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celticminstrel has on this topic? 20160322 19:17:04< zookeeper> yes 20160322 19:17:18< DeFender1031> so what's the deal? 20160322 19:18:10< zookeeper> there are the so far undocumented [on_undo] and [on_redo] ActionWML tags in 1.13.4, which define actions to be executed on undo/redo 20160322 19:18:56< zookeeper> there's a current example to be found in https://github.com/ln-zookeeper/wesnoth/blob/quenoth/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/utils/abilities.cfg#L407 20160322 19:19:24< zookeeper> (scroll down to the moveto events) 20160322 19:21:49< zookeeper> however, i found that they're surprisingly tricky to work with. one thing to note is that the variable substitution for them happens when the parent event runs, _not_ at the undo/redo time 20160322 19:22:16< DeFender1031> :/ 20160322 19:22:35< celticminstrel> So they need delayed_variable_substitution=yes or something. 20160322 19:22:48< DeFender1031> should i suggest action_wml in [allow_undo]? would that be a less tricky thing to work with? 20160322 19:23:19< celticminstrel> Personally, I think it would make more sense if [on_undo] and [on_redo] went inside [allow_undo]. 20160322 19:23:41< zookeeper> you can always ask gfgtdf why he implemented it that way 20160322 19:25:53< zookeeper> DeFender1031, the original FR for the feature asked for precisely that, so i presume there's a reason it was implemented differently 20160322 19:26:26< DeFender1031> how odd 20160322 19:26:27< DeFender1031> okay 20160322 19:26:33< zookeeper> (for one, the FR didn't take redo into account at all) 20160322 19:26:39< DeFender1031> indeed 20160322 19:26:49< DeFender1031> clearly, i didn't think of it either 20160322 19:26:52< DeFender1031> :P 20160322 19:27:35< celticminstrel> I think it would make more sense if [on_undo] and [on_redo] were not ActionWML but instead went inside [allow_undo]. 20160322 19:29:04< zookeeper> anyway, personally i'm just happy that the possibility exists at all, even if it's hard to use. but i think that's actually kind of inevitable in complicated cases such as my example. 20160322 19:29:29< zookeeper> it should be pretty easy to write it for an event which, say, just modifies the primary unit in some way. 20160322 19:29:29-!- Void7 [~Void7@205.157.147.198] has joined #wesnoth 20160322 19:29:46< zookeeper> or makes something else straightforward happen 20160322 19:30:02< celticminstrel> It should be easy to add delayed_variable_substitution to it. 20160322 19:30:03-!- Void7 [~Void7@205.157.147.198] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20160322 19:30:21< zookeeper> be my guest 20160322 19:33:25 * celticminstrel wonders whether it would make more sense for it to default to true or false. 20160322 19:35:22-!- Haudegen [~quassel@85.124.51.57] has joined #wesnoth 20160322 19:38:01-!- Nobun [~nobun@host186-52-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #wesnoth 20160322 19:43:23-!- ToBeCloud [uid51591@wikimedia/ToBeFree] has joined #wesnoth 20160322 19:55:21-!- 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Will check logs for my nick and forum PMs.] 20160322 21:31:19-!- mattsc_ is now known as mattsc 20160322 21:32:25-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has quit [Client Quit] 20160322 21:37:37-!- Nobun [~nobun@host186-52-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Salve a tutti] 20160322 21:38:37-!- mattsc [~mattsc@wesnoth/developer/mattsc] has joined #wesnoth 20160322 21:39:35-!- prkc [~prkc@catv-80-98-103-239.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #wesnoth 20160322 21:50:09-!- wario_ [~wario_@unaffiliated/wario] has joined #wesnoth 20160322 21:52:03-!- wario [~wario_@unaffiliated/wario] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20160322 21:54:41-!- Kwandulin [~Miranda@p200300760F191C499917D37727E80751.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20160322 22:00:12-!- claymore2 [~hexchat@host86-165-180-50.range86-165.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20160322 22:00:16-!- scythetwirler [~chatzilla@50.46.252.35] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 45.0.1/20160315153207]] 20160322 22:05:03-!- ancestral [~ancestral@75-168-27-21.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth 20160322 22:26:37-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.178.240.41] has joined #wesnoth 20160322 22:36:50< zookeeper> DeFender1031, getting a hang of it yet? :p 20160322 22:37:32< zookeeper> s/a/the i guess is the common wording 20160322 23:23:42-!- DreadKnight [~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight] has joined #wesnoth 20160322 23:31:05-!- ancestral [~ancestral@75-168-27-21.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: i go nstuf kthxbai] 20160322 23:56:15-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] --- Log closed Wed Mar 23 00:00:13 2016