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20160506 07:20:21< zookeeper> so i went and (finally) removed the pointless "If you know a bit of the Wesnoth Markup Language - do you think that the WML of this scenario [...]" questions from all mainline campaign feedback threads.
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20160506 07:23:43< zookeeper> well... almost all.
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20160506 07:30:38< Sapient> greetings
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20160506 07:38:16< zookeeper> uh... hi there
20160506 07:38:24< zookeeper> long time, and all that
20160506 07:38:42< Sapient> yeah, I'm married and living in the Philippines now. How are you?
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20160506 07:39:35< Sapient> also at the risk of sounding like a total noob, I'm currently trying to use Git for the first time
20160506 07:40:25< Sapient> I'm also using Ubuntu now on my laptop... finally got rid of my bad Windows habit ;)
20160506 07:43:28< Sapient> reading this now: https://wiki.wesnoth.org/Git_for_Wesnoth_Crash_Course
20160506 07:45:16< zookeeper> oddly enough, i don't feel like ranting about how bad git is right now.
20160506 07:46:01< Sapient> ok, well if there's anything I should know before getting started, or the wiki is outdated, please let me know thanks
20160506 07:49:13< zookeeper> well, if you're going to use command-line git with ubuntu then i don't even want to imagine how awkward that must be
20160506 07:49:23< zookeeper> i bet a lot of people do though
20160506 07:51:13 * zookeeper is still (mostly) happily on windows using tortoise
20160506 07:51:53< zookeeper> it's quite nice aside from the usual annoyances of the git workflow compared to svn
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20160506 08:44:46< Sapient> hmm... can someone restore my wesnoth/developer/Sapient cloak please?
20160506 08:45:34< Sapient> my freenode nick was deactivated and I just re-registered it
20160506 08:58:30< loonycyborg> afaik Ivanovic is responsible for this
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20160506 09:01:10< Ivanovic> Sapient: done
20160506 09:03:31< Ivanovic> Sapient: lucky you that it is weekend for me already thanks to a holiday yesterday and a day vacation today...
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20160506 09:28:09< irker096> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:1.12 8036bf5505b4 / po/ (10 files in 10 dirs): updated Russian translation https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/8036bf5505b440b59ae021d08bcf703ceb74c9c9
20160506 09:28:09< irker096> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:master 005d52718a15 / / (12 files in 11 dirs): updated Russian translation https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/005d52718a158cc29687eac33f33b47ac0cd200b
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20160506 10:18:23< Sapient> Ivanovic: thanks
20160506 10:19:11< Sapient> I'll be back
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20160506 11:41:31< irker096> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:1.12 736bba854a8c / src/playsingle_controller.cpp: fix possible assertion failure in mp when a player is leaving. https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/736bba854a8c82890f91bf39fba88666ca04964a
20160506 11:44:03< irker096> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:1.12 5b55d73192f0 / changelog: Update changelog https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/5b55d73192f00c95dd5095b0c02d232ed0e2ea7e
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20160506 12:20:25< irker096> wesnoth: loonycyborg wesnoth:asio_wesnothd c11728e66f8f / src/server/ (6 files): Change casing in class names to be more in line with c++ std, boost and https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/c11728e66f8fd5ca775777e9c9992757961766a4
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20160506 16:02:54< gfgtdf> zookeeper: you know whether it is intentional that leadership onyl effects your own units and not your allies?
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20160506 16:04:41< irker779> wesnoth: loonycyborg wesnoth:asio_wesnothd ee71c19d11d3 / src/server/server.hpp: Remove some more obsolete commented code https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/ee71c19d11d3787dd0d8de41c9fbd477cf3c747e
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20160506 16:11:43< zookeeper> gfgtdf, must be intentional
20160506 16:14:42< zookeeper> i mean, the description is specifically worded that way, and that doesn't happen accidentally without anyone noticing
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20160506 16:22:38< Ravana_> first line of core leadership description implies being friendly is enough, but third counters it
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20160506 16:32:09< zookeeper> "This unit can lead our own units that are next to it, making them fight better." <- how does that imply that?
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20160506 16:32:26< zookeeper> i mean, "our own units" is pretty clear i'd think
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20160506 16:39:10< Ravana_> strange
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20160506 16:39:24< Ravana_> I see the commit was in 2008, yet 1.12 has that old description
20160506 16:40:44< Ravana_> ... or something overrides it
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20160506 16:46:38< Ravana_> "This unit can lead friendly units that are next to it, making them fight"
20160506 16:46:51< Ravana_> manual.en.html and manual.en_GB.html
20160506 16:48:46< Ravana_> grepped that no other file includes that string
20160506 16:51:10< zookeeper> ohh, the manual. hard to remember that such a thing even exists.
20160506 16:51:19< zookeeper> i wonder how many things are out of date there.
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20160506 16:53:12< Ravana_> and yes, 1.13.4 also show this
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20160506 16:54:49< gfgtdf> do you think it'd change mp balance or do other bad things if leadership also efected allied units ?
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20160506 16:56:02< Ravana_> I just noticed that in 1.13.4, selecting unit, clicking on ability name on sidebar, clicking any unit in the appearing list, and using esc, makes the selected unit move somewhere
20160506 16:56:25< Ravana_> (about 60% of times)
20160506 16:56:39< celticminstrel> ...weird...
20160506 16:57:59< Ravana_> I can reliably reproduce it in the beginning of turn, but after there is something in undo stack it doesn't seem to happen anymore
20160506 16:58:39< Ravana_> not that often at least
20160506 16:59:29< zookeeper> gfgtdf, i'm pretty sure it's for own units only precisely for reasons of MP balance
20160506 17:00:25< Ravana_> for leadership I think it is too late to make that change, everyone has already accounted for this and created allied leadership where needed
20160506 17:00:38< zookeeper> i assume it originally affected allies too but was too strong in 2vs2 or something and was thus nerfed
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20160506 17:01:47< zookeeper> Ravana_, i can simply select a unit, open the help by clicking on an ability/trait/whatever, and when i press the close button the unit moves
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20160506 17:02:09< Ravana_> I have just never used the close button
20160506 17:02:51< zookeeper> and yeah, if i close it with esc then it just closes the help and immediately moves to where the mouse pointer is
20160506 17:03:10< Ravana_> will you add the report to bugs tracker?
20160506 17:07:00< zookeeper> not right now at least
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20160506 17:19:26< Ravana_> should I do it?
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20160506 18:12:24< zookeeper> Ravana_, well that would be great
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20160506 18:22:19< Ravana_> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?24645 and https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?24644
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20160506 18:27:28< zookeeper> "In game help uses manual info" uh what?
20160506 18:29:03< Ravana_> leadership description
20160506 18:29:10< zookeeper> no it doesn't
20160506 18:29:18< Ravana_> where it gets that string then?
20160506 18:30:25< zookeeper> i don't know what string you're talking about. if you see the manual string in-game, i'd like to see a screenshot.
20160506 18:30:55< zookeeper> because that's just, you know, impossible.
20160506 18:34:37< Ravana_> https://vgy.me/mpdPw8.png https://vgy.me/blqZ15.png
20160506 18:35:48< zookeeper> uh... how is that even... are you sure you didn't just do that locally? :P
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20160506 18:36:42< zookeeper> or that you don't have an add-on which somehow overrides the original ability definition
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20160506 18:37:58< zookeeper> because 1) that's not what i see and 2) i don't see how it could be possible anyway (except if an add-on does it)
20160506 18:37:59< Ravana_> I grepped for that, no relevant matches found
20160506 18:39:27< Ravana_> though for addons, there should be some, but they aren't showing up, so I guess shortcut didn't work, and it was looking for the random location
20160506 18:42:40< Ravana_> Oh I see
20160506 18:42:57< Ravana_> this only happens when I select game language as english
20160506 18:43:20< zookeeper> gb you mean?
20160506 18:44:13< Ravana_> I guess so, I haven't paid much attention as long as it is english
20160506 18:44:50< Ravana_> indeed, US version is as expected
20160506 18:44:50< zookeeper> well that's the gb translator's oversight then
20160506 18:45:43< zookeeper> wedge009 ^
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20160506 18:59:18< Ravana_> I actually assumed that GB version was automatically generated with some conversion rules
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20160506 20:25:39< celticminstrel> Even though it's just another dialect of English, automated translation would still have problems.
20160506 20:26:39< celticminstrel> I can't think of any examples off the top of my head that specifically affect Wesnoth, but "tire" for example would be the correct spelling in GB when used as a verb, so you can't just blindly convert "tire" -> "tyre".
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20160506 20:36:28< Ravana_> indeed... just only difference I know to look for between those two is switching s/z and s/c in some words
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20160506 21:13:03< celticminstrel> It's more than just spelling, mind you.
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20160506 22:16:42< Aginor> morning
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