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20151203 00:42:07< irker473> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 739324013e3b / data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/ (6 files in 4 dirs): more LoW fixes http://git.io/vRmeP
20151203 00:42:07< irker473> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master ebbbd49024da / data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/chapter2/04_The_Elvish_Treasury.cfg: more LoW fixes http://git.io/vRmeX
20151203 00:42:08< irker473> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 6e6fc464b279 / data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/chapter2/04_The_Elvish_Treasury.cfg: more LoW cleanups http://git.io/vRme1
20151203 00:42:09< irker473> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master f5d1332e1d91 / data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/ (6 files in 2 dirs): more LoW cleanups http://git.io/vRmeM
20151203 00:42:10< irker473> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master f01fe682bcbd / src/ (game_classification.cpp team.cpp team.hpp unit.cpp unit_types.cpp): use parse() instead of lexical_cast_default() for MAKE_ENUM types http://git.io/vRmeD
20151203 00:42:11< irker473> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 12716fb27fdf / src/savegame.cpp: removed outcommented code http://git.io/vRme9
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20151203 08:07:40< aquileia> Aginor: Didn't see your new commit until now, so the info on dst.resources.pixels was from before that
20151203 08:08:32< aquileia> I'll test again with your new commit
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20151203 08:47:54< vultraz> Aginor, wedge009: would either of you be able to come to fosdem in January, assuming wesnoth got involved?
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20151203 08:58:49< wedge009> vultraz: It's in Brussels? I've already made plans for other destinations, unfortunately, in December, February and May.
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20151203 09:02:51< vultraz> wedge009: yes, 30th and 31st
20151203 09:05:34< Aginor> vultraz: unless someone is buying me a ticket I can't come
20151203 09:06:55< Aginor> and even if someone was to do that it'd still be iffy with the timings for me :)
20151203 09:11:10< vultraz> I *might* (big might) be able to manage it, but again, need someone to get a ticket =P 
20151203 09:12:17< vultraz> I'm hoping wesnoth could cover part of the costs for interested people, should there be enough general interest
20151203 09:12:29< vultraz> So I'm just seeing how many people might be interested
20151203 09:12:32< Aginor> loonycyborg: thanks for the scons love on the sdl2 branch :)
20151203 09:13:31< Aginor> vultraz: getting me there wouldn't be an efficient use of money. An airline ticket for me would be around US $3k in economy with this short notice
20151203 09:14:09< Aginor> which isn't something I'm happy to pay out of my own pocket for a go-there-and-immediately-come-back type event
20151203 09:15:22< wedge009> That's reasonable, vultraz. No harm in asking.
20151203 09:15:45< Aginor> yes
20151203 09:15:59< Aginor> I think it'd be more reasonable to sponsor vultraz than me
20151203 09:22:31< loonycyborg> yeah, got those commits there first because they were needed to make my new tdm-mingw-64 setup work
20151203 09:22:40< loonycyborg> and mingww64 is needed for sdl2
20151203 09:23:15< Aginor> yup
20151203 09:23:58< Aginor> loonycyborg: are you looking at cmake as well or are you just focusing on scons?
20151203 09:24:32< loonycyborg> using only scons everywhere atm
20151203 09:26:28< Aginor> fair enough
20151203 09:27:29< Aginor> I had to go through some rigmarole to get mingw64 running with linux and cmake, but I didn't do it properly because I wasn't quite sure what it should be
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20151203 09:47:58< fabi> vultraz: "assuming wesnoth get involved". We are already 5 people meeting there now.
20151203 09:49:02< vultraz> 5, you say?
20151203 09:49:08< fabi> yeah
20151203 09:50:17< vultraz> who?
20151203 09:51:13< fabi> Ivanovic, Mordante, YoggiHH, grycywac (most likely spelled wrong) and myself.
20151203 09:51:35< fabi> Maybe Rhonda is joining us as well.
20151203 09:55:33 * Rhonda . o O ( this constant pressure … )
20151203 09:55:38< Aginor> I'd like to come but it simply isn't very feasible for me :/
20151203 09:55:48< Rhonda> Where are you from?
20151203 09:55:52< vultraz> mordante???
20151203 09:56:00< Aginor> Sweden, but I live in New Zealand
20151203 09:56:02< vultraz> really??
20151203 09:56:12< fabi> Why not?
20151203 09:56:23< fabi> Mordante has always been at FOSDEM.
20151203 09:58:57< vultraz> he hasn't been involved with wesnoth for years
20151203 09:59:04< Rhonda> It's not like he has to travel far to get there. :)
20151203 09:59:29< vultraz> tru
20151203 09:59:34< vultraz> unlike myself. :P
20151203 10:00:16< Aginor> things like that makes me feel like I should move back to europe
20151203 10:00:53< fabi> Aginor: :-)
20151203 10:01:16< fabi> Aginor: Isn't new zealand a dream?
20151203 10:01:43< vultraz> NZ = Middle Earth 
20151203 10:01:49< fabi> yeah
20151203 10:03:19< Aginor> fabi: it's also very far away from many things
20151203 10:03:28< Aginor> including families
20151203 10:10:18< fabi> I see. 
20151203 10:11:11< Aginor> and large job markets and all of those things too
20151203 10:11:41< Aginor> although I don't think I'm leaving in a hurry
20151203 10:14:01< vultraz> Aginor: as someone who lives in Micronesia, IK the feeling 
20151203 10:16:49< Aginor> vultraz: yeah, I imagine that'd be a bit similar
20151203 10:26:32< Aginor> windows updates are terrible
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20151203 10:26:49< Aginor> it takes forever to get a windows up and runnable
20151203 10:37:03< fabi> Aginor: Yes. I can't say why people claim Windows to be more userfriendly than Linux for example. Setting up Ubuntu is fast and painless. Installing every software I need is a only a matter of running a single script. Poor Windows users.
20151203 10:37:43< Aginor> I've spent a couple of days trying to get a fresh install up with all the stupid updates
20151203 10:37:47< Aginor> it just goes on
20151203 10:39:21< fabi> Windows 10?
20151203 10:39:36< Aginor> windows 7 actually
20151203 10:39:38< fabi> The last one I tried was 7. Too play Starcraft2.
20151203 10:39:40< Aginor> so lots of updates
20151203 10:39:54< Aginor> it's what gfgtdf was reporting failures on
20151203 10:39:57< fabi> I must admit Windows7 was okay. I liked it to some degree. 
20151203 10:40:00< Aginor> so I am giving that a go
20151203 10:40:07< Aginor> anyway
20151203 10:40:16< Aginor> I need to get up in 6h so I should go and sleep
20151203 10:40:23< fabi> Have a good night :-)
20151203 10:44:54< Aginor> thanks
20151203 10:45:11< Aginor> finally got a vs installation started, that might be done by the time I wake up
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20151203 11:42:33< aquileia> Aginor: I tried to minimize/maximize the window: http://pastebin.com/w3sjHvai
20151203 11:43:44< aquileia> Come to think of it, I might have switched focus (to the Debugger) the last time it crashed as well...
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20151203 11:48:08< aquileia> However, I can't reproduce it - min/maximizing a dozen times doesn't trigger another crash, so it might be unrelated to that
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20151203 14:48:51< aquileia> loonycyborg: po\SConscript line 64 seems unnecessary: --from-code=UTF-8 already sets the charset correctly
20151203 14:52:28< aquileia> Also, do we actually use sgettext/vgettext/... instead of the N_ and _ prefixes? pot-update.sh.in completely ignores these (no idea which toolchain uses it, though)
20151203 14:52:56< loonycyborg> aquileia: iirc I pasted this line from autotools
20151203 14:53:55< loonycyborg> dunno, maybe that sed is needed after all as workaround for some issue
20151203 14:55:18< aquileia> That sed was necessary long ago because we didn't specify --from-code=UTF-8 back then, but now it's pointless AFAICT
20151203 15:02:08< aquileia> pot-update.sh.in has to be some unused relic... it's xgettext invocation lacks most keywords and it doesn't specify from-code
20151203 15:03:36 * aquileia wonders how many files in our repo are basically relics from autotools
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20151203 17:29:39< wedge009> Aginor: It's probably more to do with familiarity, but Windows 7 updates aren't too bad. What's really bad is Windows 8 updates on a laptop with 2G memory (which is plenty for Windows 7). Kept thrashing the disk and took several *days*. I think switching that one to Windows 10 helped.
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20151203 18:55:37< Aginor> aquileia: that call stack is interesting, thank you. Have you seen a difference in the behaviour of https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/81480d1d774d8c63899cea0a48be6dd716604ffa vs https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/3a5b122325cc241b5e45ab38eb30fa8399131fee ?
20151203 18:55:44< Aginor> I would expect the latter to be more stable
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20151203 19:08:04< Ivanovic> fabi: a clear "maybe" from my side, not sure yet
20151203 19:08:10< Ivanovic> fabi: depends on 2 things:
20151203 19:08:24< Ivanovic> 1) work (no idea if a business trip to "no idea where" is required then
20151203 19:08:39< Ivanovic> 2) family, might be that my dad celebrates his birthday then
20151203 19:08:46< fabi> I see.
20151203 19:08:55< fabi> Ivanovic: When do you know?=
20151203 19:09:09< Ivanovic> probably in january
20151203 19:09:10< fabi> I mean, I need to take care about bed & breakfast soon.
20151203 19:09:44< Ivanovic> the work part will not be 100% solved before the first full week in january
20151203 19:10:06< fabi> Ivanovic: When did you do the reservation? Is two 2weeks in advance still in time?
20151203 19:10:16< Ivanovic> ugh, i don't remember
20151203 19:10:29< Ivanovic> i think in the past when i was there it was usually a little before christmas though
20151203 19:12:23< fabi> Okay.
20151203 19:13:56< Ivanovic> meaning: you can go ahead and look for something and work on booking and all the stuff already
20151203 19:14:11< Ivanovic> maybe start with a mail to wesnoth-dev asking who wants to join in
20151203 19:14:28< fabi> Ivanovic: I have done so on the forums.
20151203 19:14:39< Ivanovic> ah, okay, i never look at the forums anymore...
20151203 19:14:41< fabi> Since I also want to reach players.
20151203 19:15:10< fabi> But I can repeat the call on the dev-ml.
20151203 19:15:24< fabi> Ivanovic: Is the dev-ml. Read only for non developers?
20151203 19:15:45< Ivanovic> if you are subscribed to it, you can send there
20151203 19:15:54< fabi> fine
20151203 19:16:17< fabi> and subscrption is open to everyone?
20151203 19:16:21< Ivanovic> jepp
20151203 19:16:30< fabi> Good to know.
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20151203 19:33:34< Ivanovic> fabi: btw I also told chrber that you are currently looking into planning some meeting
20151203 19:33:50< Ivanovic> fabi: no idea from his side if he will / wants to join yet
20151203 19:33:55< fabi> Ivanovic: Oh yes. I thought about chrber as well.
20151203 19:34:08< Ivanovic> at least he is aware that something is likely to happen then
20151203 19:34:19< fabi> cool
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20151203 22:12:24< neverEnough> why often i see gui classess named with a "t" ? I.E. lobby_main.hpp class tlobby_main, struct tplayer_list and so on
20151203 22:13:01< neverEnough> is that related to overriding gui2 over gui1 >
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20151203 22:24:54< gfgtdf> neverEnough: thats just the convention of the gui2 code.
20151203 22:25:22< gfgtdf> neverEnough: althought i wouldnt be surpised if some marcos used in the gui2 code assume that types begin with t
20151203 22:26:08< gfgtdf> neverEnough: youi should stik to that convention when editing the gui2 code.
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20151203 22:30:31< neverEnough> when i simply compile with scons (no params) i get gui1 or gui2? If 1, then how to get a binary out of gui2?
20151203 22:31:51< iceiceice> neverEnough: its not like that, its more like, both of them are gui frameworks built into the engine, most stuff is gui1 but some stuff is gui 2
20151203 22:32:04< neverEnough> oh ok
20151203 22:32:23< celticminstrel> GUI1 stuff doesn't start with t though.
20151203 22:35:22< neverEnough> i was digging around lobby, was lookin where it gets instanced. Grep told just "/wesnoth/src/tests/gui/test_gui2.cpp" and i was wondering about the "test" directory
20151203 22:37:18< celticminstrel> Pretty sure that's the unit tests. It's not what you're looking for.
20151203 22:37:58< neverEnough> thanks for the answers! (unit tests? wtf? :P)
20151203 22:38:19< celticminstrel> Why "wtf"?
20151203 22:41:59< neverEnough> was amazing about such a concept.. jokey slang. Nvm.. just what are unit tests? 
20151203 22:42:20< neverEnough> i think someday i should get more inside extra tools
20151203 22:42:27< celticminstrel> It's a general programming concept, so you could just look it up.
20151203 22:42:28< neverEnough> or even try to create a dumb map
20151203 22:42:41< neverEnough> oh ok, thanks. Had no clue
20151203 22:43:04< celticminstrel> The "unit" in the term has no relationship to the Wesnoth concept of "unit".
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20151203 22:45:59< neverEnough> y wikipedia helps
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20151203 22:53:56< neverEnough> just as side note, it was here ./wesnoth/src/game_initialization/multiplayer.cpp
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20151203 22:59:47 * celticminstrel wonders why "wesnoth/" is part of that path
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20151203 23:14:23< celticminstrel> Hmm.
20151203 23:14:44< celticminstrel> Would it be considered acceptable to not save any unit animation data in the saved games?
20151203 23:15:11< celticminstrel> That is, is it reasonable to assume that [modify_unit] and direct access will never be used to manipulate animations?
20151203 23:15:34< celticminstrel> As far as I know, animations are normally only added using objects.
20151203 23:23:47< celticminstrel> I can't see where this actually writes animations... does it write them?
20151203 23:24:24< celticminstrel> Oh, maybe the animations are kept in the internal config...
20151203 23:25:43< celticminstrel> If [store_unit] doesn't allow access to animations, then my question is moot.
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20151203 23:57:14< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: you can only add animations via [effect], this was dont to make the samegames smaller (the animations are not contained in [unit]) unless they were changes with [effect]s
20151203 23:58:23< celticminstrel> So are animations already not saved in the saved game?
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