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20160525 04:21:57< celticminstrel> People should look at PR661.
20160525 04:22:06< celticminstrel> Not because it's good, but because I'm really unsure about it.
20160525 04:22:11< celticminstrel> It's not bad, mind you.
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20160525 04:27:10 * celticminstrel adds some PRs to milestones.
20160525 04:27:16< celticminstrel> Oh hey, Nobun.
20160525 04:27:21< Nobun> hi :)
20160525 04:27:23< celticminstrel> I vaguely remember wanting to say something.
20160525 04:27:39< Nobun> I figured out how to solve the problem, but I still not updated my PR
20160525 04:27:49< celticminstrel> Sadly, I don't remember what it was. Maybe I already said it in the PR. I can't remember.
20160525 04:28:32< Nobun> don't worry... I know what was wrong in my code and I am near to update the PR
20160525 04:28:38< celticminstrel> 'kay
20160525 04:28:47< Nobun> however I have a question before doing it
20160525 04:28:57< celticminstrel> I think everyone already knew that Nobun = AncientLich, BTW.
20160525 04:30:04< Nobun> lol... it was to be sure... since I don't know why I choosed AncientLich instead of Unqou (wich is the upside-down of Nobun)
20160525 04:30:21< Nobun> however my question is simply
20160525 04:30:31< celticminstrel> That's not the upside-down of Nobun.
20160525 04:30:38< Nobun> yep it is
20160525 04:30:44< Nobun> turn your head on unqou
20160525 04:31:12< Nobun> (or if you like rotate 180° your screen)
20160525 04:31:16< celticminstrel> Wait, hmm, I suppose "upside-down" is better used to refer to rotation than reflection after all...
20160525 04:31:49< celticminstrel> It does still require all-lowercase to work though.
20160525 04:31:55< Nobun> yeah
20160525 04:32:03< Nobun> indeed
20160525 04:32:24< celticminstrel> I think you can change your GitHub name. At least, I'm sure I've seen people whose names changed. If you care... maybe you don't.
20160525 04:32:35< Nobun> however I noticed that data/core/macros/names.cfg _ << string >>
20160525 04:32:49< Nobun> are obliouvsly multiline
20160525 04:32:57< Nobun> but the first line is always empty
20160525 04:33:22< Nobun> on the current code I use the same sample as other strings (so the first line is written blank)
20160525 04:33:32< celticminstrel> That's really just so it looks nicer, similar to how Lua << >> usually leaves the first line empty.
20160525 04:34:00< celticminstrel> There's no reason to assume it will always be empty though.
20160525 04:34:35< celticminstrel> Mind you, it probably wouldn't hurt to assume, if it's much easier to implement.
20160525 04:34:48< celticminstrel> One-liner grammars could probably be quoted instead.
20160525 04:35:05< Nobun> http://dpaste.com/3K6NJKA
20160525 04:35:09< celticminstrel> Though PR 661 could change that if it's accepted...
20160525 04:35:36< Nobun> this is what I meant... as long as you could write some text in the first line
20160525 04:35:44< celticminstrel> That output looks fine to me.
20160525 04:36:30< Nobun> ok... I was uncertain since... tecnically you could write some text before going into a new line
20160525 04:36:44< celticminstrel> You could, yes.
20160525 04:37:14< Nobun> however all other multi line strings works in the same way, currently
20160525 04:37:51< Nobun> now... I will hope I can edit my PR... since I did git push on MY repository and then I added PR from my account
20160525 04:38:09< celticminstrel> All you need to do is git push to your repository again.
20160525 04:38:17< celticminstrel> It will then automatically update the PR.
20160525 04:38:18< Nobun> ok than
20160525 04:38:42< celticminstrel> By the way, are you keeping your separate wmlxgettext repo around?
20160525 04:38:52< Nobun> (all that actually w
20160525 04:38:57< celticminstrel> Just out of curiosity.
20160525 04:38:59 * Nobun sorry
20160525 04:39:13< Nobun> celticminstrel: currently my repo is not updated
20160525 04:39:33< Nobun> since I was thinking about pushing code directly in wesnoth
20160525 04:39:52< Nobun> but perhaps I will update the code also in my repository
20160525 04:40:16< celticminstrel> Well, you could also delete it.
20160525 04:40:28< Nobun> I will not delete it for a reason
20160525 04:41:01< Nobun> the repository is used by readthedocs for online documentation linked in the updated comments
20160525 04:41:54< Nobun> surely I am planning to add a warning note about the 'project merged to wesnoth'
20160525 04:42:12< celticminstrel> Fair enough, I guess...
20160525 04:42:31 * Nobun knows that his documentation is not very well done... but better than nothing :P
20160525 04:43:11< Nobun> however, as I pre-faced, I would not being surprised if the name generators will never be actually translated
20160525 04:43:38< celticminstrel> I think poorly written documentation is not always better than no documentation, though I suppose it's very difficult to actually be worse than no documentation.
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20160525 04:43:55< celticminstrel> I think the name generators may be translated in languages that use a different script, such as Russian or Japanese.
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20160525 04:44:10< celticminstrel> But I don't really know.
20160525 04:44:20< celticminstrel> I don't really know if the Markov versions were ever translated, either.
20160525 04:44:23< iceiceice> i have a question,
20160525 04:44:33< iceiceice> when making an add-on which uses another add-on as a dependency,
20160525 04:44:41< iceiceice> should i include that add-on in my _main.cfg also?
20160525 04:44:49< iceiceice> if i need to use macros from that add-on?
20160525 04:44:57< iceiceice> or scenarios?
20160525 04:45:01< iceiceice> or is there a better way to do this
20160525 04:45:09< shadowm> You include whatever file defines the macros.
20160525 04:45:15< iceiceice> to my knowledge, wml include directives do not have include guards?
20160525 04:46:25< Nobun> celticminstrel: I mean... as far as names.cfg _ << name generator >> make use of macros, probably no translation will ever work and the sentence will remain untranslated
20160525 04:46:49< Nobun> I explained my doubt in my first reply on my PR
20160525 04:47:00 * Nobun is updating PR now...
20160525 04:47:06< celticminstrel> It doesn't make use of macros...
20160525 04:48:21< Nobun> celticminstrel: see male_name_generator on data/core/macros/names.cpp:21
20160525 04:48:51< Nobun> you could notice the first line of the string (line 21) --> ain={prefix}{suffix}|{prefix}’{suffix}|{prefix}{suffix} {short_name}
20160525 04:48:53< celticminstrel> It doesn't make use of macros. With the << >> syntax, it's literally impossible to make use of macros.3
20160525 04:49:00< Nobun> ah ok
20160525 04:49:03< Nobun> fine than
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20160525 04:49:24< celticminstrel> The reason for using << >> is in fact so that those {prefix} and so forth are not interpreted as macros.
20160525 04:49:41< Nobun> thank for explaination, celticminstrel 
20160525 04:50:55< shadowm> iceiceice: There is no #pragma once equivalent but you can write your own include guards ISO C-style.
20160525 04:51:19< iceiceice> just trying to think through how this works
20160525 04:51:28< iceiceice> if an add-on defines macros and scenarios...
20160525 04:51:40< iceiceice> if i include the entire thing i will get all the macros and scenarios again?
20160525 04:51:47< shadowm> Yes.
20160525 04:52:11< iceiceice> but probably i can include just the macro folder, and assume that the scenario ids will get resolved late or something?
20160525 04:52:17< iceiceice> idk
20160525 04:52:33< iceiceice> i guess this is something to figure out by trial and error but i thought i would ask since it's surely solved already
20160525 04:52:38< shadowm> If you include files that don't do anything other than #define stuff, that stuff will be redefined later.
20160525 04:52:46< shadowm> So it's completely innocuous.
20160525 04:53:07< shadowm> Although 1.13.0 (?) introduced a warning for redefinitions.
20160525 04:53:51< shadowm> I have no idea what happens if a scenario is defined twice with the same id other than make the WML tree needlessly larger.
20160525 04:54:41< shadowm> I know that if a unit_type is defined twice with the same id the game will emit a warning but no idea which definition is used in the end.
20160525 04:55:10< shadowm> Terrain graphic rules are probably dangerous to duplicate.
20160525 04:56:34< shadowm> Same thing applies to top-level [lua] sequences, which you probably don't want running more than once each (although that really depends on what it is they do).
20160525 04:57:05< iceiceice> i see
20160525 04:57:12< iceiceice> so its really pretty important to have a "macros" folder i guess
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20160525 04:59:21< Nobun> celticminstrel: a stupid question
20160525 04:59:30< Nobun> when I git commit (before git push)
20160525 04:59:44< Nobun> should I have to use -m option as usual or not?
20160525 05:00:36< celticminstrel> Whether or not you use the -m option doesn't matter in the slightest.
20160525 05:02:06 * Nobun noticed he HAD to use -m option or his git version returned an error
20160525 05:02:22< shadowm> Only if it can't somehow launch a text editor for you to enter a commit message.
20160525 05:02:33< celticminstrel> Oh.
20160525 05:02:36< shadowm> Or if you want to provide the commit message in the command line, but...
20160525 05:02:49< celticminstrel> I didn't even know it was possible to fail to launch a text editor.
20160525 05:02:54< celticminstrel> I guess if vi isn't installed...
20160525 05:02:59< shadowm> You'll find it pretty hard to write meaningful commit messages using -m: https://wiki.wesnoth.org/DeveloperGuide#Commit_messages
20160525 05:03:26< shadowm> (It is doable, but awkward.)
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20160525 05:04:45< celticminstrel> I wonder if Notepad has a "block until exited" flag.
20160525 05:04:56< shadowm> For launching a text editor, git commit will try (in this order) the command specified in the GIT_EDITOR environment variable, then the core.editor configuration variable, the VISUAL environment variable, or the EDITOR environment variable.
20160525 05:04:57< celticminstrel> I think you can configure it to use Notepad++ somehow.
20160525 05:05:14< celticminstrel> I might have even done that.
20160525 05:05:45< Nobun> no no... the editor launched, but I closed it since I didn't know what I had to do
20160525 05:05:47< shadowm> I assume the same priority list is used for git rebase, git tag, and git merge.
20160525 05:05:54< Nobun> so I committed with -m as usual
20160525 05:05:56< celticminstrel> Ah.
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20160525 05:09:14< Nobun> however it seems that PR actually updated (I think I really need to learn how this thing actually work)
20160525 05:10:10< Nobun> the error however was simple... replacing 'if match.group(x)' with 'if match.group(x) is not None' solved the issue
20160525 05:11:12< Nobun> the regexp could have either group(1) or group(2) but using 'implicit true' failed when the group exists but was empty
20160525 05:11:34< celticminstrel> Because an empty list is falsy in Python.
20160525 05:11:39< Nobun> yep
20160525 05:12:22< Nobun> I forget to think that the value on the first line could be empty
20160525 05:12:43< Nobun> now the code should work fine (I hope)
20160525 05:13:45< Nobun> but I don't understand how github can understand it has to update a PR ...
20160525 05:14:10< celticminstrel> The PR is linked directly to the branch you created it from.
20160525 05:14:21< celticminstrel> So any change to that branch is reflected in the PR.
20160525 05:14:32< Nobun> so... for example
20160525 05:15:19< Nobun> if I try to modify something elso on wesnoth source code (for example a .cpp file) this would update my PR and will not create a new one until the PR is added or dropped?
20160525 05:15:38< celticminstrel> If you do it on the master branch, yes, it would update your PR.
20160525 05:15:51< Nobun> ok
20160525 05:15:52< celticminstrel> Since your PR was created from the master branch.
20160525 05:16:17< Nobun> yep... I created from the master branch becouse I think it was the way to do it
20160525 05:16:36< Nobun> (to do a pull request, I mean)
20160525 05:16:45< celticminstrel> Well, you can create a PR from any branch.
20160525 05:18:23< Nobun> so... when you developers must create more than one PR at one time, you always create a new branch for it... right?
20160525 05:18:35< celticminstrel> Yes.
20160525 05:19:52< Nobun> So... if I understood correctly it could be considered 'suggested' to use an X branch instead of directly pushing update on master branch
20160525 05:20:10< celticminstrel> Yeah, but I don't think it really matters that much.
20160525 05:21:24< Nobun> yep... but I asked since... now I don't have any problems since I stopped to sync my local repo to upstream wesnoth/wesnoth when I published the PR
20160525 05:22:09< Nobun> and I still not updated it (and so I don't add other commit on my origin fork)
20160525 05:22:26< Nobun> (I mean... commit made by others)
20160525 05:22:39< celticminstrel> If you wanted to start a new branch for another PR, you could "git fetch upstream" and then "git checkout -b newbranch FETCH_HEAD".
20160525 05:23:03< celticminstrel> (Replacing "upstream" with either the appropriate name or the git URL for upstream.
20160525 05:23:35< celticminstrel> It's not really important to update other people's commits in your PR, especially if there are no conflicts (and for wmlxgettext changes, I'm sure there won't be).
20160525 05:25:43< Nobun> yeah... but I don't exclude that in a day in a future I could help somehow also on c++ (I highly doubt it, becouse I have very huge problems on understandig cpp code used in wesnoth, and in particular how the code is structured and what file(s) I should look for a feature)
20160525 05:26:53< Nobun> so having the local repo synced with the upstream could be useful
20160525 05:27:14< celticminstrel> There's no hurry to do so though. :)
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20160525 05:27:29< Nobun> and as long as you commit something on your local repo, you would push also other commits made by others in the meantime
20160525 05:28:36< Nobun> celticminstrel: the worst aspect of it is... I know c++ a bit (I am not an expert becouse I am a self-learner man... I am a lawyer not a programmer)
20160525 05:29:26< Nobun> I tried to understand c++ used on wesnoth and every time I try I feel very confused
20160525 05:35:25< shadowm> The C++ used in Wesnoth is chiefly easy-to-intermediate level, with the notable exception of src/gui/auxiliary.
20160525 05:35:37< shadowm> It's the way it's used that's problematic. :p
20160525 05:36:03< Nobun> lol
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20160525 05:37:10< Nobun> I also have to add that I have no experience on SDL and boost (I used a lot Qt)... 
20160525 05:38:03< Nobun> for example... I noticed a bug (that should be now solved) on the 'loading cache' window
20160525 05:38:14< shadowm> Yeah, Qt does use a very different design paradigm to Wesnoth.
20160525 05:38:51< Nobun> (the progress bar appeared weird to me and I tried to fix myself this 'simple' issue=
20160525 05:39:30< Nobun> the problem I faced was... that I didn't know when and how the method of the load_screen classes are actually used
20160525 05:39:48< Nobun> so I did some changes with a 'try and see' approach
20160525 05:40:11< Nobun> I finally found a solution, wich I never published since it was unsatisfatory
20160525 05:41:21< Nobun> (the loading bar was fixed, but it had problems if you tried to resize it while loading)
20160525 05:42:21< Nobun> however... as I said... the major problem for me is to understand 'who calls who and when?'
20160525 05:43:24< Nobun> So... I see a class and its methods, but I am unable to understand the global design of the code and how any component interacts with other code
20160525 05:44:11< Nobun> (it is also the same reason why it is easier to me to write a code from scratch than to try to fix an already written one)
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20160525 07:43:32< Sapient> I saw this quote in one of my github notifications "I should never try to do changes in the master branch anymore"
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20160525 07:53:51 * Sapient still reading about git.... don't expect much from me anytime soon
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20160525 08:18:59< aeth> Wesnoth is easy-to-intermediate C++? Time to rewrite it as a header-only program, then...
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20160525 09:53:24< zookeeper> iceiceice, i think that if you had to include files which contain both macro definitions you need but potentially also things you don't want to duplicate (terrain_graphics/lua/etc), you could maybe include them inside a dummy container so all non-preprocessor semantics are lost.
20160525 09:53:57< vultraz> zookeeper: is your unicode multiplication sign still not showing up properly?
20160525 09:56:32< zookeeper> it's not
20160525 09:57:29< vultraz> blagh
20160525 09:57:33< vultraz> Windows?
20160525 09:57:36< zookeeper> yes
20160525 09:57:42< vultraz> 7?
20160525 09:57:44< zookeeper> yes
20160525 09:57:49< vultraz> hmm
20160525 09:58:38< vultraz> zookeeper: does it display at all if you say, put it in a [message]?
20160525 09:59:12< zookeeper> i can try if you point me to where i can copypaste it from :p
20160525 09:59:38< shadowm> ×
20160525 10:00:17< zookeeper> shows up
20160525 10:00:54< vultraz> ×
20160525 10:00:55< vultraz> aw
20160525 10:01:01< vultraz> too slow
20160525 10:01:11< vultraz> shadowm: does it display for you in the sidebar?
20160525 10:01:25< shadowm> I don't have a current build.
20160525 10:01:29< vultraz> ok
20160525 10:01:30< vultraz> nvm
20160525 10:01:40< vultraz> this is a weird bug..
20160525 10:01:58< shadowm> Oh, but I do see it.
20160525 10:02:39< shadowm> I also see that a lot of descenders are cut off.
20160525 10:03:47< shadowm> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21371130/screenshots/rip-descenders.png
20160525 10:04:22< zookeeper> yep, they are
20160525 10:04:36< shadowm> (Descenders are the portions of a glyph below the baseline, such as the circly tail thingy on g's and the lower half of p's and q's.)
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20160525 10:05:36< vultraz> I am aware
20160525 10:05:56< vultraz> not sure how to fix, but will try
20160525 10:06:04< shadowm> I've learned to explain these things to you preemptively.
20160525 10:07:01< shadowm> The best case is that something in our pipeline is making weird assumptions about the vertical extents of a line of text.
20160525 10:07:09< shadowm> The worst case is that SDL_ttf just can't deal.
20160525 10:08:36< shadowm> Also, for the record, this is Debian stretch.
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20160525 10:08:51< shadowm> I know you've assumed I use Windows in a couple of occasions relatively recently.
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20160525 10:18:50< vultraz> the vertical height is calculated by relative font sizes I believe
20160525 10:22:27< vultraz> either that, or offsets defined in the theme
20160525 10:22:34< vultraz> tl'dr: theme WML sucks 
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20160525 18:43:32< Elvish_Hunter> loonycyborg, celticminstrel, everyone else who cares: I prepared a PR for wmlxgettext that allows to print a colored stderr output even on Windows. If you want to take a look, it's here: https://github.com/AncientLich/wmlxgettext-unoff/pull/3
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20160525 18:57:26< loonycyborg> Elvish_Hunter: hmm interesting. Does a lot of python tools use this api?
20160525 19:12:43< Elvish_Hunter> I heard of a few libraries that do so; one of them is called `colorama`. https://pypi.python.org/pypi/colorama
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20160525 22:49:14< gfgtdf> loonycyborg: is the chat use thgn still an issue in the wesnothd pr ?
20160525 22:50:16< loonycyborg> what chat use thing?
20160525 22:50:51< gfgtdf> loonycyborg: 'I still need to ensure that forum_user_handler functionality works'
20160525 22:51:15< loonycyborg> I tested it using a dummy forum db and it works
20160525 22:51:46< loonycyborg> that's the functionality that lets people log in using their forum credentials
20160525 22:54:46< gfgtdf> loonycyborg: hmm ok so can you merge it now ?
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20160525 23:15:44< loonycyborg> gfgtdf: I can, but better tomorrow :P
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