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20160509 02:59:17< irker220> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:1.12 55985d70b223 / changelog src/ai/testing/ca.cpp: Default AI: fix two bugs in the goto candidate action https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/55985d70b223859d46711175092fca0b3e286928
20160509 03:17:37< mattsc> vultraz_iOS, shadowm: ^ that’s the last thing from me for 1.12.6
20160509 03:17:49< vultraz_iOS> Ok
20160509 03:18:08< shadowm> Don't worry too much, like whoever said, there's going to be a string-freeze period like usual.
20160509 03:18:21< vultraz_iOS> Proceed
20160509 03:18:22< celticminstrel> So which of you is doing this, anyway?
20160509 03:18:23< shadowm> Plus I haven't sent an email yet.
20160509 03:18:37< mattsc> right; I’d already forgotten  :P
20160509 03:18:44< shadowm> Mostly because I've been busy playing a really crappy campaign.
20160509 03:18:54< vultraz_iOS> I'll write the announcement
20160509 03:19:51< shadowm> gfgtdf: If you want to fix more LoW stuff then that would be great. Will you need to change more translatable strings or is it now an appropriate time for a string freeze?
20160509 03:19:59< shadowm> vultraz_iOS: Nope, I will write the announcement.
20160509 03:20:05< vultraz_iOS> ...
20160509 03:20:12< vultraz_iOS> Are you taking my job
20160509 03:20:39< celticminstrel> vultraz_iOS: I'm guessing you haven't been paying attention? He's offering to do it just for 1.12.x releases.
20160509 03:20:58< vultraz_iOS> Oh, I see
20160509 03:21:16< vultraz_iOS> Well that's generous, seeing as this is likely the last one :p
20160509 03:21:43< shadowm> Big words coming from our "Community Manager".
20160509 03:21:45< celticminstrel> It's likely the last one, though who knows. It's probably not impossible for a 1.12.7 to surface as well.
20160509 03:23:23< celticminstrel> I forget, was there some vague plan for when 1.14 would happen?
20160509 03:57:59< pydsigner> When it's ready?
20160509 03:58:30< celticminstrel> Well, I was thinking of something slightly less vague.
20160509 03:58:39< celticminstrel> Like, for example, "next winter". That kind of vagueness.
20160509 04:00:35< The_Unforgiven> celticminstrel: Sometime between now and the year 2100.
20160509 04:00:36< pydsigner> inb4 that becomes the vague plan
20160509 04:01:04< celticminstrel> Nah, less vague than that, too.
20160509 04:01:24< celticminstrel> But these responses do seem to add up to a general sense of "no, there wasn't".
20160509 04:01:51< pydsigner> I honestly wouldn't know, I'm not on the ML
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20160509 04:07:07< celticminstrel> Fair enough.
20160509 04:08:43< pydsigner> Maybe shadowm or gfgtdf knows, however I do think that there probably wasn't a clear plan.
20160509 04:13:27< celticminstrel> Pretty sure there's no clear plan, yeah, but I was asking about vague plans. :P
20160509 04:53:19< celticminstrel> BTW gfgtdf, whenever you're paying attention... you should consider the use of "git subtree" for dealing with that repo size problem (Freem has mentioned it in the thread, not sure if you noticed yet).
20160509 04:56:43< celticminstrel> ...come to think of it, I wonder if Travis could be sped up by making a shallow clone. Unless someone already did that?
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20160509 05:02:24< shadowm> Doesn't it already do that?
20160509 05:02:32< celticminstrel> I dunno. Maybe it does.
20160509 05:02:44< iceiceice> if you are using the docker infrastructure then i think it does something even better
20160509 05:02:45< celticminstrel> Maybe I should check before saying these sorts of things.
20160509 05:03:00< shadowm> I'mf airly sure it does.
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20160509 05:04:28< celticminstrel> I think you're probably right, I see "docker" mentioned up near the top.
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20160509 05:36:59< aquileia> zookeeper, kwandulin: Or you could use auto_hflip & auto_vflip as it's supposed to be done, see: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/units/monsters/Alien_Body.cfg
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20160509 07:24:21< zookeeper> aquileia, right, i forgot that exists.
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20160509 10:03:31< gfgtdf> shadowm: i don't think i'll need more translatable strings
20160509 10:13:29< gfgtdf> celmin|sleep: hmm imreadng it now
20160509 10:13:51< gfgtdf> celmin|sleep: doyouknow whether the 3gb size arefor master branch onlyor for llbranches?
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20160509 12:09:25< irker500> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master e6eec06cb740 / src/gui/dialogs/game_cache_options.cpp: gui2/tgame_cache_options: Display busy cursor while measuring cache size https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/e6eec06cb740838cb93c9ddb5952ef7a4d266e15
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20160509 13:46:01< irker500> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 2ac59d28ac5c / src/ (gui/dialogs/loadscreen.cpp preferences.cpp preferences.hpp): add option to disable loadinscreen animation https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/2ac59d28ac5c410910fdec79fcc8be0ab579733c
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20160509 14:38:26< celticminstrel> ...what's the point of that?
20160509 14:39:34< celticminstrel> I guess it's a hidden pref though, so that's fine...
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20160509 15:20:08< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: the reason is explained in the commit message
20160509 15:20:46< celticminstrel> Ah, okay, that's actually not a bad reason...
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20160509 18:08:28 * The_Unforgiven Internet High Fives celticminstrel
20160509 18:08:37< The_Unforgiven> Good teamwork xD
20160509 18:11:56< celticminstrel> ?
20160509 18:12:45< The_Unforgiven> On exlaining what I meant on the forums (  https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&p=596917#p596917 )
20160509 18:13:54< celticminstrel> Oh, okay.
20160509 18:14:26< The_Unforgiven> You question internet high fives?
20160509 18:14:34< celticminstrel> I dunno.
20160509 18:14:48 * celticminstrel shrugs and returns the high five.
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20160509 18:24:18< irker423> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:master 0ccfbc1525b5 / changelog players_changelog po/wesnoth-ai/de.po: updated German translation https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/0ccfbc1525b5e7b4ef1403ce9a52e849c4040ea3
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20160509 19:35:30< irker423> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:master 76a8a9857412 / changelog src/ai/default/ca.cpp: Default AI: fix two bugs in the goto candidate action https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/76a8a9857412848837839e18ed08f0ded4534b58
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20160509 20:05:32< celticminstrel> I seem to recall that the readme needs updating in master...
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20160509 20:23:46< SigurdFD> celticminstrel: Regarding 1.14, I rememeber seeing shadowm suggest around August 2016 for feature freeze for the current development cycle.
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20160509 20:24:38< SigurdFD> I think aiming for that would be a good thing.
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20160509 20:57:02< zookeeper> SigurdFD, want to add a changelog entry for the undead removal PR?
20160509 20:58:18< SigurdFD> zookeeper: ok, also I need to do a changelog for the S10 changes. Should I make a new pr for it, or add it along with the undead removal pr?
20160509 20:58:38< zookeeper> better not mix
20160509 20:59:03< SigurdFD> ok.
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20160509 21:25:40< SigurdFD> zookeeper: undead changelog entries added.
20160509 21:26:41< zookeeper> all right, i'll squashmerge thne
20160509 21:26:43< zookeeper> then, even
20160509 21:27:09< zookeeper> ...since it seems like there's no utility in preserving the individual commits
20160509 21:29:00< SigurdFD> ok
20160509 21:30:37< irker423> wesnoth: Jeffrey 'Sigurd' Westcoat wesnoth:master 7954dbc9e00b / / (4 files in 3 dirs): HttT S19c undead removal (#652) https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/7954dbc9e00b19a5c8e0bba6c559be60e67b6fb0
20160509 21:31:06< zookeeper> perfect
20160509 21:32:23< celticminstrel> Is it my imagination or is that name somehow different from his earlier commits.
20160509 21:37:07< SigurdFD> it's different. must be an effect of the squash commit to use my name from my github profile intstead of my nick
20160509 21:37:32< celticminstrel> Guess so.
20160509 21:48:45< irker423> wesnoth: sigurdfdragon wesnoth:master d622403f7ce9 / changelog players_changelog: HttT S10: Add changlog entries for objectives clarification. https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/d622403f7ce9a42dc587f8adc380ddbfc21826bc
20160509 21:48:47< irker423> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master b3124f139cb4 / changelog players_changelog: Merge pull request #655 from sigurdfdragon/HttT_S10_Fixes_Changelog https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/b3124f139cb42ed2982d495e0e3f1f4a356fdacd
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20160509 22:13:42< shadowm> SigurdFD, celticminstrel: I suggested that time frame based on the 1.11.x release cycle, in order to make 1.14.0 more or less coincide with the second anniversary of 1.12.0. I definitely didn't take into account the various situations that have been holding progress back this year.
20160509 22:14:18< shadowm> (Mostly on account of such situations taking place _after_ I came up with that tentative schedule.)
20160509 22:15:17< shadowm> Right now vultraz and/or loonycyborg is the Release Manager for development, so the actual schedule is up to him/them, if they have one at all.
20160509 22:16:34< shadowm> (For example, back in Ivanovic's times we never had a plan at all and just threw code at master to see what would stick. I tried to reverse that, it didn't pan out, vultraz has been sending mixed signals as of late, and looncyborg's thoughts are always a mystery.)
20160509 22:18:34< shadowm> ("Back in my days" speech alert.)
20160509 22:19:01 * Aginor comments on how exensive milk is nowadays
20160509 22:19:26< shadowm> For most stable series following 1.2.x, back when I was a dev, we used to have 1-year development cycles instead of 2-year cycles.
20160509 22:20:35< shadowm> 1.4.0 came out in March 2008, 1.6.0 in March 2009, 1.8.0 in March 2010.
20160509 22:20:49< zookeeper> we should elect a supreme leader who decides this sort of thing, and enforces it with a blunt instrument that makes a funny sound.
20160509 22:21:06< shadowm> Then 1.10.0 came out in January 2012 instead, 1.12.0 in November 2014.
20160509 22:22:17< shadowm> There was a secondary reason for me trying to push for an early/mid Q3 release date for 1.14.0: making it to Debian testing before the feature freeze later this year.
20160509 22:26:09< shadowm> Hm. It seems like they postponed the freeze by two months in March this year though, so the testing freeze would begin in January 2017 instead.
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20160509 22:31:40< SigurdFD> Even though Debian postponed, I think aiming for August/Sept is still a good idea, to avoid a 3 year cycle.
20160509 22:31:53< Aginor> I'm in favour of that
20160509 22:32:25< Aginor> let's get our feature plan reviewed to see what should be in there to make it happen, and what needs to be cut
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20160509 22:33:01< Aginor> I'd volunteer to look at that, and maybe do some bug triaging as well, but I don't want to step vutraz on the toes
20160509 22:37:31< shadowm> Probably should ask vultraz directly then.
20160509 22:38:18< shadowm> I don't think he'd be one to reject an offer for free lab^W^Wadditional help with tedious tasks.
20160509 22:40:26< Aginor> I've been pushing for this to happen for a while now so I better put my money where my mouth is
20160509 22:40:31< Aginor> or time in this matter
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20160509 22:41:59< shadowm> gfgtdf: About the shuffle sides warning in LoW, is chapter 1 scenario 1 the only non-debug-mode entry point for the campaign in MP?
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20160509 22:43:41< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#9395 (master - b3124f1 : Celtic Minstrel): The build has errored.
20160509 22:43:41< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/128977724
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20160509 22:43:54< shadowm> gfgtdf: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21371130/screenshots/019201png
20160509 22:45:37< shadowm> gfgtdf: Also, your code displays the message on _prestart_, which is something you've actually spoken against before.
20160509 22:47:22< shadowm> I'm going to commit a tiny change to that message and then pot-update for the string freeze, so any further changes ought to keep the message intact, btw.
20160509 22:53:27< shadowm> celticminstrel: You are a native speaker, right?
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20160509 22:54:59< gfgtdf> shadowm: hmm no afaik people can also start it at later scenario but i have never seen anyone anyone doing that on te mp server so i don't care that much
20160509 22:56:49< gfgtdf> shadowm: hmm i remember speakign again messages from lua initilsation code, and aginst seapking [message] with [option]s during prestart (the later only matters for mp), not against messages during prestart in gerneral.
20160509 22:57:46< gfgtdf> shadowm: hmm your filename sees to miss the dot before the png
20160509 22:59:22< shadowm> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21371130/screenshots/019201.png
20160509 23:00:09< gfgtdf> shadowm: the main reason why i used prestart is that i wanted ot be sure that its fired before the other events, maybe start would wokr too if it the first event in the file but i didnt want to rely on that
20160509 23:02:55< shadowm> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21371130/screenshots/38931.png
20160509 23:04:03< shadowm> The problem with prestart and preload is that whatever was on the screen before running the event sticks around.
20160509 23:04:26< shadowm> It's not a huge deal anyway seeing as how this is supposed to be a border case.
20160509 23:05:20< gfgtdf> shadowm: hmm but i remember some scenarios showing messages at the binning on a completeely black backgroud, i always though the used messages during prestart
20160509 23:05:58< gfgtdf> shadowm: and without the 'skip' button that the sotrysceen has
20160509 23:06:16< shadowm> celticminstrel, gfgtdf: Opinions? https://gist.github.com/shikadilord/6e4ee316e0913ef7bd4f241d1f7b7a96
20160509 23:13:26< gfgtdf> shadowm: from what i hared form nobun, the gettext collector might not be able to understand caption = wesnoth.textdomain("wesnoth-lib")("Error"), i ight be wrong though.
20160509 23:13:58< shadowm> That's intentional.
20160509 23:14:56< shadowm> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/1.12/po/wesnoth-lib/wesnoth-lib.pot#L3322
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20160509 23:23:03< SigurdFD> gfgtdf: I can't seem to find the disable loadingscreen animation preference. where is it at?
20160509 23:23:31< gfgtdf> SigurdFD: its not there yet you can currently only disable it by changing the preferences file
20160509 23:23:38< SigurdFD> ok
20160509 23:23:41< SigurdFD> thanks
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