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20151206 03:46:10< shadowm> Aginor: Has the network staffer Ivanovic told you to PM gotten back to you about that cloak yet?
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20151206 06:45:31< fabi> iceiceice: Isn't it "try there is not, do or not do" ?
20151206 06:45:55< fabi> yoda gramma should be applied right, that is a serious matter.
20151206 06:46:01< iceiceice> this is a question for youtube i suppose :)
20151206 06:46:49< iceiceice> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ4yd2W50No
20151206 06:48:29< fabi> hmmm, loading forever :-)
20151206 06:49:01< iceiceice> i think the phrase is "try there is not, do or do not, there is no try"
20151206 06:49:39< fabi> yeah
20151206 06:49:44< fabi> that sounds about right
20151206 06:49:55< fabi> I am glad we have saddled that down.
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20151206 06:58:36< iceiceice> :)
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20151206 15:00:26< neverEnough> lol i just found a weirdness in the server code
20151206 15:01:07< neverEnough>  /src/server/game.cpp:1269
20151206 15:01:25< neverEnough> if (!allow_observers()) send_and_record_server_message(user->second.name() + " is now observing the game.", player);
20151206 15:01:58< neverEnough> since i never read this message, which is pretty usefull, i just removed the "!", like  if (allow_observers())
20151206 15:02:01< neverEnough> compiled
20151206 15:02:11< neverEnough> and it works perfectly, having message notification
20151206 15:02:38< neverEnough> was it disabled by purpose? if not, hey it should get reenabled :)
20151206 15:07:03< iceiceice> no it looks like a goofy bug
20151206 15:07:16< iceiceice> neverEnough: you could use git blame to see how it got that way in the first place
20151206 15:07:57< iceiceice> neverEnough: it might not actually be a bug, maybe, they thought the message was too spammy or something in general,
20151206 15:08:02< iceiceice> but it can happen that like
20151206 15:08:08< iceiceice> a moderator decides to observe a game
20151206 15:08:12< iceiceice> even if its not allowed by host
20151206 15:08:21< iceiceice> and then i guess this message would show in that case
20151206 15:08:26< iceiceice> even if not for "typical" users
20151206 15:08:51< zookeeper> yeah that sounds entirely possible
20151206 15:09:15< neverEnough> hm ok
20151206 15:09:25< neverEnough> just the code should get disabled with a comment
20151206 15:10:07< neverEnough> or
20151206 15:10:54< neverEnough> if spamming isn't the real issue but just hiding moderators, it could get well coded. Atm it is a "ghost" feature obscured also for mantainers
20151206 15:11:41< neverEnough> dunno, i wait for further decisions.
20151206 15:11:59< iceiceice> neverEnough: i think its not for hiding moderators, but actually for announcing their presence
20151206 15:12:12< iceiceice> so like if theres a private game but the moderator decides to join
20151206 15:12:19< iceiceice> then they watch for a while and say something,
20151206 15:12:33< iceiceice> it doesnt freak out the player that a mod suddenly appeared, they get this little notice first
20151206 15:12:59< neverEnough> ok got the point
20151206 15:13:50< neverEnough> but i feel noticing normal observers a valuable feature. Looking at the little eye icon and move mouse over it every 30 secs isn't really good
20151206 15:14:21< neverEnough> mods could be enhanced by a color, or a text flag
20151206 15:14:35< neverEnough> tbh i wouldn't understand he was a mod just by noticing his join
20151206 15:14:50< neverEnough> i don't see mods very often :P
20151206 15:18:19< zookeeper> it would be good to know whether just sending the message about all observers would be annoying or not. i'm guessing not, since i don't think constant observer-surfing is very common.
20151206 15:20:03< neverEnough> i noticed lots observer only in few valuable games with famous players, that's kinda 0,1% of the total games. Even in those (if i was one of the players) i wouldn't get hurted by that. But i know it's about tastes
20151206 15:20:26< neverEnough> Lots obs there means like max 8-10
20151206 15:20:32< zookeeper> yeah
20151206 15:23:54< zookeeper> could play the join sound when an observer joins, and then put the preference in preferences->multiplayer->alerts?
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20151206 15:26:27< neverEnough> never touched the notification code, but sure! I'm here for learning
20151206 15:27:24< zookeeper> although i'm assuming (could be wrong) that the sound checkbox for any alert doesn't disable the textual message
20151206 15:27:42< zookeeper> in which case the observer join message shouldn't be controlled by it either
20151206 15:27:49< neverEnough> huh
20151206 15:27:51< zookeeper> making my whole idea pointless
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20151206 15:28:28< irker428> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 4a7698676252 / data/gui/default/window/lobby_main.cfg: Experimental Lobby: fixed some broken image paths http://git.io/vRaTR
20151206 15:28:58< zookeeper> personally, i'd lean towards just enabling that message always. 99% of players are going to produce more chat noise than that.
20151206 15:29:39< irker428> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:1.12 01d4c6a03bc5 / data/gui/default/window/lobby_main.cfg: Experimental Lobby: fixed some broken image paths http://git.io/vRaTS
20151206 15:29:58< neverEnough> just opened the game and in preferences i see 4 kinds of sounds: sound effects//music//turn bell//user interface  
20151206 15:30:34< neverEnough> i have all but turn bell disabled, and i correctly don't hear any sound but the turn bell
20151206 15:31:17< neverEnough> so.. what about "textual msg alert"?
20151206 15:31:54< neverEnough> it must belong to one of the three disabled here
20151206 15:32:04< neverEnough> ur point would still be valid
20151206 15:33:28< zookeeper> i don't understand what you're saying
20151206 15:37:16< neverEnough> oh i think i got it now. U mean that obs join notification should get controlled both on the sound code AND the text notification
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20151206 15:38:08< zookeeper> i still don't, but i doubt it matters :p
20151206 15:38:10< neverEnough> atm the text msg notifications got their own checkboxes, only "lobby join" are handled
20151206 15:39:14< neverEnough> show all|| show friends||show none
20151206 15:39:55< neverEnough> display_chat_manager involves game_preferences "bool is_friend" iirc
20151206 15:40:08< neverEnough> bool is_friend(....)
20151206 15:40:25< zookeeper> yes, there is that radio button group in addition to what i was talking about
20151206 15:40:28< neverEnough> pretty to be reworked
20151206 15:59:44< neverEnough> iceiceice, thanks for the git blame tip
20151206 16:07:06< irker428> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:1.12 b6ea858b16cc / src/scripting/lua.cpp: improve performance of wesnoth.delay(0) http://git.io/vRas1
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20151206 19:11:30< gfgtdf> do you know how SCATTER_UNITS behaves when there is not enough space for teh given number of units `?
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20151206 19:29:47< gfgtdf> i wonder whether OOS erros due to floating point rounding differences on different machines are a huge threat.
20151206 19:30:27< gfgtdf> i just noticed that threat and thread are different words.
20151206 19:37:39< celticminstrel> Why would there be rounding differences?
20151206 19:39:44< zookeeper> gfgtdf, i expect it'll just take the nearest empty space, and if there is none, the unit is not created
20151206 19:40:47< zookeeper> i checked: it just stops placing units if/when it can't find a spot
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20151206 20:53:06< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: hmm becasue the hardware might do floating caluclation diffently, im sure that i hard about that somewere.
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20151206 20:56:37< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: but the point is that im nor really sure whether this can also happen between 2 x8632/64 bit arcitectures, or only between 2 very different machines.
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20151206 20:59:56< gfgtdf> Soliton: do you remember when exactly the roundung differences mentioned here: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/3d280bbc3d3636b33118082d839790488317af0f appeared ?
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20151206 22:35:12< celticminstrel> I thought all common hardware uses IEEE floating-point, though I suppose there could be some rounding differences if double is not the same size on common platforms... or if one uses BCD for some reason...
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20151206 22:40:22< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: y that what i thought aswell after readnd teh wikipedia page about IEEE floating-point but that commit message says different so i'm unsure now
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