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20160202 13:51:11< vn971> seems like "4p A New Land" has a very boring solution.(
20160202 13:52:21< vn971> just hide in a mushroom cave, defend in a position of village+fort against 1 shallow water tile for the enemy.
20160202 13:52:41< vn971> still have to play to the end, but I guess I'll win. Let's see..
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20160202 14:00:23< Rhonda> vn971, vincent_c: Uploaded, waiting for approval - pre-approval was done already.
20160202 14:02:24< vn971> vn971: everything seems to work -- "Rhonda: OK, I tried to use it, it works AFAICT."  "Rhonda: You mean the launchpad bug tracker, right?"
20160202 14:06:26< Rhonda> Yes, I gave you the specific link even.
20160202 14:06:47< Rhonda> 13:20 <Rhonda> vn971: If it works for you please report so in https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1539085 that the real backport can get published, that would be really sweet of you.
20160202 14:06:59< Rhonda> vn971: But it's already done by someone else. :)
20160202 14:11:18< vn971> Rhonda: I must have been offline, I didn't see that.
20160202 14:13:22< Rhonda> That was directly the next minute. :)
20160202 14:16:00< vn971> Rhonda: maybe. But I checked the chat logs, so I really must have gone offline.
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20160202 14:21:33< Soliton> there was a netsplit at the time.
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20160202 14:46:53< vn971> confirmed, it really /is/ trivial to win the "4p A New Land" game.
20160202 14:48:19< vn971> pity, because there is some big work seemingly done in the game rules (macros). I can still play "fair" and try expand from the center though.
20160202 14:52:50< Ravana_> A New Land was originally UMC, that should explain
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20160202 15:16:49< vn971> Ravana_: well, I don't think UMC is necessary bad or unbalanced..:P
20160202 15:17:18< vn971> Ravana_: although it of course tends to be in many cases, especially when some people start to toy with an old proprietary game.
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20160202 15:17:36< Ravana_> exactly, I meant that for core game it is most unlikely that someone would create something so advanced
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20160202 15:18:05< vn971> Ravana_: easiest rule to see such things: people add super-units and super-super units, not balancing old ones or creating weaker types.
20160202 15:18:20< vn971> Ravana_: ah. OK.:)
20160202 15:18:47< Ravana_> I have been weakening super-super units
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20160202 15:19:38< vn971> Ravana_: in which game? A map of wesnoth?
20160202 15:19:47< Ravana_> I maintain ageless era
20160202 15:20:45< vn971> Ravana_: 'k.
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20160202 15:30:11< vn971> * ah, and by the way, the map is winnable using 1 player instead of 4.
20160202 15:30:43< vn971> (1 player is enough to buy 2 peasants, run to the cave and build a fortification there.)
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20160202 21:03:38< gfgtdf> vn971: yes its known that A lew land can be won easily be hiding in the caves, howevers if you want to defeat all enemy leaders (instead of just surviving 30 turns) like most players do afaik, this is definiteley not the easiest way, becasue escaping form the cave is quiet annyoing.
20160202 21:05:01< gfgtdf> vn971: even if this was not the case its still the players choice on how they want to play a game. If people think that it shouldnt be possible to hide in teh caves in 'A new land' they shodul just not do it
20160202 21:23:44< DeFender1031> gfgtdf, what you're basically saying is "are you a man or a coward?"
20160202 21:23:53< DeFender1031> :P
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20160202 21:40:49< vn971> gfgtdf: yes. My remark was about about the formal game goals -- they are very easy (too easy) to meet.
20160202 21:41:12< vn971> gfgtdf: if you set yourself higher goals, hiding in caves is not cool.
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