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20151213 00:41:57< celticminstrel> I got a bit carried away commenting on vultraz'z PR...
20151213 00:43:31< Aginor> rant mode on? :D
20151213 00:43:46< celticminstrel> Not sure if you can call it a rant.
20151213 00:45:01< Aginor> no
20151213 00:45:07< Aginor> but it got my attention too
20151213 00:45:15< celticminstrel> Eh?
20151213 00:47:47< vultraz> Hm?
20151213 00:50:41< Aginor> potential colour encoding issues, pango and the rest of wesnoth uses different encodings
20151213 00:55:30< vultraz> Aginor: LABEL_COLOR is an SDL_Color with a value of...  {0x6B,0x8C,0xFF,0},
20151213 00:57:05< vultraz> So RGBA I think
20151213 01:08:29< celticminstrel> SDL_Color is RGBA, yeah.
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20151213 01:14:52< Aginor> hmm
20151213 01:15:03< Aginor> did I get them the wrong way round?
20151213 01:20:21< shadowm> SDL_Color is RGB plus a unused value in SDL 1.2, RGBA in SDL 2.0.
20151213 01:21:00< shadowm> Some parts of Wesnoth abuse the unused value because why not, right? (Don't do that in your own programs for the love of god.)
20151213 01:21:23< celticminstrel> ...if it had been me I would've just treated the unused value as alpha...
20151213 01:24:17< loonycyborg> shadowm: 1.13.2a should be in 1.13.2 dir on sf right? How does one move files on sf? :P
20151213 01:24:27< shadowm> You can't.
20151213 01:25:00< celticminstrel> Delete and re-upload?
20151213 01:25:06< shadowm> And yes, it should obviously be in 1.13.2.
20151213 01:26:42< shadowm> "Moving files and creating of symlinks may be accomplished via the shell, but cannot be done with the web file manager."
20151213 01:26:53< shadowm> They say this, but the FRS host forbids shell sessions.
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20151213 01:29:02< loonycyborg> ok I've uploaded it
20151213 01:29:49< shadowm> http://pastebin.com/kTHVgB0t
20151213 01:31:01< shadowm> Okay, thanks.
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20151213 01:36:57< loonycyborg> actually those widestring functions, I had doubts mingw supports them, but it seems it does
20151213 01:37:21< loonycyborg> at least mingw-w64
20151213 01:38:50< shadowm> I'm announcing in advance that I will be mostly unavailable in a developer role from the 20th of December until the 25th, and then completely unavailable until the 10th of January at least for health reasons.
20151213 01:39:33< loonycyborg> aww ok
20151213 01:39:37< shadowm> loonycyborg: Oh, so you switched to Mingw-w64 already?
20151213 01:39:40< loonycyborg> yes
20151213 01:39:43< loonycyborg> for dev branch
20151213 01:39:51< shadowm> Good, good.
20151213 01:40:21< shadowm> I know it does because that's what I used to test my commits.
20151213 01:42:02< loonycyborg> also updated boost to 1.59
20151213 01:43:11< loonycyborg> compiling boost with iostreams zbip2 support is so annoying on windows that I submitted a pull request to boost to improve the situation :/
20151213 01:43:55< loonycyborg> they added a proper config check for zlib but not for bzip2
20151213 02:00:35< Aginor> shadowm: I wish you a speedy recovery and a happy christmas
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20151213 02:28:54< gfgtdf> loonycyborg: from counting the comments on this page: https://github.com/boostorg/iostreams/pulls it seems to me that noone really cares about those pull requests.
20151213 02:29:29< gfgtdf> loonycyborg: i even got the impression the some parts of boost are hardly maintinated.
20151213 02:35:12< gfgtdf> although, it seems like that 4 years after a suggested fix for this bug https://svn.boost.org/trac/boost/ticket/5237 it was finally fixed so tha we can remove this wokraround https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/1.12/src/serialization/binary_or_text.cpp#L78 in boost 1.60 (at least something)
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20151213 02:38:26< gfgtdf_> but this code 'static_cast&lt;stream_offset>(container_.size()))' seems strange does c++ allow some type of html escape caracters?
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20151213 03:04:01< shadowm> &lt; is < in HTML.
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20151213 03:04:25< shadowm> Absolutely nothing to do with C++.
20151213 03:10:22< gfgtdf> shadowm: my bad it was a html docmentation i was just confused by the a commitname beeing compilation fixes.
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20151213 07:53:09< ancestral> shadowm: I have a build of Wesnoth for OS X. I hope to test it with 10.10 and upload Sunday
20151213 07:53:19< Aginor> hey ancestral :)
20151213 07:53:25< ancestral> Hi!
20151213 07:53:55< Aginor> did you see my response on the issue tracker?
20151213 07:54:03< ancestral> Yes
20151213 07:54:11< ancestral> I was wondering if that was you ;-)
20151213 07:54:14< Aginor> does it make sense?
20151213 07:54:20< ancestral> Yes
20151213 07:54:34< ancestral> Yes, that’s fine, I wasn’t sure the timetable for SDL2 into dev
20151213 07:54:58< Aginor> I try to stay out of things I know little about, but core engine stuff I watch like a hawk ;)
20151213 07:55:15< Aginor> (wml I know little about)
20151213 07:55:21< ancestral> I was just slightly freaking out a little bit if I was missing something with SDL2 frameworks
20151213 07:55:22< Aginor> ancestral: I'll merge ASAP
20151213 07:55:57< ancestral> Aginor: I assume it’s been tested and such?
20151213 07:56:02< Aginor> no... I think SDL1.2 simply doesn't work with 10.11 and nobody will update it
20151213 07:56:10< Aginor> ancestral: for 10.11 or in general?
20151213 07:56:14< ancestral> Okay, you were just waiting for 1.13.2 to be tagged?
20151213 07:56:26< ancestral> SDL2 in general for OS X?
20151213 07:56:59< Aginor> it's seen limited testing by me and others, but one of the reason to do the merge is so that there'll be more test coverage
20151213 07:57:01< ancestral> Aginor: Maybe you should wait until 1.13.2 is actually released in case shadowm has to delay it?
20151213 07:57:49< Aginor> ancestral: that's what I'm waiting for, on his behest
20151213 07:57:52< Aginor> s/on/at/
20151213 07:57:54< ancestral> Okay good
20151213 07:58:06< ancestral> You did say “ASAP” after all ;-)
20151213 07:58:35< Aginor> as soon I'll get the email I'll go push the "merge" button :D
20151213 07:59:16< ancestral> I’ll be eager to test it to see if it fixes the other typography issues
20151213 07:59:28< ancestral> (I suppose nothing is stopping me from building with that branch)
20151213 08:00:13< Aginor> nothing at all
20151213 08:00:16< ancestral> (However, it may be it’s Pango, Cairo and/or Freetype that is to blame)
20151213 08:00:18< Aginor> in fact, please do :)
20151213 08:01:03< ancestral> Anyway, my focus is on the OS X package right now
20151213 08:01:21< ancestral> I just need to make a 10.10 boot drive
20151213 08:01:57< ancestral> (Honestly, part of me wonders how useful it’s going to be having a dev release for only one OS X target…)
20151213 08:02:45 * Aginor shrugs
20151213 08:02:50< ancestral> There’s a second issue we’re running into with Pango which I don’t think has gotten resolved. It may be as simple as building Pango, but not sure.
20151213 08:03:01< Aginor> I have been wondering how hard it'd be to automate all of the package buildings
20151213 08:03:21< Aginor> automated nightly releases would be nice :)
20151213 08:03:29< ancestral> At some point, I’ll follow up with mattsc (if you’re listening, there’s no need to talk to me about it right now; later is fine)
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20151213 08:03:53< ancestral> Aginor: It’s certainly possible
20151213 08:03:59< ancestral> And that’s my dream
20151213 08:04:51< ancestral> I think you could run OS X in a virtual machine and build through Jenkins CI
20151213 08:05:09< ancestral> Or possibly even build with Jenkins without OS X
20151213 08:05:33< ancestral> Homebrew has the ability to build app bundles
20151213 08:05:46< Aginor> we should get that set up
20151213 08:06:05< Aginor> I suspect we're 99% of the way there already
20151213 08:06:07< ancestral> Can’t remember who knows the most about the computer it sits on
20151213 08:06:21< ancestral> iceiceice knows something, but I believe someone else knows much more, I don’t remember who again
20151213 08:06:49< ancestral> With regards to Balrog or whatever
20151213 08:07:07< Aginor> I know nothing of how any of this is structured
20151213 08:07:22< ancestral> There’s a server that has Jenkins CI already on it IIRC
20151213 08:07:27< Aginor> but it'd be neat to build debs, rpms, windows and osx bundles nightly
20151213 08:07:41< Aginor> any CI should be able to do it
20151213 08:08:00< Aginor> then we're at the glorious "always releasing" dream of CI
20151213 08:13:55< Aginor> while I'm writing this a bit tounge-in-cheek, I actually think it'd be useful to go the full way
20151213 08:14:14< Aginor> it'd also make packager's lives much easier in the long run
20151213 08:14:49< ancestral> I’m in total agreement
20151213 08:19:44< Aginor> :)
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20151213 09:13:43 * wedge009 imagines Aginor's finger gleefully poised over the 'merge' button, eagerly awaiting for shadowm's e-mail giving the approval to proceed. Any moment now. Any moment now...
20151213 09:25:24< Aginor> wedge009: you give me too much credit
20151213 09:25:56< Aginor> it's with my phone in my pocket and github credentials at hand
20151213 09:26:10< vultraz> you can marge from your phone?
20151213 09:27:00< wedge009> I jest, of course.
20151213 09:27:51< Aginor> vultraz: it's got a web-browser, so yes
20151213 09:29:31< vultraz> ah
20151213 09:29:35< vultraz> i thought they had an app or something
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20151213 09:48:13< zookeeper> vultraz, so please don't deprecate red,green,blue= in favor of color= either.
20151213 09:49:07< vultraz> zookeeper: gaaaaahhhh why!
20151213 09:50:33< vultraz> I concede we can have a color key, but I think it should be consistent 
20151213 09:50:50< vultraz> why does [label] have color while these other have red,green,blue
20151213 09:51:09< zookeeper> if you want color= then you can super-easily just keep supporting both
20151213 09:52:55< vultraz> :|
20151213 09:53:03< vultraz> For what reason?
20151213 09:53:36< zookeeper> to... not... break... content so much
20151213 09:57:48< vultraz> we shouldn't keep around duplicate ways of doing things
20151213 09:58:03< vultraz> I still believe we should deprecate the old difficulty menu syntax
20151213 09:58:57< zookeeper> that's fine because difficulty menus are 90% of the time written using the core macros
20151213 09:59:47< zookeeper> oh nevermind, looks like that won't help
20151213 09:59:55< zookeeper> at least that's still only one thing to fix per campaign
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20151213 17:27:44< gfgtdf> zookeeper: you know what teh usecases for [event] in [unit] are? I know that [event] in [unittype] are used for abilitires like feeding bu i have never seens [event] in [unit]
20151213 17:28:34< shadowm> Item events?
20151213 17:28:42< zookeeper> gfgtdf, for example if you wanted to give a hero unit a unique trait which requires some events.
20151213 17:28:46< zookeeper> or yeah, item events
20151213 17:29:33< gfgtdf> what are item events?
20151213 17:29:42< shadowm> Events that implement items.
20151213 17:29:54< shadowm> You know as in items you can pick up.
20151213 17:30:39< gfgtdf> shadowm: you mean the moveto+item dialog event?
20151213 17:31:28< shadowm> For example I have an item that can be picked up in scenario 14/24 by a single unit, which adds a new attack with a weapon special specific to that item. In order to not have to include the events implementing it in every single scenario after that by hand, I attach them to the unit.
20151213 17:32:12< shadowm> That way they also get automatically removed forever if the unit they are attached to dies.
20151213 17:33:20< vultraz> gfgtdf: I made the staff of righteous flame in THoT a unit event
20151213 17:33:24< gfgtdf> shadowm: hmm but then as soon as you have 2 units with the same item you will also have the same event in 2 units.
20151213 17:33:39< shadowm> "by a single unit".
20151213 17:33:45< shadowm> I just said it's a unique item.
20151213 17:34:27< shadowm> No-one else can have it but the unit the player chooses at that point.
20151213 17:34:39< shadowm> If the unit is lost the item is lost forever.
20151213 17:34:45< shadowm> That's the idea.
20151213 17:38:45< gfgtdf> shadowm: is this really a big advantage to have those events removed when the units dies? I'd think that most people will give such items to leaders or other special units that will make you loose if they die anyway.
20151213 17:39:24< shadowm> Look, you wanted an example use-case.
20151213 17:40:24< shadowm> Besides, the campaign doesn't have any hero units that can use the item at that point.
20151213 17:43:22< shadowm> vultraz: I think what you don't realize is that we can no longer afford alienating our userbase with frivolous syntax changes at this point (and not everyone uses wmllint/wmllint is not God).
20151213 17:43:42< vultraz> at this point?
20151213 17:43:45< vultraz> What point is this
20151213 17:44:03< shadowm> If you break something that UMC developers use, you risk causing them to stop producing/porting content.
20151213 17:44:19< shadowm> Any single UMC developer lost is lost value for Wesnoth.
20151213 17:44:38< shadowm> And your question is ridiculous seeing as how you yourself phrased it best: "sinking ship".
20151213 17:45:43< vultraz> Just making sure we're on the same page
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20151213 18:15:45< gfgtdf> anyone motivated to fix the 2 bugs noted in the RN?
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20151213 18:30:13< Aginor> gfgtdf: what are the links? I could have a look when I return from work
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20151213 19:02:33< gfgtdf> Aginor: i was talking about the [event] in [unit] and [set_menu_item] issues, they are mostlikeley unrelated to the code that you worke on so far.
20151213 19:03:24< gfgtdf> worked*
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20151213 23:54:42< stephenhl> I noticed on the July call for help on the website (sorry I just saw it) that you said it felt old. What do you have in mind (it sounds like you may have major changes in mind)
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