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But I never played XP era! 20160213 11:03:54< Ravana_> vn971: just suggest new description (either for xp mod or for any other of my addons) and I can update 20160213 11:03:56< shadowm> Laziness or lack of consideration for users. 20160213 11:04:12< vn971> shadowm: sorry, both "name" and "description" are very often unreadable (to me). 20160213 11:04:45< vn971> the "XP modification" is comparably good though, I wrongly picked that one to write about. 20160213 11:04:55< shadowm> I added the description box ages ago with the intention of allowing authors to explain their add-on in as many paragraphs as necessary. 20160213 11:05:19< shadowm> There's really no reason to not use the description box to its fullest. 20160213 11:05:39< Ravana_> I don't get that now, I updated it last week, description says < but seems that at least web interface of addons server has the old description 20160213 11:07:43< shadowm> Oh yes, that reminds me that the web index generation task has been broken since December. 20160213 11:08:00< shadowm> Maybe some kind soul could start pinging me every 8 hours to get me to fix it. 20160213 11:11:41< vn971> Maybe like that? 20160213 11:11:41< vn971> This addon allows you to spend unit experince for upgrades. Costs can be adjustable at game start, and by default are: 20160213 11:11:41< vn971> * 999 xp for 999 health 20160213 11:11:41< vn971> * 999 xp for 1 additional damage (for each weapon) 20160213 11:11:41< vn971> * 999 xp for 1 additional strikes (for each weapon) 20160213 11:11:41< vn971> This addon mimics the "XP era" from wesnoth-1.10. 20160213 11:11:41< vn971> Based on work of ***. 20160213 11:12:07< vn971> but yeah, I write my confusion mentioning different addons than the once I've struggled with. 20160213 11:13:56< vn971> * 999 xp for 1 movement (for the next turn and all subsequent) 20160213 11:16:44-!- wario [~wario_@unaffiliated/wario] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 11:21:49< vn971> if you spend some time you will not have any problems with understanding "to upgrade unit strikes" of course.. But I don't believe a typical wesnoth newcomer knows this. 20160213 11:22:50< vn971> *sorry, I meant "if you spend some time if WML" 20160213 11:22:59< Ravana_> like this? http://vgy.me/EfmmeO.png 20160213 11:24:58< Ravana_> admittedly, my target group is not newcomers 20160213 11:26:12< vn971> Ravana_: yes, seems good. Note however that I accidentally erased "rightclick" text. 20160213 11:26:45< vn971> Ravana_: so the text does not state how to do that. Should be obvious to understand though, and not critical while considering whether to download the addon. 20160213 11:27:06< vn971> so, yes, seems good. Thanks! 20160213 11:35:36< Ravana_> updated for 1.12, 1.13 will have to wait until I manage to compile it 20160213 11:52:36-!- Haudegen [~quassel@85.124.51.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20160213 11:54:42-!- Kwandulin [~Miranda@p200300760F0BC5E8583E7BF0A0476587.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20160213 12:10:12-!- Haudegen [~quassel@85.124.51.57] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 12:15:02-!- vultraz [~chatzilla@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20160213 12:19:33-!- Nobun [~nobun@host85-57-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 12:37:50-!- claymore2 [~hexchat@host86-173-37-90.range86-173.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20160213 12:46:46-!- shurnormal [~uxio@unaffiliated/ushiu] has quit [Quit: maintenance] 20160213 12:52:13-!- louis94 [~~louis94@13.149-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 12:59:26-!- louis94 [~~louis94@13.149-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20160213 13:02:22-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 13:06:11-!- claymore2 [~hexchat@host86-173-37-90.range86-173.btcentralplus.com] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 13:27:53-!- DreadKnight [~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight] has quit [Quit: #AncientBeast - Master Your Beasts ( www.AncientBeast.com )] 20160213 13:37:53-!- Kwandulin [~Miranda@p200300760F0BC5114122825F0007FCA3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 13:47:24-!- Johannes13_ [~Johannes@unaffiliated/johannes13] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 13:49:04-!- Nobun [~nobun@host85-57-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Salve a tutti] 20160213 14:01:36-!- Johannes13_ [~Johannes@unaffiliated/johannes13] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20160213 14:05:30-!- louis94 [~~louis94@13.149-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 14:22:00-!- irco [~irco@HSI-KBW-078-042-015-165.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 14:30:24-!- irco [~irco@HSI-KBW-078-042-015-165.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20160213 14:45:31-!- vultraz [~chatzilla@124.109.10.167] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 14:45:31-!- vultraz [~chatzilla@124.109.10.167] has quit [Changing host] 20160213 14:45:31-!- vultraz [~chatzilla@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 14:55:38-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 15:01:53-!- irco [~irco@HSI-KBW-078-042-015-165.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 15:36:24-!- wario [~wario_@unaffiliated/wario] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20160213 15:36:32-!- claymore2 [~hexchat@host86-173-37-90.range86-173.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20160213 15:37:04-!- prkc [~prkc@51B6E6A0.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 16:18:46-!- Kwandulin [~Miranda@p200300760F0BC5114122825F0007FCA3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20160213 16:22:41-!- louis94 [~~louis94@13.149-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20160213 16:34:34-!- Nobun [~nobun@host85-57-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 16:49:16-!- Alduin_ [~Alduin@p200300864458E300E29467FFFE0EE8C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 16:52:26-!- Kwandulin [~Miranda@p200300760F0BC51171FF05B61EAE054B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 16:53:24< vn971> a newbie question perhaps: how can I get "out of sync" on a multi-player map, with no addons seemingly enabled? The map is in the current lobby, "defend center - must know map" ("A new land"). 20160213 16:53:52< vn971> Era: default. "Use map settings". 20160213 16:54:15< vn971> is it normal? Is it likely to be my misconfiguration, or one from the players? 20160213 16:55:54< Ravana_> which oos message? 20160213 16:59:00-!- louis94 [~~louis94@13.149-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 16:59:42< vn971> like "the player has bought a mage, but he should not have enough money to do that". 20160213 16:59:58< vn971> Ravana_: I can quote more precisely (re-enter the game and copy). 20160213 17:00:03< Ravana_> then having addon 20160213 17:00:25< Ravana_> someone has addon that changes core unit unsafely 20160213 17:00:27< Nobun> it can happen, for example, becouse YOUR OPPONENT has an addon 20160213 17:00:50< Nobun> like Ravana_ said... an addon that brakes core unit 20160213 17:01:45< vn971> Nobun: Ravana_: ah, so the host does not have tricky add-ons, but the _player_ has them? 20160213 17:02:00< Ravana_> might be host, might be player 20160213 17:02:01< vn971> Nobun: Ravana_: ... and activated even though the host says "no addons" 20160213 17:02:49< Nobun> this can happen, becouse opponents joining your match could ignore your "match title" 20160213 17:03:09< Ravana_> no addons means that no addons found by preprocessor 20160213 17:03:12< Nobun> however not all add-ons create this problem, but only the unsafe ones, like Ravana_ said 20160213 17:03:22-!- Alduin_ [~Alduin@p200300864458E300E29467FFFE0EE8C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20160213 17:04:05< vn971> Nobun: the ones that do NOT place their code inside [modification] block? 20160213 17:04:12< Ravana_> I guess its from singleplayer content where authors are used to being able to do anything 20160213 17:04:49< Ravana_> does not matter if modification is active, important is whether preprocessor reads it 20160213 17:05:29< Ravana_> modifications I expect to understand dangers of oos and use synced actions 20160213 17:16:00-!- Alduin_ [~Alduin@2001:4ca0:4fff:4::a] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 17:45:13< vn971> another question.. (Sorry for noob-ness again) why can't I join a game? It says there are vacant slots. 20160213 17:45:23< vn971> but there is an unknown to me era 20160213 17:45:31< vn971> "Ageless era". 20160213 17:46:17< vn971> it means the era goes from an addon (even though the entry does not list any addons), right? 20160213 17:48:49< Nobun> vn971: it means that you need to install that era to play that game 20160213 17:49:32< Nobun> you notice it is displayed in grey since the uploaded game requires a specific add-on you don't own (usually an era, like in this case) 20160213 17:49:56< vn971> Nobun: ok. Can/should wesnoth list those mandatory eras in the "addons" list then? 20160213 17:49:57< Nobun> but I suggest you to search a game with default era ;) 20160213 17:50:09< Nobun> no add-ons are mandatory 20160213 17:50:16< Nobun> it is the choice of the hoster of the game 20160213 17:50:26< vn971> Nobun: but I can't even watch the game in the list without this addon. 20160213 17:50:40< Nobun> simply... if you are not interested in a era, don't install it... and search for another hosted game :) 20160213 17:51:05< vn971> so, in practice, it is mandatory. 20160213 17:51:09< Nobun> yep... since you don't know the units used by that game, that are available in that era 20160213 17:51:23< Ravana_> what would you watch without having the addon? all images are in addon 20160213 17:51:29< Nobun> nope... it is "mandatory" only if you are interested in that specific game 20160213 17:51:39< vn971> Nobun: OK, I understood. So my question now sliced from "what's happening" to "would it not be better if **". 20160213 17:52:21< Nobun> vn971: nothing in wesnoth is mandatory 20160213 17:52:43< vn971> Ravana_: I can't watch anything without the addon, that's true. (well, we are talking about a normal situation where the user wants graphics.) 20160213 17:52:48< Nobun> it all depends on: what you are interested in, what do you actually want to watch/play 20160213 17:53:06< vn971> Ravana_: but that's exactly my point. Why not list the addon that brings a new era in the addon list? 20160213 17:53:24< vn971> Ravana_: is it mandatory to watch this exact game? Yes it is. Why not list it. 20160213 17:53:31< vn971> Ravana_: this is a UI question. 20160213 17:53:48< Ravana_> I recall idea to do this.. eventually 20160213 17:55:23< vn971> ah, BTW, if you someday will feel my questions are troll-like without a proposed PR, please tell so. I generally think it's a worthwile thing to ask UI questions, but since I ask too many recently, you may as well stop me. 20160213 17:56:08< vn971> I just really don't know CPP, so I can't help it. Only Scala/java/ a bit of freepascal. 20160213 17:58:09< Ravana_> right, https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=41389 , obsolete, so not likely anymore 20160213 17:59:29< Ravana_> actually, seems that THAT thing did get into 1.13 20160213 18:50:18-!- DeFender1031 [~DeFender1@89-139-31-110.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 18:53:00-!- Haudegen [~quassel@85.124.51.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20160213 18:56:22-!- Narrat [~Narrat@p548DD001.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 19:06:31-!- vn971 [~pidgin971@91.247.233.240] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20160213 19:06:50-!- vn971 [~pidgin971@91.247.233.240] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 19:10:17-!- Haudegen [~quassel@85.124.51.57] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 19:11:35-!- vn971 [~pidgin971@91.247.233.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20160213 19:11:46-!- vn971 [~pidgin971@91.247.233.240] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 19:15:48-!- louis94 [~~louis94@13.149-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20160213 19:45:40-!- trewe [~trewe@bl20-32-64.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 19:50:36-!- Vorpal_ is now known as Vorpal 20160213 20:25:18-!- Alduin_ [~Alduin@2001:4ca0:4fff:4::a] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20160213 20:25:47-!- DeFender1031 [~DeFender1@89-139-31-110.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Quit: I'm not back now.] 20160213 20:38:49-!- shurnormal [~uxio@unaffiliated/ushiu] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 21:10:04-!- claymore2 [~hexchat@host86-173-37-90.range86-173.btcentralplus.com] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 21:17:25-!- ancestral [~ancestral@209.181.254.220] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 21:28:05-!- Kwandulin [~Miranda@p200300760F0BC51171FF05B61EAE054B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20160213 21:29:42-!- ancestral [~ancestral@209.181.254.220] has quit [Quit: i go nstuf kthxbai] 20160213 21:31:24-!- Nobun [~nobun@host85-57-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20160213 21:35:20-!- ancestral [~ancestral@209.181.254.220] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 21:37:19-!- DeFender1031 [~DeFender1@89-139-31-110.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 21:58:13-!- ancestral [~ancestral@209.181.254.220] has quit [Quit: i go nstuf kthxbai] 20160213 22:01:56-!- claymore2 [~hexchat@host86-173-37-90.range86-173.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20160213 22:14:59-!- shurnormal [~uxio@unaffiliated/ushiu] has quit [Quit: poweroff] 20160213 22:17:48-!- trewe [~trewe@bl20-32-64.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: quit] 20160213 22:18:24-!- Falcon` [falcon@hell.kolosowscy.pl] has quit [Quit: I'll be back!] 20160213 22:45:30-!- louis94 [~~louis94@13.149-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 22:49:08-!- Falcon` [falcon@hell.kolosowscy.pl] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 23:03:45-!- Falcon` [falcon@hell.kolosowscy.pl] has quit [Quit: I'll be back!] 20160213 23:20:13-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Quit: mattsc] 20160213 23:26:19-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 23:38:18-!- Falcon` [falcon@hell.kolosowscy.pl] has joined #wesnoth 20160213 23:47:30-!- irco [~irco@HSI-KBW-078-042-015-165.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] --- Log closed Sun Feb 14 00:00:11 2016