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20151209 00:02:12< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: y but for 1.13(1.14) we wanted an automatic updater
20151209 00:02:52< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: at lest for windows, dont know about other plattforms
20151209 00:02:55< gfgtdf> least*
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20151209 01:26:41< irker707> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 0241f5687ed6 / data/test/scenarios/test_lua.cfg: fix failing lua_get_sides test http://git.io/vRQmd
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20151209 02:47:14< shadowm> gfgtdf: Yes, a syntax for weighted randomness would be great.
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20151209 02:53:01< gfgtdf> shadowm: that was an answer/comment on what?
20151209 02:54:00< shadowm> 12:09:33 <gfgtdf> i wondere whether its worth in mainline to support a syntax like [set_variable] rand="3*Bowman,4*Spearman" which woudl then be rquivalent to [set_variable] rand="Bowman,Bowman,Bowman,Spearman,Spearman,Spearman,Spearman"
20151209 02:54:22< gfgtdf> shadowmah right
20151209 02:55:40< celticminstrel> Is that not already possible by duplication?
20151209 02:55:52< celticminstrel> Though, I guess a shortcut syntax is still not a bad idea.
20151209 02:56:10< celticminstrel> Oh wait, I guess your question already implies that it is possible.
20151209 02:56:15< shadowm> ... Yes.
20151209 02:56:24< celticminstrel> So yeah, a shortcut for that use-case sounds like a good idea.
20151209 02:57:42< gfgtdf> aquileia: i made this pr https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/pull/558  wich coudl be used to check for updates if its a little changes.
20151209 02:58:43< gfgtdf> aquileia: do you think you can make an automatic updater before the next dev relatease on firday?
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20151209 03:51:47< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#7894 (master - 0241f56 : gfgtdf): The build was fixed.
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20151209 07:23:12< aquileia> gfgtdf: As written in the top comment of Patch.nsi in PR 549, the current syntax for the updater is  wesnoth-update.exe /i=1.12.4 /o=1.12.5 /MD5=[MD5sum]
20151209 07:25:07< aquileia> I can change it however you want (though SHA-256 seems off-limits unless we increase our minimum OS version to XP SP 3)
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20151209 07:25:49< aquileia> the reason for that is that MS's crypto API didn't provide SHA_256 before that service pack
20151209 07:29:48< aquileia> So unless we provide our own implementation in a .dll (which we then would have to register to make sure nobody with malicious intent replaces it) it's off limits
20151209 07:33:11< shadowm> No problem with bumping our minimum version requirement to that. Nobody with a brain should be using earlier revisions while connected to the Internet anyway.
20151209 07:34:46< aquileia> loonycyborg: Which SP do you use on your VM?
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20151209 08:35:53< loonycyborg> aquileia: I think latest one there is, should be sp3
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20151209 09:10:31< vultraz> I believe we're dropping XP support anyway
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20151209 12:48:14< aquileia> vultraz, cc shadowm: Sure your team_name change didn't break existing scenarios like e.g. ... the tutorial? Delfador exerts a ZOC and I can attack him
20151209 12:50:07< vultraz> blsdfhsjifjksjkm
20151209 12:51:08< vultraz> I guess it will have to be reverted :(
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20151209 15:01:59< gfgtdf> aquileia: i actualy asumed that you would change that c++ code to match the interface of the updater programm yourself.
20151209 15:05:29< gfgtdf> aquileia, shadowm: my update check page currently downaloads this page: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Download and tries to find out the current abvailable version with a getex.
20151209 15:05:57< gfgtdf> aquileia, shadowm: this is not opimal: it relied on the currentl layout of that page and it donloads more that i needs to
20151209 15:06:31< gfgtdf> aquileia, shadowm: i think it woudl be better to have seperate (text, not html) page for that
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20151209 17:41:10< aquileia> loonycyborg: If we're using SHA256 checksums, we may as well generate them directly in scons: https://gist.github.com/steakknife/1807195#file-chksums-sh-L34 (assuming your VM has sufficient RAM to load the entire installer)
20151209 17:41:46< loonycyborg> I'm not making releases in vm, I boot from winxp partition
20151209 17:41:57< aquileia> ah, ok
20151209 17:42:13< aquileia> then it should be a non-issue
20151209 17:42:40< vultraz> gfgtdf: could we have a dedicated version string on the our servers smewhere and just fetch that?
20151209 17:42:50< vultraz> like, specifically for this
20151209 17:44:53< aquileia> vultraz, gfgtdf: The updater will already need to get the SHA from files.wesnoth.org/releases, so we could just add one more file there
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20151209 17:53:52< vultraz> sounds good
20151209 17:54:12< gfgtdf> aquileia: but then we'd nbeed to download 2 files
20151209 17:54:19< vultraz> only thing is I hope this effort doesn't become wasted once we get on steam
20151209 17:54:48< gfgtdf> aquileia: i think i'd be easier to have one file which caontains teh latest version and the checksu for that
20151209 17:55:14< vultraz> gfgtdf: how is two files worse?
20151209 17:55:26< vultraz> we're talking... like, 1 KB 
20151209 17:55:29< aquileia> gfgtdf: If it's easier for you, sure
20151209 17:55:54< aquileia> vultraz: I think he means handling two files in the updater code
20151209 17:55:57< vultraz> ah
20151209 17:56:00< vultraz> ok
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20151209 17:58:57< gfgtdf> hmm https://github.com/wesnoth/website doesnt seem to contain all parts of the website
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20151209 18:05:49< aquileia> I wonder - do we want to keep older patches around or overwrite the same patch.7z each time? If we archive them, their filename (and thus SHA file) will contain the version number
20151209 18:08:50< aquileia> to clarify, patch.7z isn't an incremental patch but will work on any 1.13 release
20151209 18:09:12< aquileia> so there isn't any need to keep previous patches around
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20151209 20:50:38< gfgtdf> are there any campaigns that read the story aloud (with sound) during storyscreen so that i dont have to read myself?
20151209 20:52:07< celticminstrel> That could probably be done (at least on OSX, but likely other platforms too) by hooking into the OS's text-to-speech systems.
20151209 20:52:27< celticminstrel> Though I guess pre-recorded ones would sound better. I don't know of any, sorry.
20151209 20:56:39< celticminstrel> Do story screens support adding a voiceover? What about [message]? If not, that could be something good to add. You might want to separate it from the concepts of "music" and "sound"...
20151209 20:57:45< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: i dont know whether ti currently supports but it's likeley tht it coudl be done in a hacky way.
20151209 20:58:13< celticminstrel> I think [message] might already support playing a sound, so that could probably be used for a voiceover.
20151209 20:58:19< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: y i also thought about pre-recorded  ones but os text-o-speech coudl also be worth a try
20151209 21:00:29< celticminstrel> I'm a little dubious about the utility of supporting blind players (how can you translate the Wesnoth screen into something completely non-visual?), but support for OS text-to-speech could maybe be useful for people who can technically see but whose vision is very bad... (eg legally blind)
20151209 21:00:55< zookeeper> you can play sounds in story screens just fine, although basically no one ever does.
20151209 21:01:15< zookeeper> so no support needed for voiceovers
20151209 21:02:31< celticminstrel> Fair enough.
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20151209 23:04:05< zookeeper> gfgtdf, planning an automatic updater? well, that would be a commonly requested thing for sure.
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20151209 23:17:36< gfgtdf> zookeeper: yes we need an automatic updater, i actually only woek on the code that cheks whwther a new update exists, aquileia is working the the updater.exe that will do the actualy updating
20151209 23:18:04< gfgtdf> zookeeper: idk whether we can do it for mac too.
20151209 23:18:30< gfgtdf> zookeeper: neigher i do know for linux
20151209 23:19:37< gfgtdf> zookeeper: (i actualy know nothing about how installing on linux works, i recently even failed to install firefox on linux.)
20151209 23:19:46< gfgtdf> zookeeper: neigher i know about mac.
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20151209 23:24:34< zookeeper> will it smartly download only what it needs (binaries + changed data files), or just download a complete installer?
20151209 23:25:52< gfgtdf> zookeeper: if i understood corrently it will only download the changed files
20151209 23:26:00< zookeeper> oh, that's great
20151209 23:26:15< gfgtdf> zookeeper: it definitely wont download the 300mp again
20151209 23:26:18< gfgtdf> mb
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20151209 23:34:24< irker878> wesnoth: ln-zookeeper wesnoth:master 1ab550cd19cd / data/core/music/ (frantic-old.ogg frantic.ogg): Renamed frantic.ogg to frantic-old.ogg http://git.io/vRxZJ
20151209 23:34:24< irker878> wesnoth: ln-zookeeper wesnoth:master 5147bcd6dfa2 / changelog data/core/music/frantic.ogg players_changelog: Added replacement for "Frantic" by TreizeCouleurs http://git.io/vRxZU
20151209 23:34:32< aquileia> gfgtdf: The Altaz Mariners has voiced story screens IIRC
20151209 23:35:05< gfgtdf> aquileia: will test it.
20151209 23:35:09< zookeeper> ^ so i did end up renaming the old track, mainly because i'm pretty sure the cases where one wants to keep using the old track are in the vast minority
20151209 23:35:32< celticminstrel> Is it like a remix of the old track, or something completely different?
20151209 23:35:38< zookeeper> completely different
20151209 23:36:20< zookeeper> but similar enough in tone that it fits as a drop-in replacement in most cases
20151209 23:36:29< zookeeper> which is good because the old track is awful
20151209 23:36:40< celticminstrel> I wonder if I should try doing some music...
20151209 23:36:41< zookeeper> not as bad as some of the old tracks which thankfully are already gone, but still :>
20151209 23:36:52< celticminstrel> I'm called "minstrel" for a reason, after all.
20151209 23:37:36< celticminstrel> But, I use Finale with GPO for most music stuff, so I dunno, there could be copyright issues.
20151209 23:44:53< aquileia> zookeeper: The patch contains any files changed since the corresponding 1.x.0 release, it's about 30 MB for current master, half of which are translations
20151209 23:45:23< gfgtdf> is here someone who understeand teh wml of teh 2p dark forecast sceanrio ?
20151209 23:46:12< zookeeper> aquileia, cool. that's a good system to have
20151209 23:46:23< zookeeper> gfgtdf, i probably do, but i'm going to bed right now
20151209 23:46:35< zookeeper> i'll read the logs...
20151209 23:46:42< aquileia> celticminstrel: I don't think that's an issue, most Wesnoth music was created with commercial software/samples.
20151209 23:47:31< gfgtdf> zookeeper: do you know what that scenario does with that 'gold' variable ?
20151209 23:47:35< celticminstrel> aquileia: I see.
20151209 23:48:06< aquileia> We don't require any 'source' other than the .ogg
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