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20151111 12:50:35< Snark> hi
20151111 12:51:30< Snark> my son is complaining because he is in the editor, and found a nice "Custom time schedule" window where he can change the hues of the periods -- except that the changes get lost
20151111 12:51:50< Snark> is that a known problem ?
20151111 12:57:02< Necrosporus> Snark, it should be saved separately probably?
20151111 12:58:10< Snark> Necrosporus: well, he's right in the editing window, moves the scales and sees the hue change... and when he changes the page back and forth, everything is lost
20151111 12:58:18< Necrosporus> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/BuildingMaps
20151111 12:58:44< Necrosporus> Snark, what do you mean changes the page back and forth?
20151111 13:04:34< Necrosporus> Where do you set scales?
20151111 13:04:39< Necrosporus> What version do you use?
20151111 13:06:18< Necrosporus> Snark, have you tried to save scenario options?
20151111 13:06:41< Necrosporus> Also you can edit those hues manually probably 
20151111 13:06:54< Necrosporus> Scenario editing in map was introduced just recently
20151111 13:10:10< Snark> he has a window "Custom time schedule" in the editor, where he can change page to choose the periods, and the page for each period has scalers for the red/green/blue value
20151111 13:10:13< zookeeper> yeah it can't save the schedule stuff into the map directly
20151111 13:10:22< Snark> zookeeper: ah
20151111 13:10:23< zookeeper> you'd have to make a scenario and mess with WML and all that nasty stuff
20151111 13:10:35< Snark> so the GUI is there but doesn't quite work
20151111 13:10:46< Snark> is it a work in progress or a bug
20151111 13:10:48< Snark> ?
20151111 13:11:28< Necrosporus> Snark, it's meant to generate code for scenario
20151111 13:12:03< Necrosporus> if you save only map but not scenario, shedule changes are not saved
20151111 13:12:18< Necrosporus> Since map could only contain terrains
20151111 13:13:33< Snark> Necrosporus: no, the changes aren't even saved if you click "Ok" or change the period you're looking at
20151111 13:17:22< Necrosporus> Snark, what wesnoth version?
20151111 13:17:36< Necrosporus> I can't find such thing in 1.12.5 which is latest stable
20151111 13:19:08< Snark> wesnoth 1.13.1 (shipped in Debian unstable)
20151111 13:26:21< zookeeper> work in progress, except i suppose no one's working on it
20151111 13:27:35< Necrosporus> Snark, 13 is in early stage of development, expect lots of bugs or unfinished features
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20151111 15:57:22< Snark> Necrosporus: ok -- I just wanted to know if something was amiss :-)
20151111 15:57:40< Necrosporus> That's nice, I guess
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20151111 17:21:13< qolen> Is there a way to move units with only the keyboard?
20151111 17:21:28< qolen> There seems to be keyboard shortcuts for pretty much everything else
20151111 17:21:41< qolen> but I can't figure out how to move units
20151111 17:24:32< qolen> One could either do it by using e.g. hjkl to move the selected tile, or say "move to the tile at location x,y" but there doesn't seem to be an option for either
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20151111 17:27:54< zookeeper> qolen, then there probably isn't
20151111 17:29:38< zookeeper> but yeah there certainly could be
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20151111 17:30:53< qolen> zookeeper: is there a mod of wesnoth that has better keyboard control?
20151111 17:31:00< qolen> slash how hard is it to mod wesnoth?
20151111 17:33:07< zookeeper> it's easy to add new content, but usually hard or impossible to mod core features of the game, such as controls
20151111 17:33:27< qolen> ah
20151111 17:33:34< qolen> that sucks
20151111 17:33:46< zookeeper> it might be possible to add something resembling keyboard hex selection in a hacky way
20151111 17:34:00< qolen> Maybe ill take a look at it though. I see now that it's open source
20151111 17:34:36< zookeeper> well if you have c++ experience then it might not be terribly hard to add optional keyboard controls for navigating the hexmap
20151111 17:35:08< zookeeper> doing so in WML would be... complicated but _maybe_ possible. i don't know for sure since i never thought about it before.
20151111 17:35:59< qolen> What's WML? I have not very much C++ experience, but I know C.
20151111 17:37:02< zookeeper> it's the mark-up/scripting'ish language used for all the content in the game
20151111 17:37:24< qolen> Oh I see
20151111 17:37:29< qolen> yeah, probably not possible in that then
20151111 17:38:48< qolen> Now I'm wondering if it would be possible to make a new client for the game. Like, use the existing code for all of the major stuff and just write a new front-end
20151111 17:39:51< qolen> because it would be kind of fun to have a Dwarf-Fortress style text-based client
20151111 17:41:55< zookeeper> a whole new client would be a massive project, but i believe the game can already run in a graphicless mode of some kind, so maybe one could just start with that and build an alternative renderer
20151111 17:42:32< zookeeper> (that mode has been used for automated AI testing and such)
20151111 17:44:15< qolen> how is that different from building a new client?
20151111 17:44:51< zookeeper> because "a new client" basically encompasses the whole game :P
20151111 17:45:00< zookeeper> sans the actual content
20151111 17:46:11< vultraz> no no no, not  text-based client!
20151111 17:46:14< vultraz> not a*
20151111 17:46:18< qolen> right. I'm still confused. maybe I didn't mean the same thing by new client
20151111 17:46:23< qolen> vultraz: why not?
20151111 17:46:23< vultraz> let's not go backwards in time here
20151111 17:46:23< zookeeper> probably
20151111 17:46:48< elias> could maybe "abuse" the network code... someone runs hte actual Wesnoth, then the "client" would only have to send/receive network WML commands
20151111 17:46:50< vultraz> qolen: we're trying to focus on making the game more modern and flashy, not 90's-style
20151111 17:46:53< elias> still a huge undertaking I think
20151111 17:47:08< qolen> nono. instead of going backwards in time, let's hate on other people's asthetic and interface tastes
20151111 17:47:27< elias> vultraz: you mean 80s style - and I for one do like text-mode interfaces to games :)
20151111 17:47:52< qolen> vultraz: If that's what, you don't have to help with the project. I don't see why you need to discourage other people from doing something they think is worthwhile with their spare time
20151111 17:48:02 * elias goes back to playing nethack
20151111 17:48:17< qolen> thanks elias :)
20151111 17:48:41< qolen> elias: and that's an interesting idea. I'll look into it
20151111 17:49:28< elias> qolen: I don't really know how it works, it may not gain you anything, depending on how it works
20151111 17:50:24< qolen> elias: worth checking out anyhow
20151111 17:50:55< vultraz> qolen: no offense intended. I just meant that's not the direction we (the devs) are trying to take the project. If you want to create your own client by all means do so :)
20151111 17:51:52< qolen> vultraz: Oh alright. Thanks for letting me know. I'll try to avoid bugging y'all about it then.
20151111 18:01:46< zookeeper> vultraz, well isn't it obvious that such a client would not like, replace the current game?
20151111 18:03:18< zookeeper> and that no one would think that we're trying to take the game into the direction of text-basedness
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