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20160216 02:21:35< DeFender1031> so, i decided to try to teach myself WML. Seems the tutorial is missing some crucial bits of information, but given my experience as a software dev, i'm familiar enough with code to just cross-reference with the documnetation and existing WML files to figure most of it out. Anyway that being said, i was trying to find a way to extend the attributes and child tags of an existing unit WITHOUT creating a new one with a base unit 
20160216 02:21:36< DeFender1031> attribute. Something similar to the + sign before a tag name, but referencing a specific unit by id rather than just adding stuff to the most recent one. Is there a way to do this, or am I shooting in the dark here?
20160216 03:06:01< vultraz> [modify_unit]
20160216 03:15:56< DeFender1031> 1. thanks, i was looking for a syntax solution and didn't think to look for a new tag instead. 2. unless i'm missing something, this seems to be for existing units matching a filter rather than all units. does it work retroactively on units created after it's triggered?
20160216 03:23:14< shadowm> LIke all actions, it operates on existing units/terrain/etc. only.
20160216 03:24:26< DeFender1031> then it doesn't quite do what i asked
20160216 03:25:10< DeFender1031> ah, my question was vague
20160216 03:25:12< shadowm> You did say "an existing unit".
20160216 03:25:19< DeFender1031> right
20160216 03:25:52< DeFender1031> but i'm actually asking if there's a way to add WML to an existing unit TYPE from my WML.
20160216 03:26:14< shadowm> Oh. No, not really. Unit types are completely immutable once defined.
20160216 03:26:50< DeFender1031> for example, let's say i wanted to add a particular attack for all units of a particular type in a particular scenario, or change their recruitment cost or description or such
20160216 03:26:55< DeFender1031> ah. hmm.
20160216 03:27:02< shadowm> You can do that still, though.
20160216 03:27:07< DeFender1031> how so?
20160216 03:27:31< DeFender1031> using events that basically implement those changes at recruit/recall/whatever?
20160216 03:27:40< DeFender1031> or something less annoying?
20160216 03:27:44< shadowm> This page documents the different "effects" (think modifications) that can be applied to singular units using traits or objects or AMLAs: https://wiki.wesnoth.org/EffectWML
20160216 03:28:23< shadowm> The syntax therein is that of the [effect] tag, which is used by the [object] action, and the [trait], [object], and [advance] ([advancement] in 1.13.x) modifications ([modifications]).
20160216 03:29:58< DeFender1031> right
20160216 03:33:49< DeFender1031> eh, i'll try to play with this more tomorrow. Thanks for the help, guys
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20160216 04:23:18< janebot> Tweet (by @Wesnoth) .@corwinschrock not likely, since we don't have anyone experienced with the platform (plus there may be licensing issues, not sure). [ https://twitter.com/Wesnoth/status/699448944036741122 ]
20160216 04:24:08< janebot> Tweet (by @Wesnoth) .@DJStefandeJong glad you got it working :) [ https://twitter.com/Wesnoth/status/699449151994527744 ]
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20160216 04:25:22< janebot> Tweet (by @Wesnoth) (RT @AzureLazuline) happy valentine's day! print this out and send to people you want to smooch #valentines #love #cute #pun https://t.co/CV… [ https://twitter.com/Wesnoth/status/699449462876299264 ]
20160216 04:25:45< janebot> Tweet (by @Wesnoth) (RT @frogatto) hit point bars? hit point bars! #screenshotsaturday https://t.co/qZt1Zqec4t [ https://twitter.com/Wesnoth/status/699449559366250496 ]
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20160216 04:33:27< janebot> Tweet (by @Wesnoth) .@MatiDaglio is that a compliment? :P [ https://twitter.com/Wesnoth/status/699451499848404992 ]
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20160216 08:05:02< janebot> Tweet (by @Wesnoth) .@DJStefandeJong our OS X packager checked the 1.12.5 DMG and it seems to be working fine. [ https://twitter.com/Wesnoth/status/699504742188191744 ]
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20160216 11:26:27< vn971> if there are many healers around 1 unit, only one healer will apply?
20160216 11:26:35< vn971> or all of them?
20160216 11:27:08< vn971> (is there a maximum of 8 HP to be healed?)
20160216 11:27:13< Kwandulin> only 1
20160216 11:27:13< Kwandulin> yes
20160216 11:27:41< Kwandulin> dunno what happens if you got two +4 healers, though
20160216 12:20:59< vn971> Kwandulin: thanks.
20160216 12:21:12< vn971> maybe it should be expanded a bit in the manual:
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20160216 12:21:26< vn971> Help > Wesnoth > Gameplay > Healing
20160216 12:21:54< vn971> it says each healer will heal "each adjacent unit".
20160216 12:22:46< vn971> maybe we should append smth like "if many healers are present for a unit, only one will be used".
20160216 12:22:50< vn971> thoughts?
20160216 12:22:56< Ravana_> UNLESS they are from different sides
20160216 12:32:00< vn971> Ravana_: aha, that's an important correction.
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20160216 12:40:40< Soliton> "Resting can be combined with other forms of healing, but villages, regeneration, healing and curing cannot combine with each other: the best option will be used."
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20160216 13:04:28< vn971> Soliton: yes, that's what the manual says. I interpreted it initially as "regeneration cannot be combined with healing", "curing with regeneration" etc. But not as "healing cannot be combined with healing".
20160216 13:06:29< Soliton> you're welcome to suggest better wording.
20160216 13:07:32< DeFender1031> How about "Resting can be combined with other forms of healing, but villages, regeneration, healing and curing cannot combine with each other or themselves: the best option will be used."
20160216 13:08:14< DeFender1031> (though, healing is really the only one which it would be even possible to layer like that...)
20160216 13:08:49< Soliton> sounds like an improvement to me.
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20160216 14:25:46< celticminstrel> I'm fairly sure two +4 healers means you get +4.
20160216 14:26:07< celticminstrel> Healing does not stack with itself, so it'll take the maximum value of all adjacent (and self) healers.
20160216 14:28:30< celticminstrel> If they're from different sides, they activate at different times, right? So if you have your own healer and an allied healer, you'll be healed at the start of your turn and again at the start of the ally's turn.
20160216 14:40:36< Soliton> yes.
20160216 14:44:58< vn971> so yes, there still is a problem in that the last wording do not take allied units in mind.
20160216 14:45:46< vn971> should think about it a bit more.
20160216 14:58:21< vn971> Maybe like that: "Villages, healing and curing are mutually exclusive, and each team can only apply one healing to a unit at the start of a turn. Resting applies separately afterwards, and thus can be combined with other forms of healing. Note that multiple adjacent healers may heal a unit more than once if they belong to different teams."
20160216 15:03:34< vn971> * Note that multiple healers belonging to different teams may heal a unit more than once (each at the start of its turn).
20160216 15:03:50< vn971> * Note that healers belonging to different teams may heal a unit more than once (each at the start of its turn).
20160216 15:04:09< Ravana_> most healings only affect allies so I don't think core description needs to include that case
20160216 15:04:45< celticminstrel> Healings do affect allies though, right?
20160216 15:04:47< vn971> Ravana_: you mean "most healings only affect _own_ units" ?
20160216 15:04:52< Ravana_> no
20160216 15:05:04< Ravana_> you said that different teams may heal same unit
20160216 15:06:50< Soliton> the point was to make clear that multiple healings are possible that way not that healing affects allies.
20160216 15:07:23< Ravana_> multiple healers belonging to different *teams* may heal a unit
20160216 15:07:54< Soliton> *more than once*
20160216 15:08:08< Ravana_> while some healing does affect enemies do, I don't think core includes any
20160216 15:09:48< celticminstrel> Oh, I see your problem. Try "healers belonging to different sides" instead of "healers belonging to different teams".
20160216 15:10:10< celticminstrel> Since "team" may mean "a group of sides that are allied with each other".
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20160216 15:22:54< vn971> ah, right actually. Team is a group of sides, thus we should write "sides". (If write at all, but I think some clarity would be cool.)
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20160216 23:13:37< DeFender1031> how are the images created? (Specifically sprites and portraits.) Is there a set of svgs somewhere that they're based on, or are they made by some other means?
20160216 23:14:28< shadowm> Sprites are pixel art, portraits are usually hand-drawn (digitally). So, nope, no SVGs.
20160216 23:17:05< DeFender1031> pretty impressive for pixel art then.
20160216 23:18:56< DeFender1031> aw well... guess i'll have to teach myself to draw as well if i want to make anything that looks halfway decent :P (Or, more likely, use placeholders until I have something worth showing and then convince someone else to make good graphics for it)
20160216 23:20:37< shadowm> Good luck with either approach. :p
20160216 23:21:39< DeFender1031> thanks. maybe i ought to just start out with something more basic that doesn't require new graphics... unfortunately the story i came up with does.
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