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20151202 02:11:46< shadowm> ancestral: Did you see my email?
20151202 02:12:14< ancestral> I see it now
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20151202 04:44:32< shadowm> It's December and clang still doesn't support GCC 5's ABI extensions so I still can't use it on Linux. \o/
20151202 04:46:55< shadowm> There's even a patch that's been sitting awaiting review since September.
20151202 04:47:32< shadowm> Not that I _couldn't_ use clang if I really wanted to, I'd just have to build my own Boost.
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20151202 08:14:23< Aginor> aquileia: reproducing it seems to be easy for him, but I need stack traces and I'd like someone to validate a couple of variables. unless I can reproduce it I'm unable to debug on my own
20151202 08:15:16< Aginor> aquileia: I'd be more than happy to try to synchronise with you and we can try to do some sort of distributed peer debugging if you're interested in that
20151202 08:26:37< shadowm> Well, now I know for sure it wasn't me. :p
20151202 08:26:44< shadowm> Er.
20151202 08:26:55< shadowm> Never mind, I forgot I was scrolled up to yesterday.
20151202 08:36:34< Aginor> getting a tight loop wrong that's allocating memory makes your computer suffer
20151202 08:36:45< Aginor> especially when you turn it into an infinite loop
20151202 08:37:37< Aginor> I think this was the first time in a long time I used my swap partition
20151202 08:38:07< shadowm> Lots of RAM?
20151202 08:38:19< Aginor> only 16g
20151202 08:38:47< shadowm> Oh, same as me then.
20151202 08:38:53< Aginor> I was running experiments at home for my research at some stage so I needed to beef up a bit
20151202 08:39:22< Aginor> in the end it turned out to be insufficient as the datasets grew so I went off and used clusters and big honking servers
20151202 08:41:47< Aginor> bah, linux should be more agressive with getting things out of the swap again
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20151202 08:58:37< aquileia> Aginor: I compiled a Debug build of your branch with non-abysmal performance (by default, MSVC bloats Debug builds with stack validity checks)
20151202 08:59:00< Aginor> aquileia: I'm pleased to hear that
20151202 08:59:05< Aginor> did you break it too? :)
20151202 08:59:26< aquileia> However, I've got a presentation later today, so it'd be nice if you could just leave instructions on how to reproduce the bug in the log
20151202 08:59:50< Aginor> aquileia: resize the screen repeatedly at the main menu
20151202 09:03:01< Aginor> shadowm: do you think I have provided sufficient detail on https://bugzilla.libsdl.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3096?
20151202 09:04:57< shadowm> Sure, although that's not for me to decide of course. :p
20151202 09:07:20< shadowm> Considering my own bug is still untouched after 1 year and 1 month...
20151202 09:09:03< Aginor> shadowm: yes, but I figured I'd better provide more detail since they asked for it
20151202 09:09:13< Aginor> I did manage to forget for a couple of weeks though :D
20151202 09:10:45< Aginor> I've started to set up a win7 VM as well now
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20151202 09:24:04< aquileia> Aginor: I may have to build SDL2 with debug symbols to get further in: http://pastebin.com/h9WbU2rK
20151202 09:25:21< Aginor> if you can go into sdl_blit and check the values of src->pixels and dst->pixels it'd be awesome
20151202 09:25:31< Aginor> I want to know if either points to invalid data
20151202 09:26:11< Aginor> I'd also like to know OS, build environment, SDL2 version and whether you used an official website release or built your own
20151202 09:27:05< shadowm_desktop2> Hardware.
20151202 09:27:28< Aginor> yes, and hardware :)
20151202 09:29:50< aquileia> Most of that should be in the .dmp I created... don't know whether it's a MSVC specific format though or universally useful?
20151202 09:30:20< Aginor> I suspect MSVC and that I require the same versions as you and your binary
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20151202 09:30:49< Aginor> aquileia: which version of VS?
20151202 09:31:01< Aginor> I'm about to start a download so I want to get it right :D
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20151202 09:32:50< aquileia> VC12 (2013) but I'd suggest the 2015 version - Visual Studio is fully backward compatible up to the 2005 version
20151202 09:33:10< Aginor> aquileia: which OS?
20151202 09:33:24< aquileia> Win 8.1
20151202 09:33:26< Aginor> VS2015 doesn't work with win7 at the least
20151202 09:33:35< Aginor> aquileia: video card?
20151202 09:33:54< aquileia> Nvidia GT 750M
20151202 09:34:26< Aginor> I hope it's not an nvidia bug, that'd be awkward for me :/
20151202 09:34:59< Aginor> aquileia: did you download SDL 2.0.3 from the website?
20151202 09:35:05< aquileia> Yes
20151202 09:35:39< Aginor> aquileia: did you check out the sdl2 branch and not just enable it on mainline? :D
20151202 09:36:05< aquileia> Aginor: Yes, I did
20151202 09:36:26< aquileia> But could we continue later on, please?
20151202 09:37:45< Aginor> aquileia: yes, sorry
20151202 09:37:52< Aginor> I was getting excited :)
20151202 09:38:36< Aginor> I will be going to bed shortly, but I would be delighted if you could help me more at some time in the near future
20151202 09:43:40< aquileia> Aginor: BTW, if I understand correctly VC2015 works on Windows 7 SP1 although Windows 8.1 is recommended
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20151202 09:44:29< aquileia> All MSVC devs might soon need to switch to the 2015 version due to C++11 support
20151202 09:44:34< aquileia> that
20151202 09:44:52< aquileia> that's why I'd suggest using the newest version if at all possible
20151202 09:45:29< aquileia> But now I'm off
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20151202 10:20:32< irker126> wesnoth: Andreas Löf wesnoth:sdl2 3a5b122325cc / src/events.cpp: Peek for redraw events after each call to SDL_PollEvent. http://git.io/vRUb6
20151202 10:21:21< Aginor> aquileia: I had a small epiphany and made a commit. I'd appreciate it if you could pull and test that one too please
20151202 10:29:25< loonycyborg> hmm I'm going to try sdl branch in my windows xp build environment after all
20151202 10:29:43< loonycyborg> only real problem that I multiboot there
20151202 10:29:49< loonycyborg> generally kinda lazy for that
20151202 10:29:49< Aginor> loonycyborg: please do
20151202 10:31:08< Aginor> I can't argue with that
20151202 10:31:32< Aginor> if my VM fails I can finally give native windows a go after hardware purchases
20151202 10:31:41< Aginor> but it's also hassle :)
20151202 10:32:24< Aginor> anyhow, I need to go to bed
20151202 10:32:30< Aginor> see you all
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20151202 11:12:38< aquileia> Aginor: [src,dst].resource.pixels both point to blank but valid memory. src_rect is NULL.
20151202 11:18:44< aquileia> dst.resource.pixels starts at 0x0f3c0000 and is 1505x872 px large, with 4 byte per pixel that'd reach past 0x00f71f000 where the access violation occurred... or do i miscalculate?
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20151202 12:39:40< wedge009> Aginor: That SDL bug report 3096, that's the one that produced the craziness-on-scrolling when we started this fun sdl2 experiment, isn't it?
20151202 12:40:18< wedge009> Aginor: aquileia: Also, didn't follow the whole conversation, but VC14/2015 most definitely works on Windows 7 (SP1) as that's what I use.
20151202 12:43:17< wedge009> Aginor: I almost had time to start working on Wesnoth again - are you looking to test something in Windows?
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20151202 13:28:02< loonycyborg> ok, I've updated my build environment on winxp to use TDM gcc 5.1 and sdl2
20151202 13:28:13< loonycyborg> wesnoth still seems to run fine :P
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20151202 14:41:13< loonycyborg> I think I found an issue with sdl2
20151202 14:41:28< loonycyborg> it doesn't always save window position
20151202 14:42:10< loonycyborg> if I run it in window with -r 800x600
20151202 14:42:11< loonycyborg> then maximize it
20151202 14:42:11< loonycyborg> then on next run it's window again
20151202 14:42:24< loonycyborg> sdl1 remembers it properly
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20151202 14:53:59< celticminstrel> Maximize is still a window.
20151202 14:54:12< celticminstrel> Do you mean you set it to fullscreen?
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20151202 15:01:55< loonycyborg> celticminstrel: no, exactly maximize
20151202 15:02:10< loonycyborg> it sets resolution to equal available sceen space
20151202 15:02:19< loonycyborg> and with sdl is saved properly
20151202 15:03:23< loonycyborg> basically with sdl1 if you maximize wesnoth's window it behaves properly, like any other maximized window
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20151202 15:03:56< loonycyborg> and on next run window is still maximized
20151202 15:04:26< loonycyborg> with sdl2 if you maximize window then on next run it has same size that it had before getting maximized
20151202 15:04:39< celticminstrel> Maximize wouldn't quite use all the screen-space, since the titlebar and (potentially) taskbar still take up space...
20151202 15:04:54< celticminstrel> I get that there is definitely a problem here, mind you.
20151202 15:04:58< loonycyborg> yes, it keeps titlebar too
20151202 15:05:03< loonycyborg> and respects panels
20151202 15:05:07< loonycyborg> such as gkrellm
20151202 15:05:57< loonycyborg> it's my favorite way to run wesnoth, I still keep panels and can easily switch to other applications
20151202 15:06:20< loonycyborg> I don't use fullscreen
20151202 15:06:26< celticminstrel> I don't either.
20151202 15:06:37< celticminstrel> For any game on my Mac I disable it if possible.
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20151202 15:15:52< irker125> wesnoth: loonycyborg wesnoth:sdl2 f709b8ee8fb1 / SConstruct: scons: Added an option to support using multilib gcc in 32-bit mode http://git.io/vRkdF
20151202 15:17:56< irker125> wesnoth: loonycyborg wesnoth:master 3fd592c2e2a6 / SConstruct: scons: added ctool option to specify c compiler command http://git.io/vRkF1
20151202 15:17:58< irker125> wesnoth: loonycyborg wesnoth:master e9eb8d316fa8 / SConstruct: scons: Added an option to support using multilib gcc in 32-bit mode http://git.io/vRkFM
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20151202 17:04:19< aidanhs> it appears if I restrict myself to just #wesnoth and #wesnoth-dev it'll be ~50MB which seems more reasonable, so I'll do that
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20151202 18:17:49< Aginor> wedge009: yes, that's the bug
20151202 18:18:11< Aginor> wedge009: yes, I'm trying to get things set up so I can debug myself in windows
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20151202 19:47:51< neverEnough> zookeeper, 30/11 u pointed me http://wiki.wesnoth.org/CommandMode (thx for the link). Anyway it didn't solve my concerns about "shifting my host ability to an other ingame player". 
20151202 19:48:02< neverEnough> probably i didn't express myself very well last time
20151202 19:48:37< neverEnough> i didn't mean to just "give control" of a side but to give away the responsability of workin on it 
20151202 19:49:07< neverEnough> since i may be doin other stuffs when the popup appears when someone leaves
20151202 19:51:11< Ravana_> from what I have seen only way to switch host is leaving and rejoining game
20151202 19:52:55< neverEnough> yes, but since that part is already coded would be pretty easy (and i think usefull!) to add it as commandline feature
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20151202 19:54:05< neverEnough> (just discussing if it brings some interests)
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20151202 20:11:34< zookeeper> neverEnough, oh, right. yeah i don't think there's a way to transfer hostness, except of course by the host leaving.
20151202 20:11:46< gfgtdf> neverEnough: its currently impossibel to give host to another player
20151202 20:12:38< gfgtdf> neverEnough: you can easily see that the 'is_host' variable is never set to false currently after it was set to true
20151202 20:13:25< gfgtdf> neverEnough: i think it might make sense to implement that
20151202 20:13:47< gfgtdf> neverEnough: but usually i wouldnt see a reason to give that power away :p
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20151202 20:16:40< neverEnough> gfgtdf, i'm a damn busy kind of player :P When i'm host then way too often game gets messed since i don't notice leavers ^_^
20151202 20:16:59< gfgtdf> neverEnough: hm ok
20151202 20:17:14< gfgtdf> neverEnough: you have a plan on how to implement it ?
20151202 20:18:08< neverEnough> gfgtdf, no not really. I'm lookin how to rework the network stuff atm, but i'm pushing such ideas for the future
20151202 20:18:48< gfgtdf> neverEnough: i actually don't think you need to rework the newwtrk suff for that
20151202 20:19:05< gfgtdf> neverEnough: also note that loonycyborg is currently reworingin teh network stuff
20151202 20:19:39< neverEnough> doh i guess u totally missed my previous talks with shadowm
20151202 20:20:26< neverEnough> hm i'm about creating a wiki page to have a central discussion point, since i'm still unsure what would be best approach
20151202 20:20:39< loonycyborg> any changes to wesnothd would likely result in conflicts with my work
20151202 20:20:51< loonycyborg> client side changes are fine though
20151202 20:20:53< neverEnough> loonycyborg, uh? what u workin on?
20151202 20:21:20< loonycyborg> changing wesnothd to use asio instead of sdl-net
20151202 20:21:30< neverEnough> ah ok
20151202 20:22:26< neverEnough> my point is about why the hell does ingame user login/logoff gets notificated via a message such "user has logged into the lobby" when we have the great wml stack
20151202 20:22:58< neverEnough> also, when u join a game u are completely ignored for wml user/games diffs, kinda isolated
20151202 20:23:32< neverEnough> this involves completely diferent code about messages when ingame or in lobby
20151202 20:23:36< neverEnough> (on client side)
20151202 20:23:52< neverEnough> so my task was about mainly merging client side code
20151202 20:24:19< gfgtdf> neverEnough: what do you mean by great wml stack?
20151202 20:24:21< neverEnough> but also minor changes on server side to standardize the updates
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20151202 20:25:10< neverEnough> hm bad sentence. I meant wml is very good for anything network related
20151202 20:25:19< neverEnough> let's say the "wesnoth protocol"
20151202 20:25:26< neverEnough> (not tcp lower level)
20151202 20:25:51< neverEnough> hmm application-level sounds better?
20151202 20:25:55< gfgtdf> neverEnough: so you want to replcae teh 'had logged on into lobby" messages?
20151202 20:26:14< neverEnough> dunno atm what should be better
20151202 20:26:50< neverEnough> shadowm proposed to use this message for both the ingame and lobby (reducing the user_list_diff use)
20151202 20:27:22< aidanhs> how long (as an order of magnitude) does it take to compile wesnoth from scratch on a modern laptop? e.g. 5min, 50min, 500min
20151202 20:28:03< neverEnough> but this will be a limit: when u will have wml userlists sent also ingame then u will be able to get notifications when ur friend joins a game (and u can follow him)  
20151202 20:28:03< iceiceice> 1 core or multiple cores?
20151202 20:28:04< loonycyborg> wesnothd has multi-room functionality, I wonder if someone actually is using it?
20151202 20:28:12< neverEnough> that would be a nice new feature
20151202 20:28:24< gfgtdf> loonycyborg: i dont think so
20151202 20:28:31< iceiceice> aidanhs: you can look at the timings of the travis builds if you want, its like 25-30 minutes to build i think with 2 cores
20151202 20:28:41< gfgtdf> loonycyborg: afaik thi can only be seen with the new gui2 lobby.
20151202 20:28:41< loonycyborg> I could just drop it, only leaving one lobby
20151202 20:28:43< iceiceice> or at least it was some time ago
20151202 20:29:03< loonycyborg> it still can be accessed via commands iirc
20151202 20:30:25< gfgtdf> loonycyborg: a quick /rooms test on the mp server says noone is currently usng rooms
20151202 20:31:09< loonycyborg> as I expected
20151202 20:31:24< loonycyborg> but it never hurts to ask :P
20151202 20:33:27< aidanhs> iceiceice: ah I didn't think of CI, thanks. looks like 30min is still about right, which is quicker than I was expecting!
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20151202 21:13:20< Chris868> I am working on the map diff tool mention in Easy Coding. I think the best way to implement this would be as a command line command, but I am not sure where in the source code I could add it. Could someone help me out?
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20151202 21:17:13< gfgtdf> Chris868: well there is the commandline_options.cpp file
20151202 21:18:34< gfgtdf> Chris868: you an also see teh commits in the hitory of the file to see how commandline options were added
20151202 21:22:11< Chris868> gfgtdf: Thanks! I'll keep looking around and let you know if I need more help
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