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20160303 08:07:31< zookeeper> vn971, do you have any of those further tweaks to the healing help coming up soon?
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20160303 08:46:08< vn971> zookeeper: yes, of course, the thing we discussed still holds (pity it's not on GH, anyway). If I find some time, I'll make the addition.  https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/pull/604#event-575661587
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20160303 10:28:37< zookeeper> vn971, actually i ended up starting to write a possible alternative myself, we'll see how that goes...
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20160303 11:10:34< DeFender1031> what's the difference between ~SCALE(), ~XBRZ() and ~SCALE_SHARP()?
20160303 11:16:20< DeFender1031> hmm... SCALE_SHARP and XBRZ don't seem to be working for me.
20160303 11:18:07< zookeeper> i think they're 1.13 only, and just not marked as such
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20160303 12:17:03< vultraz> 1.13 only, yes
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20160303 13:11:45< DeFender1031> they ought to be documented as such... I assume that's why I can't get ADJUST_ALPHA to work either?
20160303 13:20:04< zookeeper> yes
20160303 13:20:30< zookeeper> i'll poke iceiceice about those when he's online (since he added them), unless someone adds the devfeature tags before that.
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20160303 13:25:17< celmin|sleep> PLOT_ALPHA and WIPE_ALPHA too?
20160303 13:25:37< celmin|sleep> Any idea which minor version?
20160303 13:26:20< zookeeper> no ide
20160303 13:26:21< zookeeper> a
20160303 13:26:54< celmin|sleep> I'll just say 2 then. iceiceice or whoever can feel free to update it if that's wrong, but at least they'll be marked as 1.13 only.
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20160303 16:36:32< shadowm> celticminstrel: 1.13.0, according to the changelog (I just edited the page).
20160303 16:36:53< celticminstrel> Okay.
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20160303 22:29:10< DeFender1031> is there either A: a version or rumble.ogg or something similar that's just one boom without the echo or B: some way to make a sound cut off or fade out before it finishes playing?
20160303 22:31:09< DeFender1031> (basically, i'm looking for the sound of a large object impacting the ground)
20160303 22:32:54< celticminstrel> Hmm, something like IPF but for sounds could be an interesting idea... wonder if it's worth it...
20160303 22:33:35< celticminstrel> I don't think there's any way to make a sound cut off early, and I have very little idea of what sounds the game provides - the best way to find out is to just open up the data folder and listen to all of them.
20160303 22:34:12< zookeeper> DeFender1031, there isn't (aside from editing the sound yourself), but maybe the new club sound would fit the bill: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/data/core/sounds/club.ogg
20160303 22:34:14< DeFender1031> i basically opened up the folder and read through all the names, listening to those that seemed promising
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20160303 22:35:00< DeFender1031> zookeeper, is there a way to grab just this file from the webpage?
20160303 22:35:09< celticminstrel> Yes.
20160303 22:35:23< celticminstrel> Click Raw. (Or, right-click Raw and select Save As.)
20160303 22:36:35< DeFender1031> ah
20160303 22:36:37< DeFender1031> thanks
20160303 22:38:05< DeFender1031> hmm... i need more of a boom than a thwack. rumble is right, it just echoes for too long. I guess i'll just open up audacity and play with that.
20160303 22:43:49< zookeeper> well i'm sure you can find a more or less endless amount of boomy thumpy impact sounds on the internets
20160303 22:44:41< zookeeper> i'm equally sure i have dozens of those in my sound collection, if only i could find the right ones... :p
20160303 22:48:45< zookeeper> anyway, http://opengameart.org/ is a convenient first place to look for basic stuff like that
20160303 22:54:32< zookeeper> celticminstrel, i've often pondered about an IPF-like system for sounds, but frankly i haven't really been able to figure out how much use it would really see.
20160303 22:58:11< DeFender1031> zookeeper, looking for stuff on the internet comes with its share of questions about copyright
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20160303 22:58:31< zookeeper> DeFender1031, plenty of public domain stuff out there
20160303 22:59:02< DeFender1031> as for IPF-like stuff for sounds, it crossed my mind, but aside from ~CUT(), ~FADE_IN(), and ~FADE_OUT, i'm not sure what use it would be.
20160303 22:59:08< zookeeper> celticminstrel, the main use would be to combine sounds to create longer sounds from multiple shorter ones, and maybe in some cases change the pitch.
20160303 23:00:05< celticminstrel> Changing the pitch would be great. You could make a song from the holy magic sound. :P
20160303 23:00:29< celticminstrel> (Well, from one of them - there's already several with different pitches, as I recall.)
20160303 23:00:34< celticminstrel> (Chosen at random.)
20160303 23:00:39< DeFender1031> celticminstrel, good point
20160303 23:00:51< zookeeper> (and by pitch i mean the speed, naturally... you wouldn't want to try to write an actual pitch-shifter)
20160303 23:01:30< celticminstrel> Okay fine.
20160303 23:02:22< celticminstrel> You're just talking about playing the clip at a different sample rate, rather than actually resampling it.
20160303 23:02:51< celticminstrel> (Which is indeed a far simpler thing to do, since it involves no change to the sound data - you're just interpreting the same data differently.)
20160303 23:03:33< celticminstrel> But scaling already involves resampling, so if you're worried about efficiency, I'm not sure it would be much worse than ~SCALE().
20160303 23:08:41< zookeeper> uh, no, i didn't make any distinction between playspeed and resampling
20160303 23:09:05< zookeeper> they're the same thing at the level i'm talking at
20160303 23:09:07< celticminstrel> You said you wouldn't want to try to write an actual pitch-shifter.
20160303 23:09:31< zookeeper> yes, a pitch-shifter is a thing which shifts the pitch without changing the duration
20160303 23:09:32< celticminstrel> I assumed by "actual pitch-shifter" you meant "resampler", ie to change the pitch without changing the length.
20160303 23:09:39< celticminstrel> Duration, whatever.
20160303 23:09:54< zookeeper> a resampler changes the duration
20160303 23:10:23< celticminstrel> Well, yes, I think it can do that too - changing the duration without changing the pitch.
20160303 23:10:52< zookeeper> i've never seen these kinds of things called "resamplers", although maybe in some very specific contexts they might be
20160303 23:11:10< celticminstrel> Hmm.
20160303 23:11:25< zookeeper> i'm pretty sure that in common parlance a resampler just means a dumb resampler which basically just plays the same thing faster or slower.
20160303 23:11:50< zookeeper> a time-stretcher changes duration without changing pitch, a pitch-shifter changes pitch without changing duration
20160303 23:12:38< zookeeper> i'm sure there's lots of other fancy words for each, but i don't think resampler is one of them
20160303 23:12:40< celticminstrel> A resampler does change the data in some way - simply taking the data and playing it faster does not, as far as I know, constitute a resampler.
20160303 23:13:40< celticminstrel> That is, if you take audio sampled at eg 44.1 kHz and tell the computer that it's actually 22.05 kHz, it will play half as fast, but you haven't changed the actual audio data.
20160303 23:13:49< celticminstrel> It will also shift the pitch... downwards, I think.
20160303 23:14:33< celticminstrel> But that's not resampling.
20160303 23:14:39< celticminstrel> Resampling changes the data.
20160303 23:14:53< zookeeper> of course
20160303 23:15:04< celticminstrel> Scaling an image is resampling.
20160303 23:15:34< zookeeper> and resampling a sound is just like scaling an image
20160303 23:15:52< celticminstrel> Well, it's one-dimensional, I think, but basically yeah.
20160303 23:22:20< zookeeper> yes, sound usually is :P
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