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20160223 10:09:14< DeFender1031> Can anyone recommend a good command-line palette swap utility? Something that i can just pass a series of pngs (eg, all animation files for the same unit type) and a list of "from" and "to" RGBA values and have it output those same files with all the matching "from" pixels converted to the corresponding "to" ones? It seems like such a utility must exist somewhere, as it's a VERY simple process, but i can't seem to find it 
20160223 10:09:16< DeFender1031> anywhere. I'd be able to write it myself in a few hours if I were more familiar with the png format...
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20160223 10:11:39< zookeeper> i'm sure imagemagick can do it, but it's a general-purpose image-processing tool and i don't know how complicated a palette swap like that is to implement with it.
20160223 10:12:45< zookeeper> and there's also shadowm's TC/RC tool of which i've heard nothing in a long time and probably never tried it myself
20160223 10:14:02< zookeeper> http://shadowm.ai0867.net/projects/wesnoth-rcx and http://shadowm.ai0867.net/projects/wesnoth-tc
20160223 10:14:12< zookeeper> maybe you can use those with custom palettes, i don't know
20160223 10:15:04< DeFender1031> yeah, i looked at documentation for imagemagick and it doesn't seem like it fully supports the alpha channel for palette swapping (which is obviously very important here)
20160223 10:15:34< DeFender1031> hmmmm...
20160223 10:15:46< DeFender1031> these may be useful in that regard
20160223 10:16:41< DeFender1031> tc looks like it may be able to do what i need
20160223 10:17:51< DeFender1031> thanks
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20160223 14:44:06< DeFender1031> I have two questions about delay= for the [image] tag in the story intro. 1. Is it supposed to be the delay before the current image? Because from what i'm seeing, the first image will always appear immediately, and the delay of the specified time will occur AFTER the image appears, but before showing the next one (if there is one) 2. Is there a way to have an image fade in rather than simply appear?
20160223 14:46:26< zookeeper> 1. probably exactly what you see, 2. not without using multiple gradually less translucent images (which is easy enough with the ~O https://wiki.wesnoth.org/ImagePathFunctionWML)
20160223 14:47:28< DeFender1031> 1. why would it be that way?
20160223 14:47:52< DeFender1031> wouldn't it make sense for the delay to apply to THIS image, rather than the next one?
20160223 14:47:58 * zookeeper shrugs
20160223 14:48:25< DeFender1031> i mean, i can work around it by having the first image be completely transparent, but still, it seems pretty weird.
20160223 14:48:34< zookeeper> i mean, if it's this image, then the logic is "show this image for X time before the next thing happens", which isn't that counterintuitive
20160223 14:49:21< DeFender1031> also, the macros for thins (NEW_JOURNEY, NEW_BATTLE, etc.) seem to expect the same behavior as i'm talking about, as they have a delay on the last entry as well
20160223 14:49:34< DeFender1031> this*
20160223 14:49:59< DeFender1031> i sort of hear that, although it prevents having a delay before the first image, and makes the delay parameter of the last image pretty useless
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20160223 15:07:26< celticminstrel> I think the delay= is meant to be the duration of time for which the image is shown, or something?
20160223 15:07:30< celticminstrel> I dunno.
20160223 15:07:46< zookeeper> clearly not.
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20160223 17:13:58< DeFender1031> is it considered safe to link directly to images from mainline campaigns from add-on campaigns or is it better to copy the image into the new add-on?
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20160223 17:14:52< Soliton> there are distributions that allow you to choose which mainline campaigns to install.
20160223 17:15:20< DeFender1031> so i have my answer.
20160223 17:15:22< DeFender1031> thanks
20160223 17:15:32< DeFender1031> though core is always safe to link to, right?
20160223 17:16:36< Soliton> yeah.
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20160223 19:28:59< zookeeper> vn971, celticminstrel, i think the "For each turn for each of your allies" part can easily be understood as only allied healers being able to do it, not your own.
20160223 19:29:53< zookeeper> any reason why the last line was changed to remove mention of different forms of healing not stacking?
20160223 19:30:19< vn971> zookeeper: you think of adding something like "for each your and your allies turn", or just that the wording seems too heavyweight?..
20160223 19:31:01< vn971> zookeeper: celticminstrel: more context to check out: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/pull/604
20160223 19:31:17< zookeeper> yes, that is the context :>
20160223 19:32:03< vn971> zookeeper: since a full description is already given earlier, why have the doubtful at the bottom?
20160223 19:33:15< zookeeper> what full description where?
20160223 19:33:41< vn971> zookeeper: well, the part earlier where I tried to explain the healing process step by step.
20160223 19:34:11< vn971> zookeeper: which already says "if those units are not poisoned and were not cured by the same side this turn",
20160223 19:34:28< vn971> "If it was not poisoned and was not healed/cured by own units this turn"
20160223 19:34:29< vn971> etc
20160223 19:34:47< zookeeper> oh, in the village/regen bit
20160223 19:35:54< vn971> zookeeper: note that, if in doubt, you can of course discard the whole wording until a better one is found. I'm not native in English..
20160223 19:36:04< zookeeper> well i think the fact that most forms of healing don't stack is a fundamental aspect of how the whole system works, so it should be mentioned separately and not just in the details of one form of healing
20160223 19:36:15< vn971> or "to English". Well, you see the point..)
20160223 19:36:29< zookeeper> also, shame on github for not having a word-wrapping option
20160223 19:36:40< vn971> zookeeper: it can, but then again healing can actually be combined with curing.
20160223 19:36:44< vn971> and healing with healing.
20160223 19:37:14< vn971> if they took place at different times (different allies turns).
20160223 19:38:11< vn971> zookeeper: maybe I should wrap the text before committing? Or would the wrapping leak to the real help?..
20160223 19:38:32< zookeeper> nonono
20160223 19:38:59< zookeeper> (you shouldn't, and yes it might)
20160223 19:39:12< celticminstrel> zookeeper: If you switch to side-by-side diff, it word-wraps it.
20160223 19:39:25< zookeeper> yeah, i noticed
20160223 19:39:50< zookeeper> well i think the english is fine, but comparing side-to-side with the original version, i think the original is quite a bit more idiot-proof and to-the-point, even though it doesn't contain all the details of allied healing
20160223 19:40:47< zookeeper> resting gives you 2. villages heal 8. regeneration heals 8. etc, etc
20160223 19:41:21< zookeeper> whereas if you know nothing of the game yet, it can be quite an ordeal to try to understand and remember what "For each turn for each of your allies, units with the <ref>dst='ability_heals +4' text='heals'</ref> ability will heal your adjacent units if those units are not poisoned and were not cured by the same side this turn." means
20160223 19:42:55< zookeeper> i don't know how possible it is to trim down your version to be (almost) as simple and concise as the original while still keeping it as technically correct as it is now
20160223 19:44:18< zookeeper> perhaps a better alternative would be to keep the current one more or less intact, and just add a separate "advanced" section below it which details cases like allied healing?
20160223 19:45:13< zookeeper> then you could have the basics explained in very simple terms, but also the more rare cases explained in case someone comes looking for that information
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20160223 19:56:59< vn971> > just add a separate "advanced" section below it
20160223 19:57:00< vn971> That could be a good way to go.
20160223 19:58:54< vn971> so, the simple version would be smth like "4 forms of healing blah-blah-blah and are mutually exclusive".
20160223 19:59:05< vn971> zookeeper: I guess I could try to find a wording for that.
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