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20160510 00:20:43< celticminstrel> Looks fine, shadowm. And yes, English is my native language.
20160510 00:22:37< shadowm> OK then, I can proceed.
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20160510 00:30:58-!- shadowm changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: String freeze active on 1.12 | Wesnoth Developers Channel | >>> Want to help? Go here: http://r.wesnoth.org/t42911 (and thanks!) <<< | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Bug tracker: http://bugs.wesnoth.org
20160510 00:30:58< irker423> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:1.12 1530e40a4b01 / data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/chapter1/01_The_Uprooting.cfg: LoW: Improve Shuffle sides warning https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/1530e40a4b01169359f4f30e823ccd981ca88534
20160510 00:31:01< irker423> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:1.12 e4c53557ad87 / / (852 files in 28 dirs): pot and documentation update https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/e4c53557ad8716c6effa92b5a1501dcd40daf6e6
20160510 00:32:44< shadowm> I hereby declare the 1.12 branch string frozen. Don't alter existing strings (other than removal) blah blah blah. I'll send the email in a few.
20160510 00:33:08< shadowm> *removal/relocation within same textdomain
20160510 00:48:33 * Aginor approves
20160510 00:48:37< Aginor> shadowm: thank you
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20160510 01:00:36< shadowm> Email sent.
20160510 01:01:00< shadowm> After fighting Google's interface for about 15 minutes.
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20160510 09:01:23< shadowm> I'm guessing our Glorious Leader did not close bugs fixed in the last development release.
20160510 09:02:45< shadowm> Hm, ancestral has only been here for one night this month thus far.
20160510 09:04:27< shadowm> And he last spoke on April 15.
20160510 09:13:51< zookeeper> btw, i've never known who you're referring to as glorious leader.
20160510 09:14:09< shadowm> Who do you think?
20160510 09:14:31< shadowm> I'm obviously referring to vultraz.
20160510 09:14:39< zookeeper> right
20160510 09:28:49< shadowm> I just came up with a really ugly hack to most certainly definitely really fix the issue with the minimap button icons disappearing at times in 1.12.
20160510 09:29:36< shadowm> Aginor: Maybe you have an opinion about it? :p https://gist.github.com/shikadilord/ebfe1ad484794b0fa9b7e87c00fa97ac
20160510 09:32:10< shadowm> It is guaranteed to work no matter what but I'm not sure I can justify committing it as-is and not feel like I've sinned, even though it fixes a notable UX issue.
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20160510 09:33:57< shadowm> OTOH I think I may actually be able to implement a more elegant solution.
20160510 09:40:12< shadowm> Oookay, I didn't expect a modification to the GUI1 API to cause GUI2 to be recompiled too.
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20160510 10:17:45< shadowm> Very weird things happen if I use a non-hacky solution.
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20160510 10:19:23< shadowm> That's the opposite of what I expected.
20160510 10:25:26< Nobun> shadowm: I highly doubt I can be helpful.... but what problem are you facing?
20160510 10:26:15< shadowm> I'm getting an unexpected suffix in a GUI1 button's overlay path stem field for some reason.
20160510 10:29:15< Nobun> GUI1, so on 1.12 branch, right?
20160510 10:29:25< shadowm> GUI1 exists in both branches but yes.
20160510 10:29:49< Nobun> I will take a look too... 
20160510 10:30:03< Nobun> (but I doubt I can find anything you didn't notice)
20160510 10:30:19< shadowm> Eh, I don't think you'll find the problem, since it's a very particular situation that won't happen without an uncommitted patch.
20160510 10:30:52< Nobun> hmm...ok...
20160510 10:31:11< shadowm> Oh. OH. I think I just figured it out.
20160510 10:31:31< Nobun> well... nice work, shadowm 
20160510 10:31:39< shadowm> Okay I did not figure it out.
20160510 10:31:50< Nobun> lol... whell... don't be discouraged
20160510 10:31:51< shadowm> Oh I actually did figure it out!
20160510 10:32:05< shadowm> It's the WML that specifies an overlay image with the redundant suffix.
20160510 10:32:07 * Nobun trust in shadowm 
20160510 10:32:31 * shadowm was confused at first because he didn't remember some of the relevant theme UI WML is macroified.
20160510 10:32:53< shadowm> This is a very interesting discovery, though.
20160510 10:32:58< Nobun> actually, shadowm, I still don't understand how you (all of you developer) can understand the wesnoth sources
20160510 10:33:29< shadowm> In theory we should be getting two minimap buttons with a nonexistent overlay for a fraction of a second before the hotkey engine code replaces them with its own notion of those paths.
20160510 10:33:53< shadowm> Which means we should be getting at least two warnings in stderr all the time...
20160510 10:34:35< shadowm> Four, actually.
20160510 10:34:50< shadowm> But this doesn't happen...?
20160510 10:35:14< Nobun> shadowm: as long is something that it is related to WML code
20160510 10:35:27< Nobun> probably it is not displayed in stderr
20160510 10:35:56< shadowm> No, it ought to be displayed regardless because that's how the unconditional image::get_image() calls work.
20160510 10:36:38< Nobun> understood...
20160510 10:37:06< Nobun> I can only think about theories... as I said before I am not enough skilled to help on c++ code
20160510 10:38:01< Nobun> mostly becouse c++ code used in wesnoth is a bit obscure...
20160510 10:38:48< shadowm> It's a labyrinth, yes.
20160510 10:39:16< shadowm> That's precisely why I'm stuck debugging this particular situation the old-fashioned way.
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20160510 10:42:29< shadowm> This actually explains why two buttons in particular keep their overlays when the disappearing overlays bug happens -- they use the overlays specified by the WML.
20160510 10:42:43< shadowm> But the paths in the WML are bogus, so this shouldn't be working anyway!
20160510 10:43:04< shadowm> Ohhhh um.
20160510 10:43:29< shadowm> The automatic size suffix is empty when the button's height is unrecognized or zero.
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20160510 10:45:09< shadowm> Ahhhhhh, I see.
20160510 10:45:19< shadowm> How very interesting.
20160510 10:46:02< Nobun> shadowm... the only thing I could think about was... that image paths are calculated starting from [binary_path]
20160510 10:46:09< shadowm> Okay, anyway the solution is just to fix the WML and retest my engine changes.
20160510 10:46:25< shadowm> Nobun: Nah, that part was good anyway, it was the suffixes that were wrong.
20160510 10:46:48 * Nobun cannot be helpful :P
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20160510 10:49:29< shadowm> Yayyyyy, I... made it worse.
20160510 10:50:22< shadowm> I guess the overlays absolutely need to be specified by the WML because of some special case (or most likely the lack thereof) in the hotkey engine for these buttons.
20160510 10:52:16< shadowm> Yesssss, I have the definitive series of fixes.
20160510 10:52:36< shadowm> I have finally solved the disappearing minimap button overlays bug! \o/
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20160510 11:09:20< Nobun> grats, shadowm 
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20160510 11:24:10< shadowm> I may have broken the editor.
20160510 11:24:43< shadowm> Of course things couldn't be that easy. <_<
20160510 11:30:46< Nobun> shadowm: soon or later you will fix all the issues :)
20160510 11:33:27< shadowm> I hope, because this game of bug whack-a-mole is getting tiresome.
20160510 11:38:23< shadowm> And scons randomly acquired a bug wherein it takes up 100% CPU for about 20 seconds before starting to compile stuff.
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20160510 11:45:08< loonycyborg> shadowm: are you using fast=true? 
20160510 11:45:40< shadowm> Hm.
20160510 11:45:45< shadowm> No. Why would I?
20160510 11:45:57< shadowm> I don't remember this being a problem before, on this machine.
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20160510 11:46:53< shadowm> Okay, thanks to the editor, my fix became quite a bit more involved than originally intended.
20160510 11:47:00< loonycyborg> this options prevents it from pulling boost headers into the dependency graph, which could result in slowdown you mentioned
20160510 11:47:26< shadowm> I wonder who came up with this idea that the engine should define the fn suffix for overlays but _not_ button frames.
20160510 11:47:35< shadowm> :|
20160510 11:48:10< shadowm> Hm.
20160510 11:48:42< shadowm> loonycyborg: But the downside is that if I upgrade Boost, scons will assume it doesn't need to recompile any files, right?
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20160510 11:48:49< loonycyborg> yes
20160510 11:48:59< shadowm> Which means that I will experience a lot of weird shit at runtime in the worst case.
20160510 11:49:25< loonycyborg> yes
20160510 11:50:00< shadowm> Okay, then I guess I should look at it this way: why is scanning those dependencies slower than it used to be months ago?
20160510 11:50:09< shadowm> I did upgrade scons some days ago, so it could be that.
20160510 11:50:15< loonycyborg> maybe
20160510 11:50:38< loonycyborg> which version you have atm?
20160510 11:50:45< shadowm> I'll try to remember later to try downgrading and see if it makes a difference.
20160510 11:51:08< shadowm> 08:50:48 shadowm@nanacore ~ % scons --version
20160510 11:51:14< shadowm>         script: v2.5.0.rel_2.5.0:3544:95d356f188a3[MODIFIED], 2016/04/09 14:38:50, by bdbaddog on ubuntu1404-32bit
20160510 11:51:17< shadowm>         engine: v2.5.0.rel_2.5.0:3544:95d356f188a3[MODIFIED], 2016/04/09 14:38:50, by bdbaddog on ubuntu1404-32bit
20160510 11:52:26< shadowm> Toggling fast on and off again had the unexpected side-effect of causing scons to recompile everything again.
20160510 11:52:50< shadowm> And I guess my ccache cache is a bit spare after some house-cleaning I did the other day.
20160510 11:52:56< shadowm> sparse
20160510 11:54:48< shadowm> The upgrade was 2.4.1 -> 2.5.0 on the 15th of April.
20160510 11:56:16< loonycyborg> Ijust did the same upgrade and noticed no difference with fast=true
20160510 11:56:23< shadowm> You mean fast=no.
20160510 11:56:43< loonycyborg> no, I have it enabled
20160510 11:56:50< shadowm> The whole point is that I'm using fast=no because it's the default.
20160510 11:56:54< loonycyborg> need full rebuild to test disabled
20160510 11:57:03< loonycyborg> which I'm doing now :P
20160510 11:57:42< shadowm> Anyway the tl;dr of the minimap+editor buttons issue is that the theme engine and gui::button and again gui::button (yes) don't exactly agree about whether overlay image paths should have the size suffix or not.
20160510 11:58:38< shadowm> So I have a fix. But I'm not entirely sure if it's complete since it has an unusual degree of codependency with WML.
20160510 11:59:13< shadowm> In other words, it counts as breaking compatibility for theme UI WML.
20160510 11:59:23< shadowm> Yeah I don't think I can land this in 1.12. Dammit.
20160510 12:00:06< shadowm> Buttons aren't supposed to be recreated a million times per second, so perhaps I can figure something out that doesn't break compatibility at the cost of code simplicity...
20160510 12:01:13< shadowm> For what it's worth, I really doubt _anyone_ outside of mainline uses the theme UI WML bit whose semantics I had to change for that fix.
20160510 12:02:07< shadowm> Then again, this is more or less what I said when I decided to move a few bits of theme UI WML around to decrease unnecessary WML tree redundancy, and then some UMC person went and proved me wrong post-release.
20160510 12:02:25< shadowm> Sigh.
20160510 12:02:56< shadowm> So I'm forced to find a way to keep the existing semantics even though they are completely and utterly wrong and unreliable because of a gui::button quirk (read: bug).
20160510 12:04:20< shadowm> Maybe I should patch the bug locally so it stops bothering me and refrain from attempting to publish the fix.
20160510 12:04:58< loonycyborg> you sure you can't land it in 1.12?
20160510 12:05:10< shadowm> Not as-is, I just explained why.
20160510 12:05:44< shadowm> It's irrelevant for master because Aginor changed things in a way that either deliberately or accidentally fixed the bug there.
20160510 12:09:08< loonycyborg> yes, fast=false seems even slower than before
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20160510 14:10:11< mattsc> I’d really like to know whether it is intentional that movemaps for units with zero moves do not even contain the current location of a unit.
20160510 14:10:45< mattsc> It is, among other things, the cause of this bug: https://gna.org/bugs/?23720
20160510 14:14:05 * zookeeper doesn't know
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20160510 14:31:55< mattsc> zookeeper: yeah, it’s one of those things that potentially has very far reaching consequences, so I don’t want to change it just to fix this bug (which really doesn’t happen very often at all).
20160510 14:32:12< mattsc> I’d rather put a work-around for it into the attack evaluation code.
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20160510 14:59:34< mattsc> If I were to guess, I’d say it’s probably done so that units that have moved already won’t be considered for moving any more.  But I have no idea if that’s the only reason.
20160510 15:10:29< mattsc> Interestingly, this problem also seems to apply to units that have MP but cannot move anywhere (such as a Pirate Galleon on land), but not to units who have moved (MP-0) but not attacked yet.
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20160510 21:16:05< loonycyborg> SigurdFD: You on irc too? Then no need to pm :P
20160510 21:17:29< Aginor> shadowm: I think it's alright to commit in 1.12, please don't let it near 1.13 :)
20160510 21:18:01< Aginor> 22:26 < shadowm> I'm getting an unexpected suffix in a GUI1 button's overlay path  stem field for some reason.
20160510 21:18:02< loonycyborg> so what's the exact problem with merging directories? why not just unpack into same place?
20160510 21:18:07< Aginor> I think I've fixed that in 1.13
20160510 21:20:15< Aginor> shadowm: and I changed things to deliberately fix things :)
20160510 21:22:03< SigurdFD> loonycyborg: part of it is that shutil.copytree requires the target directory not to exist already
20160510 21:22:59< loonycyborg> why you need copytree? Why not unpack right there? It seemed to me that it preserves paths in archive
20160510 21:29:00< SigurdFD> part of it is that the script check to see if a .zip is unpacked is if the directory exists or not.
20160510 21:29:41< SigurdFD> part of it is that the 6 packages when unpacked have common directorys among them, which is why I can't use copytree
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20160510 21:30:03< SigurdFD> part of it is I don't really know much about python
20160510 21:31:09< loonycyborg> maybe detail this issue in the pr? Probably techtonik would know how to do it
20160510 21:31:42< SigurdFD> the script has some simple merging of a small part of the unpacked SDL directories, but to get it to work for tdm-gcc, a much more complex script would be needed.
20160510 21:37:29< SigurdFD> I can detail the issue in the pr. At this point, dealing with the possibility of using tdm-gcc is the only thing I have left to do.
20160510 21:39:24< loonycyborg> ok, do that. Pretty sure he'll handle it
20160510 21:45:30< SigurdFD> done
20160510 21:49:42< SigurdFD> there was one other thing with pr616...
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20160510 21:50:37< SigurdFD> ... does anyone know how I would pass the the --confg-dir flag to wesnoth when used with gdb.exe?
20160510 21:52:24< shadowm> $ gdb -- args wesnoth.exe <wesnoth args here>
20160510 21:52:30< shadowm> (gdb) run <wesnoth args here>
20160510 21:52:44< shadowm> I meant --args in the first one, not "-- args"
20160510 21:53:16< SigurdFD> do I need the < > ?
20160510 21:53:39< shadowm> No.
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20160510 21:56:40< SigurdFD> thanks
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