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20160430 06:16:19< celticminstrel> Apparently it's impossible (or almost impossible?) to obtain prebuild pango binaries for MSVC.
20160430 06:16:25< celticminstrel> ^prebuilt
20160430 06:16:52< celticminstrel> It looks like the VC12 update is working, but I might not be able to confirm the link stage works if I can't find those...
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20160430 06:34:12< celticminstrel> Maybe not?
20160430 06:34:31< celticminstrel> I've just completed MSVC's automated update process to convert the project file to VC12.
20160430 06:35:22< celticminstrel> But it looks like I would need to build certain dependencies myself in order to definitively verify that the project file works perfectly.
20160430 06:35:35< celticminstrel> (There were also some warnings in the update log, which is a little worrying.)
20160430 06:37:08< celticminstrel> It does look like it'll work, at least; barring missing glibconfig.h or something and some updates for new/moved files, it seems like the build is working.
20160430 07:02:03< celticminstrel> ...I guess... I'll just go ahead and push this...?
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20160430 07:03:22< irker245> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master 6c9cd2998e7f / / (28 files in 3 dirs): Update MSVC project files to VC12 (2013) https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/6c9cd2998e7fe5a11ab4fd461b0548d1767f29c6
20160430 07:07:01< celticminstrel> Regarding https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=44120
20160430 07:07:13< celticminstrel> Looking at it again, I notice he seems to be using CMake.
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20160430 07:08:26< celticminstrel> I'm not sure if I can help out much with that, though I can try; however, it'd be good if someone more familiar with CMake also commented in that thread... if he gives more information, at least.
20160430 07:09:37< irker245> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:master 222eec7520bd / / (30 files in 29 dirs): updated Japanese translation https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/222eec7520bd9c863166b16b9208ccc06f8d7f11
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20160430 07:33:58< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#9340 (master - 6c9cd29 : Celtic Minstrel): The build has errored.
20160430 07:33:58< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/126839411
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20160430 07:57:23< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#9341 (master - 222eec7 : Nils Kneuper): The build passed.
20160430 07:57:23< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/126840008
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20160430 07:59:40< wedge009> celticminstrel: Always plenty of warnings in MSVC build but I think the project uses some strict warning settings. Which dependencies are you referring to? I'll give your VC12 project a try in a bit.
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20160430 10:19:41< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: you can use pango librairesbuild with gcc withmsvc too afaik.
20160430 10:19:54< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: alterntiveleyyou canalsobuild pngoyourself
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20160430 10:30:56< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: with msvcimeant
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20160430 11:00:15< Nobun> gfgtdf: as long as it is a C library, you can also use prebuilded library even if compiled with a different compiler
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20160430 11:00:48< Nobun> so you can link a C library builded with msvc on mingw compilation
20160430 11:01:12< Nobun> (this is indeed not valid if the library was developed into c++)
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20160430 12:43:01< irker782> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 0ee7451a0001 / .gitignore: ignore all other msvc projectfiles than for vc12 https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/0ee7451a0001ecec8c55cb96fcf310e328e43d2f
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20160430 13:13:12< irker782> wesnoth: Wedge009 wesnoth:master 3c960aed0613 / projectfiles/VC12/ (liblua.vcxproj liblua.vcxproj.filters wesnoth.vcxproj wesnoth.vcxproj.filters): Corrections to MSVC project files. https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/3c960aed0613d0e7852498ad7eb768f81abe67cd
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20160430 16:15:03< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: You have any objections if I replace perl wmlxgettext with Nobun's py3 reimplementation? I analyzed the diffs and remaining changes resulting from switching to it are caused by perl wmlxgettext bugs or misfeatures
20160430 16:16:39< loonycyborg> or just different sorting order :P
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20160430 16:39:52< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: how are the runtimes?
20160430 16:40:14< loonycyborg> about the same order of magnitude
20160430 16:40:29< loonycyborg> it doesn't make it painfully slow, I didn't feel a difference
20160430 16:41:03< Ivanovic> (because the python version in the past from esr was painfully slow)
20160430 16:41:20< loonycyborg> I vaguely remember that..
20160430 16:41:31< loonycyborg> but this version is fast enough
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20160430 16:43:28< Ivanovic> will it work as drop in replacement?
20160430 16:43:33< loonycyborg> yup
20160430 16:43:41< loonycyborg> it has same command line syntax
20160430 16:47:20< zookeeper> i haven't really followed, so why was it reimplemented in the first place?
20160430 16:48:47< loonycyborg> due to being kinda buggy :P
20160430 16:49:51< zookeeper> right, okay
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20160430 17:13:03< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: I think I remember esr's implementation. This new one is nothing like that. I'd need to use 'time' command to determine which wmlxgettext is faster: perl one or new python one
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20160430 17:14:23< loonycyborg> but in any case other tasks dominate time pot-update takes :P
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20160430 17:26:24< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: anyway I have commits replacing wmlxgettext1 with wmlxgettext2 and pot-update using it in my local repo for now
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20160430 17:38:32< celticminstrel> Thanks, wedge009 
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20160430 18:46:26< zookeeper> hrhm. "the sheer numbers WITH which these fighters can be fielded" or "the sheer numbers IN which these fighters can be fielded"?
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20160430 18:50:13< celticminstrel> zookeeper: What's the context?
20160430 18:51:04< zookeeper> "What makes an orcish horde most threatening, however, is the sheer numbers with which these fighters can be fielded." but that doesn't really change anything
20160430 18:52:07< celticminstrel> Hmm.
20160430 18:52:54< celticminstrel> If you extract the relative clause into a separate sentence, it would be something like "These fighters can be fielded in great numbers".
20160430 18:53:00< celticminstrel> So, "in which" is better, I think.
20160430 18:55:29< pydsigner> Yes
20160430 18:57:23< zookeeper> good
20160430 19:00:57< zookeeper> how about "is the sheer numbers" or "are the sheer numbers"? i'd lean towards the latter, but i'm guessing both can be correct
20160430 19:02:10< celticminstrel> I'm not quite sure, but I'm leaning towards the former.
20160430 19:03:46< celticminstrel> If you replace the first relative clause with a noun and remove the second one, you get something like "The true thread is the their sheer numbers".
20160430 19:04:00< celticminstrel> ^-the
20160430 19:04:03< zookeeper> right, true
20160430 19:04:48< zookeeper> but then again is that relevant?
20160430 19:06:02< celticminstrel> Well, "is" should agree in number with the subject of the sentence, but when the subject is a relative clause, I'm not quite sure what the rules are...
20160430 19:08:50< zookeeper> yeah i guess i'll go with "is"
20160430 19:11:49< celticminstrel> Randomly, does the scons build support OSX?
20160430 19:13:18< loonycyborg> afaik yes
20160430 19:13:30< celticminstrel> It sounds like the CMake doesn't.
20160430 19:13:54< celticminstrel> https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=44120
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20160430 21:26:19< gfgtdf> loonycyborg: why doing the leint side boost::asio swicth do you think you can reuse any code that you made for ther serverside patch ?
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20160430 21:27:29< loonycyborg> gfgtdf: What you mean? The only code that was reused before was network(worker) files
20160430 21:28:00< loonycyborg> and the only thing it did was emulating what asio does natively
20160430 21:28:04< celticminstrel> I think he's trying to ask if any of the serverside code can also be used clientside.
20160430 21:28:32< gfgtdf> loonycyborg: so there is no shared code anymore execpt boost:asio itelf ?
20160430 21:28:39< gfgtdf> will be*
20160430 21:28:48< gfgtdf> itself*
20160430 21:29:11< loonycyborg> maybe there will, but I'm not sure what exact code will be
20160430 21:30:40< loonycyborg> there's already some asio code in clientside
20160430 21:30:45< loonycyborg> addon client
20160430 21:30:55< loonycyborg> that was first part of asio switch I made
20160430 21:31:29< loonycyborg> currently there's no code shared between it and wesnothd.
20160430 21:41:01< gfgtdf> loonycyborg: ok
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