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20160420 00:20:21< aquileia> gfgtdf, shadowm: Well, I'm at my wits end with getting g++-5 from the PPA working with scons... https://travis-ci.org/aquileia/wesnoth/jobs/124338327#L868
20160420 00:22:18< aquileia> For reference, I'm using https://github.com/aquileia/wesnoth/blob/travis_1y/.travis.yml#L51 for the alias
20160420 00:24:40< aquileia> So while I can commit a few minor improvements to the travis script, it seems we won't have a C++14 build on travis before Xenial
20160420 00:24:41< shadowm> aquileia: cat build/config.log
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20160420 00:27:19< travis-ci> aquileia/wesnoth#40 (travis_1y - 025b47a : aquileia): The build was canceled.
20160420 00:27:19< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/aquileia/wesnoth/builds/124342782
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20160420 00:27:42< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/aquileia/wesnoth/builds/124348805
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20160420 00:38:13< aquileia> shadowm: g++-5 -o build/sconf_temp/conftest_7.o -c -pipe build/sconf_temp/conftest_7.cpp        sh: 1: g++-5: not found      (https://travis-ci.org/aquileia/wesnoth/jobs/124349421#L1041)
20160420 00:38:42< shadowm> There's your problem.
20160420 00:39:09 * shadowm can't read the full log now, will check later.
20160420 00:39:30< aquileia> Thanks for the tip - no idea how to fix it, though...
20160420 00:41:57< aquileia> loonycyborg: BTW, shouldn't scons check for g++ 4.7 on master (currently, it checks for 3.3) ?
20160420 00:43:19< loonycyborg> probably nobody got around to updating it yet. It should be lowest version of gcc that can compile it without errors
20160420 00:44:27< loonycyborg> compile wesnoth that is
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20160420 00:45:39< loonycyborg> maybe even remove that check and use boost.config instead :P
20160420 00:49:34< aquileia> Well, unless you just volunteered for that, I'll only replace the version number
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20160420 00:51:05< loonycyborg> ok do that
20160420 00:51:31< shadowm> aquileia: What's the name of the binary that the PPA's pacckage installs?
20160420 00:52:44< aquileia> I no longer have Ubuntu installed, so I can't check, but it's at least aliased to gcc-5
20160420 00:53:03< shadowm> Not the Ubuntu stock packages, the PPA's.
20160420 00:53:20< shadowm> We already established that the PPA's maintainers don't follow the distribution's practices for packaging GCC.
20160420 00:54:17< shadowm> I guess I can check that myself on the web...
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20160420 00:54:45< travis-ci> aquileia/wesnoth#42 (travis_1y - 084f4ea : aquileia): The build is still failing.
20160420 00:54:45< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/aquileia/wesnoth/builds/124349419
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20160420 00:58:30< shadowm> aquileia: Okay, so how did you arrive to the conclusion that the package to install was gcc-5 and not g++-5?
20160420 00:58:58< aquileia> The ppa doesn't provide g++-5 ?
20160420 00:59:05< shadowm> I suspect I should start apologizing to the PPA's maintainers for badmouthing them.
20160420 00:59:11< shadowm> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+archive/ubuntu/test/+sourcepub/5750675/+listing-archive-extra
20160420 00:59:25< shadowm> See the section "Built packages".
20160420 01:04:04< shadowm> Let me elaborate a bit further: each Debian binary package is built from a source package. One source package can produce many binary packages to account for: 1) different architectures (the most obvious case); 2) different optional components built from the same source (GCC as published by upstream provides front-ends for C, C++, FORTRAN, Ada, Java, and more); 3) different build configurations (for example there's a popular IRC ...
20160420 01:04:10< shadowm> ... client implemented using the client/server model that comes in monolithic and modular build flavors).
20160420 01:06:25< celticminstrel> gfgtdf: Which characters are these?
20160420 01:06:28< shadowm> 4) shared libraries
20160420 01:06:33< aquileia> loonycyborg: Now I remember why it's 3.3 - clang version numbers are lower.
20160420 01:07:01< shadowm> So if that page is right, all of this could've been avoided if it had occurred to me to check launchpad first.
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20160420 01:07:09< travis-ci> aquileia/wesnoth#43 (travis_1y - 423d231 : aquileia): The build was canceled.
20160420 01:07:09< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/aquileia/wesnoth/builds/124352425
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20160420 01:08:16< aquileia> shadowm: http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-toolchain-r/test/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gcc-5/ indeed has a g++5 package...
20160420 01:11:14< aquileia> shadowm, gfgtdf: https://travis-ci.org/aquileia/wesnoth/jobs/124353892
20160420 01:11:22< aquileia> shadowm: Thanks!
20160420 01:11:41< loonycyborg> nope that check was exactly for gcc and not clang
20160420 01:12:46< aquileia> loonycyborg: clang places it's own version number in these macros, thus the check has to take its numbering into account
20160420 01:13:32< aquileia> shadowm: Should I mark the C++14 build as allowed to fail and push to master?
20160420 01:13:54< loonycyborg> I mean when that check was originally added clang wasn't a viable compiler option
20160420 01:14:19< loonycyborg> so it couldn't be taken into account
20160420 01:14:50< shadowm> aquileia: Uh, I don't know. That's not my call anymore.
20160420 01:15:51< shadowm> It did seem gfgtdf has rather strong opinions about the matter and considers it to be a necessity for C++14 builds to be clean.
20160420 01:16:32< shadowm> (From https://gna.org/bugs/?24568 at least.)
20160420 01:17:01< aquileia> Well, currently the build fails, and gfgtdf can't easily check that without travis because we're on MSVC
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20160420 09:39:06< irker750> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:master a58dee4daf91 / .travis.yml: travis: Reorder before_install instructions https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/a58dee4daf91d82bdcf9b8f3297943b657bf2f57
20160420 09:39:06< irker750> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:master 23abf97f362c / .travis.yml: travis: Add C++14 build with g++-5 https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/23abf97f362cee0774700d8b3e256e2c6ff7bcc2
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20160420 09:55:36< aquileia> gfgtdf: Even though travis will report a successful build, the C++14 sub-build will fail (but is listed as an allowed fail) unless you fix these: https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/jobs/124423631#L926
20160420 09:56:40< Aginor> I think it'd be worthwhile to fix
20160420 09:57:55 * Aginor sighs
20160420 09:57:59< Aginor> so many conflicts
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20160420 10:04:41< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#9308 (master - 23abf97 : aquileia): The build was broken.
20160420 10:04:41< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/124423629
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20160420 10:17:15< aquileia> Oh... the g++4.7 C++11 sub-build on my feature branch showed the same error, but I re-ran it and it passed, so I had dismissed it... but actually the build 'passed' because the worker powered off
20160420 10:18:48< aquileia> But why would the Xvfb configuration only be problematic for the g++ binary?
20160420 10:19:59< aquileia> Ah, no that's only a warning and separate from the segfault
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20160420 10:27:05<@zookeeper> you could have just asked :p
20160420 10:27:37< Aginor> yeah, I should have
20160420 10:27:43< Aginor> sorry
20160420 10:28:04< Aginor> I wasn't feeling comfortable rebasing, there were just so many conficts
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20160420 10:31:01< Aginor> it's probably going to be a while longer
20160420 10:31:28< Aginor> it's been a long time since I touched the code, I was waiting for the c++11 and then loadscreen changes to settle down
20160420 10:40:14<@zookeeper> Jetrel_bot, still in rather early stages of editing, but ought to be able to be made serviceable: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63964618/wesnoth/giant-spider.jpg
20160420 10:43:34< aquileia> zookeeper, @zookeeper: Arachnophobes are going to love you...
20160420 10:45:10<@zookeeper> _i_ don't like spiders :P
20160420 10:46:02< aquileia> That's going to be one giant jump-scare... a nearly photo-realistic spider of about 10cm on our screen...
20160420 10:47:27<@zookeeper> that'd be a first, i'd imagine
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20160420 10:49:15< aquileia> Cue the horror music ;)
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20160420 13:43:29< fabi_> hi
20160420 13:48:22< Kwandulin> hi
20160420 14:46:01< vultraz> zookeeper: HOLY @(!*(_)#(()*()$&&*^*(@#U
20160420 14:46:05< vultraz> SPIDER
20160420 14:46:07< vultraz> O_O
20160420 14:46:33< vultraz> too realistic
20160420 14:55:20< zookeeper> it might bite ^___^
20160420 14:55:29< zookeeper> but yeah i hope i can get it to look painterly enough
20160420 14:56:16< vultraz> Or we could just wait until LB gets to doing the spider :P
20160420 14:56:56< zookeeper> waiting an indeterminate time is unpleasant
20160420 14:57:55< vultraz> Less unpleasant that that spider p_p
20160420 15:01:04< vultraz> No matter how painterly you make that
20160420 15:01:10< vultraz> It is genuinely terrifying
20160420 15:05:15< zookeeper> i saw much more unpleasant ones when searching for a suitable source
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20160420 15:09:27< zookeeper> (which, in this case, happens to be this: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Spider_on_the_yellow_pond-lily_leaf.JPG )
20160420 15:09:42< zookeeper> it's a big image, you can zoom in a lot and look closer!
20160420 15:09:52< zookeeper> and when you do
20160420 15:09:58< zookeeper> you'll notice that it's looking back at you
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20160420 18:08:00< irker756> wesnoth: ln-zookeeper wesnoth:master 799695a04b1f / data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/scenarios/04_The_Siege_of_Barag_Gor.cfg: Allow side 3 to release Jetto https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/799695a04b1f5e88467d9475f9f4511c9a03aa85
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20160420 18:37:08< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#9310 (master - 799695a : ln-zookeeper): The build was fixed.
20160420 18:37:08< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/124547091
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20160420 19:05:35< Aginor> hmm
20160420 19:05:56< Aginor> tnat spider isn't looking unpleasant enough
20160420 19:08:19< Aginor> I can dig up some of the variants of this one: https://www.flickr.com/photos/aginor/7004339555/
20160420 19:08:34< Aginor> https://www.flickr.com/photos/aginor/7004340535/in/photostream/
20160420 19:08:43< Aginor> gmm
20160420 19:08:51< Aginor> flicker makes stupid links
20160420 19:09:21< Aginor> or not, I just fail at reading
20160420 19:09:30 * Aginor goes to make morning coffee
20160420 19:13:33< zookeeper> if you happen to have one with no major depth of field differences then sure, but i think those two have way too much for me to be able to compensate for
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20160420 19:15:52< Dugi> Hello.
20160420 19:15:59< Aginor> yeah, I think so
20160420 19:16:07< Aginor> let me dive into my photos
20160420 19:16:11< Aginor> this may take a while
20160420 19:16:14< Aginor> hi Dugi 
20160420 19:26:54< shadowm> 12:01:10 <vultraz> It is genuinely terrifying
20160420 19:27:16< shadowm> ... Am I the only one who finds it cute instead.
20160420 19:27:21< vultraz> ... yes
20160420 19:28:18< vultraz> then again, I'm arachnophobic.
20160420 19:28:24< vultraz> But only of large ones
20160420 19:28:41< vultraz> And that one is decidedly large
20160420 19:28:51< shadowm> Thanks for the tip, I'll make sure to use it against you in the future.
20160420 19:30:54< zookeeper> anyone around who knows russian? i'm wondering what's going on in the 1.12 MP lobby...
20160420 19:31:15< vultraz> are they saying "cyka blyat"?
20160420 19:31:16< zookeeper> oh, wait, auto-translation is a thing in this day and age
20160420 19:31:27< zookeeper> nope
20160420 19:31:40< vultraz> then no idea
20160420 19:32:08< Aginor> opening ~500 raws at the same time is a bad idea
20160420 19:32:22< vultraz> ABORT
20160420 19:32:41< shadowm> zookeeper: Here's an idea: get a Russian-speaking mod.
20160420 19:32:48< Aginor> more like "killall shotwell" after some 10 minutes of thrashing
20160420 19:33:08< Aginor> shotwell is the worst photo app ever :/
20160420 19:34:18< zookeeper> shadowm, yeah that'd be good
20160420 19:35:22< Dugi> zookeeper: I can speak Russian, although it's not perfect.
20160420 19:36:14< zookeeper> Dugi, right. so do you think these guys (at the bottom) are being a problem or not? :P https://www.wesnoth.org/irclogs/2016/04/%23wesnoth-mp-lobby-stable.2016-04-20.log
20160420 19:37:18< zookeeper> from what i can tell, apparently not
20160420 19:37:55< Dugi> Seems they are just chatting, nothing bad.
20160420 19:39:00< zookeeper> great
20160420 19:40:20< Dugi> They wanted to set up a game, but ended up chatting about other stuff like chess or cards and can't get to actually deciding what they will do. They seem to be nice, harmless players.
20160420 19:41:58< zookeeper> i get awfully suspicious when someone called "noobkick" speaks a lot in a language i don't know, including about other users :p
20160420 19:42:57 * Aginor uploads pictures
20160420 19:46:15< Dugi> That NoobKick was talking about game settings for the game they wanted to start and about some players he does not want to invite because they play badly. No trolling or any offensive behaviour, maybe a little bit of elitism, but that's all.
20160420 19:47:27< Dugi> He's now in a game named 'good players', so they started the game and ended their smalltalk.
20160420 19:51:10< Aginor> http://www.alternating.net/zookeper/IMG_6597.JPG
20160420 19:51:24< Aginor> http://www.alternating.net/zookeper/IMG_6608.JPG
20160420 19:51:28< Aginor> http://www.alternating.net/zookeper/IMG_6618.JPG
20160420 19:51:33< Aginor> http://www.alternating.net/zookeper/IMG_6644.JPG
20160420 19:52:09< Aginor> because predatory spiders are more fun
20160420 19:52:16< Aginor> vultraz: don't follow those links
20160420 19:52:36< vultraz> let me guess
20160420 19:52:39< vultraz> giant spiders eating things
20160420 19:52:52< Aginor> this there is the huntsman spider, in 6618 it is larger than your palm because the legs are stretched out
20160420 19:53:13< Aginor> vultraz: giant spider posing for the camera
20160420 19:53:22< Aginor> after being fished out of a pool
20160420 19:54:05 * vultraz cringes at the description
20160420 19:54:23 * shadowm rolls eyes.
20160420 19:55:33 * Dugi smiles, looking at the cute animals
20160420 19:55:42 * vultraz shoves red food coloring at shadowm
20160420 19:55:51< shadowm> See, I'm not the only one.
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20160420 19:57:00< shadowm> vultraz: I only rolled my eyes. I didn't put a spider on your bed or anything.
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20160420 19:57:39< vultraz> I didn't make you eat the food coloring
20160420 19:58:18< zookeeper> Aginor, hrhm, thanks. the top-down one is otherwise great, but the angle is kind of unusable in a portrait
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20160420 20:01:05< Aginor> vultraz: I gave you warning
20160420 20:01:37< Aginor> zookeeper: I'd probably use something like 6608 for a portrait
20160420 20:01:46< vultraz> I didn't look at it
20160420 20:01:49 * Aginor shrugs
20160420 20:01:54< vultraz> I said the description
20160420 20:02:02< Aginor> it's more about body shape than anything
20160420 20:02:30< Aginor> I think cave-dwelling man-eating spiders should look like a predatory spider
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20160420 20:05:17< zookeeper> Aginor, yeah, the angle is great but as said i can't really de-blur it
20160420 20:05:59< Aginor> I thought you were going to draw on it 
20160420 20:06:51< zookeeper> i can't draw :p i'm just editing and applying effects and all that stuff
20160420 20:07:09< Aginor> right :D
20160420 20:12:07< Aginor> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huntsman_spider#/media/File:Sparassidae_Palystes_castaneus_mature_female_9923s.jpg
20160420 20:31:26< Dugi_> Guys, have you looked at the code of the feeding ability? https://github.com/blackberry/Wesnoth/blob/master/data/core/macros/abilities.cfg It looks really inefficient, with the current implementation, if you drag a Necrophage through a long campaign, it may come to have hundreds of [object] tags in its code, bloating save file and slowing the game (because objects seem to be searched to check for image_mod with every rendering f
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20160420 20:33:08< vultraz> talk to celticminstrel 
20160420 20:33:28< shadowm> Here's a 1000x superior link: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/data/core/macros/abilities.cfg#L329
20160420 20:34:03< zookeeper> Dugi_, yeah it could certainly be optimized to only keep one object in the unit
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20160420 20:35:08< celticminstrel> I'm curious, why were people looking at pictures of spiders?
20160420 20:35:15< Dugi_> shadowm: Thanks. I thought that writing #329 would do just that, but it didn't work and I did not remember that I had to write there an L.
20160420 20:35:36< shadowm> Dugi_: You did not notice that you are not looking at the official and current repository either?
20160420 20:35:38< celticminstrel> Dugi_: Your message was cut off at "with every rendering f".
20160420 20:35:59< celticminstrel> I think it would be rather nontrivial to optimize feeding.
20160420 20:36:01< Dugi_> The only missing word was 'frame'.
20160420 20:36:06< shadowm> Also, generating line-anchored links is done by clicking on the line numbers.
20160420 20:36:20< shadowm> Not by guessing at the anchor name.
20160420 20:36:38< celticminstrel> Hmm, objects are searched every frame for image mods? That shouldn't be the case, it should just apply the image mod to the unit when the object is first added.
20160420 20:37:25< Dugi_> celticminstrel: It also looks for animations added. If an animation is added through an object, it is only inside the [effect] tag, not anywhere else.
20160420 20:37:43< celticminstrel> It shouldn't need to do this...
20160420 20:37:54< celticminstrel> Why the heck is it doing something like that...
20160420 20:38:14< zookeeper> Dugi_, i suppose it could 1) add the object only the first time and then 2) on subsequent additions, increment both unit.hitpoints and the object's increase keys by 1.
20160420 20:38:17< celticminstrel> There should be absolutely no reason to refer to objects except during unit buildint or when checking if they have expired.
20160420 20:38:37< celticminstrel> ^building
20160420 20:38:43< vultraz> I think you could utilize no_write = yes for feeing
20160420 20:38:45< vultraz> feeding
20160420 20:38:47< celticminstrel> "during unit building" includes recall and level-up too.
20160420 20:39:08< celticminstrel> vultraz: I dunno, shouldn't it persist on level-up?
20160420 20:40:15< Dugi_> zookeeper: That's what I had in mind. It could give the object a unique identifier, like some feeding=yes property, then look for it. It should prevent damaging other objects.
20160420 20:40:59< celticminstrel> I think arbitrarily searching through the objects should be curtailed as well, though.
20160420 20:41:16< celticminstrel> Modifying the existing object is fine to eliminate save file bloat, I suppose.
20160420 20:41:27< Dugi_> zookeeper: Alternatively, there could be a lua coded tag to squash objects that would merge effect tags with same properties.
20160420 20:41:30< celticminstrel> Provided you have a way to identify it; I was thinking something like "id=feeding".
20160420 20:41:44< Dugi_> celticminstrel: id=something has a meaning with objects.
20160420 20:41:52< celticminstrel> I don't think that Lua idea would work.
20160420 20:42:09< celticminstrel> Oh wait, you mean a new WML tag.
20160420 20:42:47< celticminstrel> That doesn't sound like a great idea, it could mess up other existing objects that someone might have wanted to remove later.
20160420 20:44:00< Dugi_> celticminstrel: Maybe the objects intended to be a part of that could be marked by a squashable=yes property.
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20160420 20:45:15< Dugi_> celticminstrel: However, the problem I am thinking about is that if you apply objects that add 2, 10%, 4 then 20% to hitpoints, the squashing might be really nontrivial.
20160420 20:45:16< celticminstrel> While optimizing save file size isn't bad, I think eliminating the search through the objects every frame is more important.
20160420 20:45:36< zookeeper> i don't really see the point of writing something that ridiculously complicated
20160420 20:45:59< celticminstrel> You probably can't merge the effects, only objects.
20160420 20:46:37< celticminstrel> [Apr 20@4:41:44pm] Dugi_: celticminstrel: id=something has a meaning with objects.
20160420 20:46:38< celticminstrel> Only in ActionWML [object].
20160420 20:46:57< Dugi_> celticminstrel: I have a save file where problems of re-reading it a lot is visible. Basically, you put 200 AMLA options to each unit, put 30 such units on the screen and see the CPU sweat.
20160420 20:47:06< celticminstrel> It has no meaning in [object] under [modifications].
20160420 20:47:21< zookeeper> you still need an ActionWML object to get it there in the first place
20160420 20:47:27< celticminstrel> Yes.
20160420 20:47:39< celticminstrel> Actually no.
20160420 20:47:46< celticminstrel> You could use [modify_unit], I think.
20160420 20:47:58< celticminstrel> Then you could simply include id=whatever in the [object] and it would be ignored.
20160420 20:48:12< celticminstrel> Dugi_: What I'm saying is that I think there are two problems here, and the runtime one should be dealt with first.
20160420 20:49:06< Dugi_> celticminstrel: Really? I have reported it several times across the last few years.
20160420 20:49:23< celticminstrel> I'm not sure what you're asking...
20160420 20:49:52< Dugi_> celticminstrel: Just telling that I am surprised that you're telling that it's serious while everyone was ignoring my reports of it for YEARS.
20160420 20:50:03< Dugi_> celticminstrel: I totally agree that it's serious.
20160420 20:51:05< Dugi_> I admit that my report might be a bit inaccurate, but units with long code do cause FPS drops even if nothing is happening.
20160420 20:51:12< celticminstrel> It's not like I was the one ignoring you...
20160420 20:54:30< zookeeper> Dugi_, are you going to attempt the WML fix or should i?
20160420 20:55:00< Dugi_> zookeeper: I can do that, no problem.
20160420 20:55:20< celticminstrel> That's still about the feeding ability, right?
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20160420 20:55:23< zookeeper> okay, great
20160420 20:55:40< zookeeper> celticminstrel, yes
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20160420 20:55:47< Dugi> Yes, about feeding.
20160420 20:56:08< mattsc> zookeeper: do you specifically want the spider to look realistic?
20160420 20:56:24< Dugi> Can I just send a diff so that you could commit it or do I have to go through the lengthy process of forking and pullrequesting?
20160420 20:56:43< zookeeper> mattsc, well this is wesnoth, so no
20160420 20:56:59< celticminstrel> Oh yeah, no-one answered about why people were looking at spiders.
20160420 20:57:29< celticminstrel> Dugi: You already forked, so it's not quite as lengthy the second time, right?
20160420 20:57:47< zookeeper> Dugi, yeah i'm fine with a diff. especially when i want to test it
20160420 20:57:58< mattsc> zookeeper: I am asking because … I don’t find real spiders scary (I’ve nudged a tarantula onto my hand in South America once to carry it outside; I probably even have a picture of that somewhere on my computer)
20160420 20:58:11< mattsc> So, a comic-book style spider image would work much better for me.
20160420 20:58:15< zookeeper> blearafghsdfg D:
20160420 20:58:29< celticminstrel> What's all the spider stuff for?
20160420 20:58:39< mattsc> It’s was just a baby though  ;)
20160420 20:58:45< zookeeper> i wouldn't say i'm arachnophobic as such, but tarantulas on hand, ewgh
20160420 20:59:42< zookeeper> celticminstrel, for a portrait, it's in the log
20160420 21:00:17< Kwandulin> here in germany, we have cute spiders: http://www.natur-server.de/Bilder/MZ/001/mz000293-kuerbisspinne.jpg
20160420 21:00:25 * celticminstrel doesn't always check logs unless specifically told to.
20160420 21:02:12< mattsc> it’s also an extremely bad photo (out of focus, among other things): http://imgur.com/aD7oQDe
20160420 21:03:57< mattsc> And a very small tarantula.  The one I found in my bedroom on the same trip was much bigger.  ;)
20160420 21:04:31< Dugi> Guys, keep on mind that the animals responsible for most human deaths are mosquitoes. Their malaria spread kills more humans than humans do.
20160420 21:05:01< mattsc> zookeeper: more seriously though, I personally would go with a stylized spider with big open jaws, rather than a realistically looking one
20160420 21:05:33< mattsc> of course, it might be much harder to get a good portrait of one of those ...
20160420 21:06:40< zookeeper> mattsc, sure, that'd be preferable, but it's not like i'm going to find one like that
20160420 21:07:06< Dugi> Some nice photos of pretty large spiders can be found here: http://www.livescience.com/48339-goliath-birdeater-spider-photos.html
20160420 21:07:28< mattsc> zookeeper: right; I understand the practical problems.  As usual, feel free to ignore everything I am saying.
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20160420 21:08:19< zookeeper> maybe LB could whip one up relatively quickly, i dunno
20160420 21:08:27< zookeeper> it'd certainly allow for a proper angle and all that
20160420 21:10:54< Dugi> If you want a good angle, you might take a 3D model from blendswap (http://goo.gl/a4gze6) and render something.
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20160420 22:02:16< vultraz> you'd have to ask lordbob
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20160420 22:33:55< gfgtdf> aquileia: th
20160420 22:33:56< gfgtdf> x
20160420 22:34:26< gfgtdf> aquileia: i looked at the travis bugreport and i unfortanateley currently cannot see why it fails
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20160420 22:35:59< gfgtdf> aquileia: it claims that make_reverse_iterator is ambiguous but i dont see why since the std::make_reverse_iterator should only be in std namesapce
20160420 22:36:28< gfgtdf> aquileia: mayke it finds it with arguemnt dependent lookup or something?
20160420 22:36:44< gfgtdf> aquileia: but i don't think its arguemnts come form std eigher
20160420 22:37:46< gfgtdf> aquileia: also my msvc build which also has its std::make_reverse_iterator  doesn't have this problem 
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