keeping LoW MP for 1.14 as a reference for MP campaign support status, or should we focus on fixing the single-player version? 20151127 00:43:49< shadowm> *instead? 20151127 00:45:17< shadowm> It's such a silly question in principle, but the thing is we've tried this MP campaign support endeavor countless times before, people lose interest in it after a while, and we keep shipping incomplete MP campaign support on the next stable series as a result. 20151127 00:45:52-!- Necrosporus_ is now known as Necrosporus 20151127 00:46:08< shadowm> So 1.12 isn't the only "MP campaigns update". Pretty much every stable series before it advertised MP campaigns support to some xtent. 20151127 00:46:25-!- tomreyn [~tomreyn@megaglest/team/tomreyn] has quit [Quit: tomreyn] 20151127 00:47:13< shadowm> It's just that 1.12 is the first one to ship an MP campaign in mainline, and you've seen that we've received a number of game-breaking bug reports since 1.12.0. 20151127 00:47:34< shadowm> An MP campaign that's actually a SP campaign retrofitted to have MP support. 20151127 00:47:57< gfgtdf> shadowm: i think we shodul keep LoW in 1.14 20151127 00:48:14< gfgtdf> shadowm: i also think it works quite well in 1.12.5 20151127 00:49:09< gfgtdf> shadowm: i know its not trivial to fix, and i think the main casue of teh probelms is really that those commits were pushed to 1.12 but not to maste rin teh first place 20151127 00:49:25< shadowm> Er, I was just talking about this with someone in private, please let's emphasize the "MP" part. Dropping LoW as a whole (SP + MP) isn't a possibility I want to consider, only disabling the MP mode if it proves unsustainable. 20151127 00:49:26< gfgtdf> shadowmLoW commits i mean 20151127 00:50:59< shadowm> I tried to track down the commits that need to be ported to both sides of the divergence (1.12 and master) some time around 1.12.1, but ultimately lost interest in the task... 20151127 00:51:14< shadowm> Later I tried to get Turuk to do it, he vanished entirely. 20151127 00:51:23< shadowm> Then I tried vultraz, he lost interest too. 20151127 00:53:12< shadowm> I wouldn't even attempt to convince zookeeper to take a look at it since he hates Git and the task requires some familiarity with Git tools. :p 20151127 00:53:14< gfgtdf> shadowm: I really think that currently most LoW problem effect both SP and MP. Afaik the only mp speific are balancing issues 20151127 00:55:06< shadowm> Okay so I think what I'm going to do is kill two birds with the same stone and playtest LoW (SP) using the SDL 2 branch. 20151127 00:55:14< gfgtdf> shadowm: and maybe the "entry point" thing but i think disableing entry points is less worse than disabling it for mp altogether 20151127 00:55:44< shadowm> "Entry point"? 20151127 00:57:15< gfgtdf> shadowm: In mp you can start the campaign at a later scenario. 20151127 00:57:22< gfgtdf> shadowm: for exmaple in scenario 4 20151127 00:57:30< shadowm> Ah, right... 20151127 00:57:56< gfgtdf> shadowm: hmm i think 1.13 LoW might actually lack https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/32862cf1a6657c32c61edf32bca16dd36c835dd5 20151127 00:58:26< shadowm> Yes, it does. 20151127 00:58:53< shadowm> It's easy to tell by running `git cherry-pick 32862cf1a6657c32c61edf32bca16dd36c835dd5` on master. :p 20151127 00:59:17< shadowm> Whether it's required or not is a different matter, though. 20151127 00:59:19< gfgtdf> shadowm: does that work without merging conflicts ? 20151127 00:59:24< shadowm> Yes. 20151127 01:00:05< gfgtdf> shadowm: can you push it ? 20151127 01:00:08< shadowm> And this is the hard part about resolving the big LoW divergence: it's not possible to tell with automated tools in all cases whether a given changeset is needed in both sides of the divergence. 20151127 01:00:12< shadowm> Sure. 20151127 01:00:49-!- irker565 [~irker@uruz.ai0867.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20151127 01:00:49< irker565> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 8a04442ce29d / data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/utils/low-macros.cfg: Fix Low Carryover http://git.io/vB2gj 20151127 01:04:17< gfgtdf> shadowm: thx 20151127 01:06:20-!- ancestral [~ancestral@184-100-99-25.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: i go nstuf kthxbai] 20151127 01:08:14-!- INSANU [~jhonny@177.156.53.143] has quit [Quit: ..(cyp): BitchX: contains phenylalanine] 20151127 01:14:25-!- ancestral [~ancestral@184-100-99-25.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20151127 01:16:54-!- vultraz [~chatzilla@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20151127 01:20:10-!- iceiceice [~chris@wesnoth/developer/iceiceice] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20151127 01:20:54-!- iceiceice [~chris@wesnoth/developer/iceiceice] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20151127 01:25:22-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@KD119104009026.au-net.ne.jp] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20151127 01:34:01< gfgtdf> shadowm: when testing LoW know that LoW has sone #ifdef DEBUG in the cfg files os it migth behave diffferently in debug mode 20151127 01:34:22< gfgtdf> hmm i just got an assertion failue in wesnothd 20151127 01:34:46< gfgtdf> but whe i pressed "debug" it didnt debug 20151127 01:36:31< gfgtdf> shadowm: so are we now plaaing on chraaypicking fabis LoW commits to master (which would prevent me from doing commits to LoW in master)? 20151127 01:38:38-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20151127 01:39:02< irker565> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 9d85887ed10a / changelog data/lua/wml-tags.lua: Add [remove_time_area] and allow [time_area] remove=yes to take an id list http://git.io/vB2rh 20151127 01:39:36< shadowm> gfgtdf: Why would that prevent you from that? 20151127 01:40:04< gfgtdf> shadowm: teh fear of mergign conflicts 20151127 01:41:00< shadowm> Uhhh, I'm not sure how that's any different from usual business? Everyone can make changes to files you are working on and cause conflicts, all the time. 20151127 01:41:52< shadowm> But if what you are saying is that you are working on LoW in master, then there's no need for me to do anything. 20151127 01:41:58< shadowm> *already working 20151127 01:42:35< gfgtdf> shadowm: no i'm not 20151127 01:42:56< shadowm> Then I don't understand what the hypothetical issue would be. 20151127 01:43:39< shadowm> (Not that I'm saying I want to work on LoW _right now_, no... I'll quickly lose interest like last time, and I'm currently busy with something else entirely.) 20151127 01:44:41< gfgtdf> shadowm: the isue was that if i do changes to Low then porting 1.12 LoW commits might be harder 20151127 01:45:42< shadowm> Well, yes, but that's how it's with everything else too (especially C++). 20151127 01:46:41< shadowm> master and any given X.Y stable branch can't remain mutually compatible forever, unless the idea is to keep Wesnoth in an eternal feature freeze. :p 20151127 01:46:44< gfgtdf> shadowm: I thought teh LoW changes are currently teh only ones that we are considering to forward port to master ? 20151127 01:47:38< shadowm> Yes, I said that there are LoW commits that exist in 1.12 but not in master and may be required in master; and, there are commits in master but not 1.12 that may be required in 1.12. 20151127 01:49:48< gfgtdf> there are also some changes like changing in maps or unit position in LoW 1.12 that i really cannot judge (like this https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/135d616631a29866aee8257177df29ee71ae540a), do we want to have n master too or not 20151127 01:50:24< shadowm> Yes, probably. 20151127 01:53:47< gfgtdf> shadowm: you started testing LoW ? 20151127 01:54:50-!- mjs-de [~mjs-de@f049128122.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20151127 01:54:58< shadowm> No. 20151127 01:55:20< shadowm> And I probably shouldn't do that until December 2nd since I've got some stuff to do in the meantime. 20151127 01:56:33< shadowm> Hm, I had forgotten that [time_area] remove=yes (and the undocumented wesnoth.remove_time_area function) already takes a comma-separated list, so 9d85887ed10a duplicates some functionality at the Lua level. 20151127 01:57:31< shadowm> celticminstrel, gfgtdf: Perhaps one of you has an opinion about whether these remove_foo functions/tags should parse the comma-separated id list in Lua or C++, in general? 20151127 01:57:54< shadowm> (remove_event, remove_time_area, and a prospective remove_sound_source.) 20151127 02:00:34-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@KD119104009026.au-net.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20151127 02:00:36< celticminstrel> Hmm. I think it would make sense for the Lua functions to take a list. 20151127 02:01:03< celticminstrel> Or even be variadic. 20151127 02:01:10< celticminstrel> (Using the ... magic variable.) 20151127 02:01:59< gfgtdf> shadowm: i actually think the wesnoth. functions shoudl have a lua interface and a comma seperated string is not simeting i'd usually use in lua to store arrays 20151127 02:02:22< celticminstrel> Does Lua have an apply function? 20151127 02:03:08< gfgtdf> shadowm: if those wesnoth.remove_ function are meant to be used for wml lua devs i think they shoudl just take a single item (except it is for some reason more efficient to take remove multiple itms at once) 20151127 02:03:31< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: well even if it doesnt have it shodul be too hard to write one 20151127 02:03:35< celticminstrel> I assume you mean "except if". 20151127 02:04:04< gfgtdf> yes s/it/if 20151127 02:04:09< celticminstrel> I wouldn't be so sure of that... 20151127 02:04:35< shadowm> gfgtdf: In that case I can just drop the comma splitting functionality from the C++ side (wesnoth.remove_time_area) and let Lua handle it. 20151127 02:04:36< celticminstrel> (The correction was an insertion, not a subsitution, BTW) 20151127 02:04:45< celticminstrel> ^substitution 20151127 02:05:06< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: right it shodul be an insertion and the 'take' can be removed 20151127 02:05:23< shadowm> celticminstrel: What's an apply function? Is it something like calling a function for each item in a container? 20151127 02:05:33< celticminstrel> No, that's... map I think? 20151127 02:05:49< shadowm> Yes, then I don't know. :p 20151127 02:05:54< celticminstrel> apply(fcn, list) where list = [1,2,3] is equivalent to fcn(1,2,3). 20151127 02:06:09< celticminstrel> Or it could be written as fcn.apply(list). 20151127 02:06:18< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: ok i also thought it was was shadown said 20151127 02:06:18-!- vultraz [~chatzilla@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20151127 02:06:26< celticminstrel> Ah. 20151127 02:06:29< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: there is afaik the unpack function 20151127 02:06:36< celticminstrel> Yeah, map is easy to implement, certainly. 20151127 02:06:57-!- vultraz [~chatzilla@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20151127 02:07:46< celticminstrel> And other foreach-type higher-order functions. 20151127 02:08:16< celticminstrel> There's probably another name for "apply". I'm using the name from JavaScript. 20151127 02:08:59< shadowm> Yeah, not that familiarized with Javascript myself. 20151127 02:09:24< celticminstrel> Anyway, if the Lua function is to take a comma-separated list as a string, I suppose that's fine, though it'd be good if it could also handle a Lua array. 20151127 02:10:49< shadowm> I'd rather make it take a single string instead. 20151127 02:11:07< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: i think taking a lua array would just make the interface even more complicated specialyl since it no real advantage ofver passing sngle arguments in a loop 20151127 02:11:33< shadowm> i.e. let the comma list be parsed by Lua before calling the engine, like with [remove_event]. 20151127 02:12:02< celticminstrel> Hmm. 20151127 02:12:18< shadowm> That'd also allow people to create time areas with commas in their ids using Lua if for whatever reason they feel like it. 20151127 02:12:36< celticminstrel> Wait what. 20151127 02:12:41< celticminstrel> Oh, using Lua. 20151127 02:13:10< celticminstrel> Okay, wait, so you're saying you'd prefer if the Lua function only ever removes exactly one. 20151127 02:13:19< shadowm> Yes. 20151127 02:14:07< celticminstrel> Eh, I guess. 20151127 02:26:15< shadowm> celticminstrel: I still get these warnings: 20151127 02:26:21< shadowm> 20151126 23:26:08 warning scripting/lua: wesnoth.put_unit(x, y, unit) is deprecated. Use wesnoth.put_unit(unit, x, y) instead 20151127 02:26:26< celticminstrel> Oh. 20151127 02:26:26< shadowm> Four of them at the start of the test scenario. 20151127 02:26:41< celticminstrel> That might've been what this commit was supposed to fix? https://github.com/CelticMinstrel/wesnoth/commit/73339b6c80fb6527530ac4e5705e7cc447d6eb3e 20151127 02:26:44-!- vultraz [~chatzilla@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20151127 02:26:46< celticminstrel> I'm not sure though. 20151127 02:26:50< celticminstrel> I forgot. 20151127 02:27:08< shadowm> I don't know the code so... 20151127 02:27:22< celticminstrel> I thought it had been integrated into master already, but I think it might not have been. 20151127 02:27:30< celticminstrel> Well... 20151127 02:27:34< celticminstrel> If I recall correctly... 20151127 02:27:53-!- vultraz [~chatzilla@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20151127 02:28:06< celticminstrel> There was a problem with the logic in determining whether old order or new order is being used. 20151127 02:28:26< celticminstrel> Oh, wait, hmm. 20151127 02:28:46< celticminstrel> That commit is a bit different after all... it eliminates faulty "invalid location" errors, I guess. 20151127 02:29:24< celticminstrel> Right, for deprecated warnings, you'd want to follow the instructions and move the unit argument to be the first argument. 20151127 02:29:42< celticminstrel> I think that commit is still important though... probably... 20151127 02:30:34< celticminstrel> It would've fixed an issue with placing a unit at its current location. 20151127 02:30:54< celticminstrel> ie, wesnoth.put_unit(unit) 20151127 02:31:26< celticminstrel> I think I was expecting it to be cherry-picked, but I suppose I could just make a PR for it. 20151127 02:33:16< irker565> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master de44790d7d96 / changelog src/scripting/game_lua_kernel.cpp: Make [*time_area] Lua API functions take a single time area id http://git.io/vB21P 20151127 02:33:35< shadowm> celticminstrel: You are a dev too, you know. 20151127 02:33:53< celticminstrel> You're saying I could just push it, right? That's true. 20151127 02:33:58< shadowm> Exactly. 20151127 02:35:54< shadowm> I guess time area-related functions belong under "Map and terrains" in LuaWML? 20151127 02:36:22< celticminstrel> I don't know if they are alrready, but I think it could be an appropriate place. 20151127 02:36:23< shadowm> But then wesnoth.get_time_of_day is under "User interface" for some mysterious reason. 20151127 02:36:25< celticminstrel> ^already 20151127 02:36:37< celticminstrel> Hm, I see. 20151127 02:37:15< shadowm> I suppose could move it to a whole new category... "Time of day schedule". 20151127 02:38:35< shadowm> I suspect these are not the only two functions introduced by the 1.11.11 - 1.13.0 Lua transition that aren't documented yet. :p 20151127 02:39:25< celticminstrel> There's a whole set of map location functions too. 20151127 02:39:28< shadowm> I don't intend to hunt down the rest, except for the implementation of [event]/[remove_event]; I'll just add them as I find out of their existence. 20151127 02:52:35-!- gfgtdf_ [~chatzilla@x50abdf8d.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20151127 02:54:25-!- gfgtdf [~chatzilla@f054150128.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20151127 02:54:30-!- gfgtdf_ is now known as gfgtdf 20151127 02:55:29-!- vultraz [~chatzilla@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20151127 02:55:43< shadowm> Fortunately I can cheap out on this documentation and point to the WML reference instead. :p 20151127 02:56:02-!- vultraz [~chatzilla@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20151127 02:57:04-!- gfgtdf [~chatzilla@x50abdf8d.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Client Quit] 20151127 02:57:27-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@KD119104010018.au-net.ne.jp] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20151127 03:10:23-!- shadowm_desktop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowm] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20151127 03:11:47-!- shadowm_desktop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowm] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20151127 03:16:20-!- vultraz [~chatzilla@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20151127 03:16:53-!- vultraz [~chatzilla@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20151127 03:23:40-!- travis-ci [~travis-ci@ec2-184-73-5-185.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20151127 03:23:41< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#7833 (master - de44790 : Ignacio R. 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The git diff marks more or less everything 20151127 20:08:36< gfgtdf> so it's hard to find out for me 20151127 20:09:44< irker740> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 6d47bd078055 / data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/ (12 files in 6 dirs): LoW cleanups http://git.io/vBoHF 20151127 20:14:09-!- iceiceice [~chris@wesnoth/developer/iceiceice] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20151127 20:22:47< gfgtdf> shadowm: since the mpserver used the forum accounts is it possible to make commands some server only wokring for forum mods/devs ? 20151127 20:27:45-!- gfgtdf [~chatzilla@x50abdf8d.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 42.0/20151029151421]] 20151127 20:31:24-!- gfgtdf [~chatzilla@x55b19d93.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20151127 20:31:55< gfgtdf> shadowm: i wanted to implement a command to query the wesnoth version of another player, do you think its pok if everyone can do that? 20151127 20:37:57-!- vultraz [~chatzilla@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20151127 20:39:20< gfgtdf> vultraz: any opinion on this ? 20151127 20:40:42< vultraz> gfgtdf: what about adding a fallback return statement if the context is empty? "if not context return" somewhere 20151127 20:42:11< gfgtdf> vultraz: uhm i dont really understand, but i assume that was not an opition about the 'query remote versnoth version' function? 20151127 20:42:13< vultraz> gfgtdf: RE LoW: I can manually reapply those commits 20151127 20:42:35< gfgtdf> vultraz: ok ty 20151127 20:42:57< vultraz> gfgtdf: the other thins is about your commit 59233ce90328 20151127 20:43:04< vultraz> "attempt to fix bug in [message]" 20151127 20:43:30< gfgtdf> vultraz: ah ok 20151127 20:43:58< gfgtdf> vultraz: do you know whether x1=nil imples x2 = nil ? 20151127 20:44:32< gfgtdf> vultraz: i think the bug happend becase teh scenario tried to use speaker="unit" in an even with no units (like side turn event) 20151127 20:44:50< vultraz> yeah if x1 is nil s2 will always be nil 20151127 20:44:55< vultraz> s/s2/x2 20151127 20:46:01< gfgtdf> vultraz: i coudl replace 'cfg.speaker == "unit"' with 'cfg.speaker == "unit" and context.x1' but i don't know whether that would be an imporovement 20151127 20:46:57< vultraz> gfgtdf: I think it would be better to just exit the function entirely if context doesn't exist, preferably right after the local var 'context' is assigned 20151127 20:47:09< vultraz> what you suggest isn't really an improvement 20151127 20:47:21< gfgtdf> vultraz: well then it woudlbe impossible to use [message] in tunr events. 20151127 20:47:40< vultraz> oh 20151127 20:47:46< vultraz> hm 20151127 20:47:54< vultraz> yeah I guess context would be empty there 20151127 20:48:18< vultraz> I guess what you committed works, then 20151127 20:48:24< vultraz> let's see what celticminstrel says 20151127 20:48:37< celticminstrel> If speaker is unit or second unit but that unit doesn't exist, just return immediately? Maybe with a log message. 20151127 20:48:58< gfgtdf> vultraz: it wouldnt be empty but it would not have x1 and y1 20151127 20:49:52< celticminstrel> Basically what vultraz said, but only when speaker is unit or second unit. 20151127 20:50:01< vultraz> celticminstrel: is "speaker = wesnoth.get_unit(context.x1, context.y1) or return" valid? 20151127 20:50:12< celticminstrel> Good question. 20151127 20:50:32< gfgtdf> vultraz: then wesnoth.get_unit(context.x1, context.y1) woudl still be called (which gives teh error) 20151127 20:50:46< celticminstrel> It's not valid. 20151127 20:50:58< celticminstrel> "return" is not an expression. 20151127 20:51:00< vultraz> gfgtdf: hhmmm... maybe we should put this in get_unit's implementation then 20151127 20:51:31< celticminstrel> I don't see how that would do anything? 20151127 20:51:44< celticminstrel> Unless get_unit doesn't already return nil if the unit doesn't exist. 20151127 20:51:46< gfgtdf> vultraz: hm no i think the error on nil arguments is usualy what you want becasue usualy the nil as parameter usualy relaly indicated a programmers mistake 20151127 20:52:01< celticminstrel> Oh right, the parameter is nil here, 20151127 20:52:32< celticminstrel> It's not -1 or something? 20151127 20:53:14< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: the error message said 'expected string, localaction talbe or integer' so i assumes it is not a string, localaction talbe or integer 20151127 20:53:21< gfgtdf> assumed* 20151127 20:53:37< celticminstrel> What's the middle one? 20151127 20:53:48< celticminstrel> Not that it matters, I guess. 20151127 20:54:01< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: idk, i tought you rewroite that function recently? 20151127 20:54:07< celticminstrel> So it's not -1 or -999 or -1000 or anything like that. 20151127 20:54:20< celticminstrel> Uh, I was assuming you mispelled it. 20151127 20:54:35< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: ah yes i did 20151127 20:54:46< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: here is teh original image: http://i.imgur.com/9B7bquA.png 20151127 20:54:52< celticminstrel> I don't remember what I wrote that long ago. 20151127 20:55:12< celticminstrel> Oh right, location table, ie a table containing x and y. 20151127 20:55:45< gfgtdf> vultraz, celticminstrel: any opinion on "command to query the wesnoth version of another player, do you think its pok if everyone can do that?" 20151127 20:56:02< vultraz> i think it's ok 20151127 20:57:36< vultraz> mightbe useful when reporting OOS 20151127 21:01:55< gfgtdf> hmm seems liek tghe loging procedure is much more complicated than i thought 20151127 21:08:47< gfgtdf> vultraz: do you know of someone has playerd LoW chaper5 in MP ? 20151127 21:10:20< vultraz> not that I know of 20151127 21:13:21< gfgtdf> vultraz: did you already ported to mainline campaigns to team_id= syntax ? 20151127 21:22:51< vultraz> gfgtdf: no im waiting for us to decide if we want to name team_name something else (example team_string but that sucks) so EH can complete the wmllint patch so I can do it en masse 20151127 21:24:30< gfgtdf> vultraz: so so i didn't acciudnelty revert some team_id change patch in LoW :) 20151127 21:24:41< vultraz> nope 20151127 21:26:42< gfgtdf> vultraz: i think we shoudl remove the EL_ISOMITHIR and GALTRID sides in LoW scenario 14 and put its units to sides 1 and 2, i mean that scenario has 6 human sides otherwise 20151127 21:26:54< gfgtdf> human playable 20151127 21:26:56< vultraz> o_O 20151127 21:26:58< vultraz> 6?? 20151127 21:27:02< vultraz> the fuck?? 20151127 21:27:35< vultraz> that's too many 20151127 21:27:43< vultraz> gfgtdf: I support that 20151127 21:30:46-!- louis94 [~~louis94@109.129.245.154] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20151127 21:40:43< gfgtdf> vultraz: wait i think it might actually have 7 human sides. 20151127 21:49:49< irker740> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master fe3adedcf6a8 / data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/ (6 files in 5 dirs): more LoW cleanups http://git.io/vBKmX 20151127 21:59:16< vultraz> gfgtdf: can I reapply the cleanup commits to LoW that got reverted now? 20151127 22:00:15< gfgtdf> yes you can (note that the edited files might have changed) 20151127 22:12:20-!- framling [~user@c-50-186-43-50.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20151127 22:15:55-!- Kwandulin [~Miranda@p200300760F6D9F53247D52C0FDF501FA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20151127 22:17:11-!- louis94 [~~louis94@109.129.245.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20151127 22:19:25< irker740> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 498a79060e8a / data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/ (4 files in 4 dirs): LoW: moved North Elves common village setup into a file http://git.io/vBKGj 20151127 22:19:28< irker740> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 1e45c14e6825 / data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Manually reapply d6c67db110b6ed37 http://git.io/vBKZe 20151127 22:19:31< irker740> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master adb894dd21a0 / data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/ (11 files in 5 dirs): wmlindent pass http://git.io/vBKZv 20151127 22:19:34< irker740> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 9f8b70282813 / data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/maps/ (13 files): Manually reapply 376ffc16efd1c36 http://git.io/vBKZf 20151127 22:19:37< irker740> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 691c4c4ae4d6 / data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/masks/ (8 files): Manually reapply a1e66d6f2a4ca http://git.io/vBKZJ 20151127 22:19:40< irker740> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master f751739aeab3 / data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/chapter1/03_Kalian_under_Attack.cfg: Manually reapply 730453cf01c242b http://git.io/vBKZU 20151127 22:19:41< vultraz> gfgtdf: ^ 20151127 22:20:28< vultraz> (first one has a commit message because i could just cherry pick it) 20151127 22:22:49< celticminstrel> You couldn't cherry-pick the others? 20151127 22:23:48< vultraz> no 20151127 22:24:11< vultraz> well, possibly the last two but I just did them over to be safe 20151127 22:24:55< celticminstrel> Why? 20151127 22:25:08< vultraz> in case the maps were changed 20151127 22:25:26< celticminstrel> What's wrong with maps being changed? 20151127 22:25:46< celticminstrel> Unless the commits you're cherry-picking also affect the maps. 20151127 22:25:58< vultraz> well I guess in that case the cherry pick wouldn't work... 20151127 22:26:04< vultraz> celticminstrel: the last two are saving them in new format 20151127 22:26:23< celticminstrel> It wouldn't've hurt to try it first, right? 20151127 22:27:00< celticminstrel> If the commits don't touch the maps, I don't think it would matter if the maps had changed. 20151127 22:27:34< vultraz> oh well, it doesn't really matter 20151127 22:27:42< celticminstrel> That's true, I suppose. 20151127 22:32:04< gfgtdf> vultraz: thy 20151127 22:32:07< gfgtdf> thx* 20151127 22:43:47-!- louis94 [~~louis94@109.129.245.154] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20151127 23:19:37-!- gfgtdf [~chatzilla@x55b19d93.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 42.0/20151029151421]] 20151127 23:48:03-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish.] --- Log closed Sat Nov 28 00:00:06 2015