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My bug queue is just about cleaned out. 20160526 03:58:54-!- hk238 [~kvirc@t224.ip7.netikka.fi] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20160526 04:17:28-!- hk238 [~kvirc@t224.ip7.netikka.fi] has quit [Quit: http://www.kvirc.net/ 4.9.1 Aria] 20160526 04:22:04-!- Greg-Boggs [~greg_bogg@173.240.241.83] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20160526 04:26:41-!- Greg-Boggs [~greg_bogg@173.240.241.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20160526 04:29:16-!- ChipmunkV [~vova@d0017-2-88-172-31-68.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20160526 04:38:07-!- SigurdFD [~SigurdFD@dynamic-acs-72-23-176-151.zoominternet.net] has quit [] 20160526 04:43:42-!- celticminstrel [~celmin@unaffiliated/celticminstrel] has quit [Quit: And lo! The computer falls into a deep sleep, to awake again some other day!] 20160526 04:44:35-!- ancestral [~ancestral@67-4-254-184.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20160526 04:49:29< shadowm> ancestral: https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=597367#p597367 20160526 04:49:43< ancestral> I read that 20160526 04:50:42< ancestral> I don’t know that I can build it to support 10.5 20160526 04:50:54< ancestral> I think mattsc did the last 1.12 build since he has an older machine 20160526 04:51:08-!- oldlaptop [~quassel@50-37-53-169.mskg.mi.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20160526 04:51:28< shadowm> I'm not SkyOne. :3 20160526 04:51:35< ancestral> I know 20160526 04:51:41< vultraz> Didn't we drop 10.5? 20160526 04:51:44< vultraz> Or was that only in 1.13 20160526 04:51:46< ancestral> I’m just letting you know, I don’t think I can fix his problem 20160526 04:51:50< ancestral> vultraz: Technically, 1.13 20160526 04:51:56< shadowm> You should let him know this, not me. 20160526 04:52:08< vultraz> Well, if you can't build for 10.5, it's no big loss 20160526 04:52:12< ancestral> Sure, except it might be good for us to update the page to say it requires 10.6+ 20160526 04:52:15< ancestral> Unless 20160526 04:52:32< ancestral> If mattsc is free, if he has a chance to build 1.12.6 20160526 04:53:33< shadowm> You can update the page if you want, yeah. 20160526 04:53:46< shadowm> Or not, actually I just remembered it's protected. 20160526 04:54:01< vultraz> I can 20160526 04:54:03< shadowm> Hm, it says 10.5+ atm. 20160526 04:54:26< vultraz> I'll make it 10.6+ 20160526 04:54:34< shadowm> I can do that myself. 20160526 04:54:38< shadowm> Still, the most important thing is having something I can point people to in the future. 20160526 04:54:50< shadowm> A post, a news post, anything will do. 20160526 04:56:44< shadowm> Okay, I'm labeling Windows builds "XP and later" from now on. 20160526 04:56:59< shadowm> Just for the sake of transparency. 20160526 04:57:42< shadowm> OK, no, primarily for consistency. 20160526 04:57:49< shadowm> And done. 20160526 05:02:45-!- ancestral [~ancestral@67-4-254-184.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: i go nstuf kthxbai] 20160526 05:12:22< shadowm> I wrote a post with a half-baked explanation myself, hopefully that'll suffice. 20160526 05:17:43-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20160526 05:19:27-!- vultraz [~chatzilla@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20160526 05:19:52-!- vultraz [~chatzilla@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20160526 05:20:46-!- oldlaptop [~quassel@50.36.249.13] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20160526 05:27:02-!- ancestral [~ancestral@67-4-254-184.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20160526 05:49:49< shadowm> ancestral: https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=597439#p597439 -- Wasn't it you who built 1.12.5? 20160526 05:50:22< ancestral> I thought I was building it but mattsc actually made a version at the last minute? I’m not 100% certain though 20160526 05:50:59< ancestral> I seem to recall that being the case 20160526 05:51:30< shadowm> I thought that was 1.12.4. 20160526 05:51:38< shadowm> Groan. 20160526 05:52:14< shadowm> !tag 1.12.5 20160526 05:52:16< shikadibot> shadowm: Tag 1.12.5, revision 1ce2ee82e8d8 (Ignacio R. Morelle) on Fri Nov 6 00:37:04 2015: 20160526 05:52:19< shikadibot> shadowm: Version 1.12.5 20160526 05:52:21< shikadibot> shadowm: Web interface URL: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/1ce2ee82e8d8 20160526 05:53:39< shadowm> 20151109 02:56:32< ancestral> Mac binary coming in about 400MB, 7 MB more than 1.12.4 20160526 05:53:54< shadowm> 20151109 03:32:20< mattsc> ancestral: The download was much faster than I expected and it all seems to be working for me. Yay! 20160526 05:54:08< shadowm> Thus far it seems to be yours. 20160526 05:54:23< shadowm> 20151109 16:26:07< ancestral> shadowm: Mac package is up on SF.net 20160526 05:54:52< ancestral> Alright 20160526 05:55:18< ancestral> In which case, I can try one other thing. I’ll send a PM to SkyOne 20160526 05:55:37< ancestral> There are a couple of build parameters I can try my hand at 20160526 05:56:23< shadowm> Is vultraz still on hiatus? 20160526 05:56:36< shadowm> (Unrelated tangent.) 20160526 05:56:38< vultraz> Depends 20160526 05:56:43< vultraz> Mostly yes 20160526 05:56:48< shadowm> Okay then. 20160526 05:57:28< shadowm> I mean, by all means I shouldn't be asking this question since I've contributed nothing at all, but hasn't it been a while since the previous dev release? 20160526 05:57:39< shadowm> Then again, it seems things aren't in a very good shape right now. 20160526 05:57:52< ancestral> I’m going to fix the damn trailer by giving up on Keynote and using an actual video editor 20160526 05:57:54< ancestral> That being said 20160526 05:58:24< ancestral> I did just get a message from someone offering help 20160526 05:58:25< vultraz> shadowm: too many bugs 20160526 05:58:31< shadowm> Okay, amendment: I only contributed a couple of meager patches forward ported from 1.12. 20160526 05:58:50< vultraz> shadowm: before the next dev release, I really want Aginor's work finished 20160526 05:58:59< vultraz> However, HE is now on hiatus due to health issues 20160526 05:59:07< ancestral> :-( 20160526 05:59:24< shadowm> Yeah but I don't think Aginor's going to fix the descenders mangling issue or the various WML engine bugs afflicting master right now. 20160526 05:59:46< shadowm> So let's not make it seem like we're somehow waiting on him because that's not the case. 20160526 06:00:58< shadowm> ancestral: I haven't checked the newest version of the trailer yet but it seemed like you wanted a narrator? 20160526 06:01:26< ancestral> The latest version is shit 20160526 06:01:33< ancestral> But I know how to fix it nicely 20160526 06:01:41< ancestral> Also, what? Narrator? 20160526 06:02:03< ancestral> I never said that 20160526 06:02:37< shadowm> Oh! 20160526 06:02:48< shadowm> Someone quoted nuorc as if it was your words, never mind then. 20160526 06:03:42< ancestral> Honestly, any attempt at voice narration would probably fail miserably, unless somehow I am sorely a poor judge of the talent of our developers and community in this subject 20160526 06:04:33< ancestral> Some guy in front of a cheap mic, or someone with a good mic but who doesn’t know how to voice act, etc. 20160526 06:05:18< shadowm> Yeah I replied. 20160526 06:05:23< ancestral> (I feel like if we were good at it, we would have already had voice narration in some scenarios, mainline or UMC by this point) 20160526 06:05:39< shadowm> I mean... 20160526 06:06:17< shadowm> Historically, most of our devs after 1.0 haven't been content producers, save some exceptions that have become increasingly common over the past three years. 20160526 06:06:24< ancestral> Anyway, I do want to fix the trailer, and then consult this guy I got a PM from 20160526 06:06:39< shadowm> Secondly, almost all of our good content producers aren't decent English speakers. 20160526 06:07:54< ancestral> That and dialogue is subject to change much more frequently than other aspects of the game 20160526 06:08:17< ancestral> If the text in the intro changed, if there was voice narration for the intro, it may have to be re-done 20160526 06:08:59< ancestral> If there was voice narration for a scenario level, how weird would it be if all scenes except for a few that were changed/added later didn’t have it 20160526 06:09:25< shadowm> And more importantly, acting is hard. That's why there are professional schools dedicated to the stuff. :V 20160526 06:10:05< shadowm> And "enhancing" cheesy prose with cheesy acting would yield... suboptimal results. 20160526 06:10:21-!- Greg-Boggs [~greg_bogg@173.240.241.83] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20160526 06:10:45< shadowm> (Because let's face it all of our prose is cheesy and over-the-top. We've more or less embraced that as a fact of life, but it'd not do us much good to draw even more attention to it.) 20160526 06:10:47-!- atarocch [~atarocch@natmobil.sfa.se] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20160526 06:14:50-!- Greg-Boggs [~greg_bogg@173.240.241.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20160526 06:21:38 * ancestral imagines Konrad being voiced in a super whiny annoying high pitched boy sound 20160526 06:22:20< ancestral> As shuddering as that would feel, it’s probably closer to accurate on how one would approach him 20160526 06:23:27< Aginor> I'll be back properly in a week or so 20160526 06:23:38< vultraz> All our storytext should be voiced by Morgan Freeman 20160526 06:23:54< Aginor> and I apologise for being slow about tying up my branch, I got a bit demotivated by having my work plowed over twice 20160526 06:24:06< vultraz> Or perhaps Liam Neeson 20160526 06:24:09< ancestral> We have all been dealing with setbacks 20160526 06:24:14< ancestral> vultraz: Heh 20160526 06:24:32< ancestral> Wait, have the two been in a movie together? 20160526 06:24:35< Aginor> and yes, I will not be fixing any of the WML messiness at the moment 20160526 06:25:10< vultraz> ancestral: dunno 20160526 06:25:13< ancestral> Oh Batman Begins. Of course. 20160526 06:25:24 * Aginor disappears again 20160526 06:25:53< vultraz> ah yes 20160526 06:26:45< shadowm> Aginor: I wouldn't ask you to do so either, it'd be like asking a software engineer to mop the floor to clean the head of marketing's coffee spill. 20160526 06:26:59-!- Nobun [~nobun@5.170.109.148] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20160526 06:27:09< shadowm> I was merely making a point to vultraz. 20160526 06:44:36-!- mjs-de [~mjs-de@x4db6d888.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20160526 06:54:42-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20160526 07:01:01-!- ChipmunkV [~vova@d0017-2-88-172-31-68.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: ChipmunkV] 20160526 07:29:56-!- ChipmunkV [~vova@d0017-2-88-172-31-68.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20160526 07:37:41-!- Kwandulin [~Miranda@p200300760F3949E4059FB5ADB1A594D5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20160526 07:40:10-!- boucman_work [~boucman@247.37.0.109.rev.sfr.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20160526 07:58:39-!- Greg-Boggs [~greg_bogg@173.240.241.83] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20160526 08:03:28-!- Greg-Boggs [~greg_bogg@173.240.241.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20160526 08:16:40-!- Nobun [~nobun@5.170.109.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20160526 08:33:36-!- horrowind [~Icedove@2a02:810a:83c0:1c18:21b:fcff:fee3:c3ff] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20160526 08:38:03-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20160526 08:38:08-!- noy_ [~Noy@S01067cb21b205894.vs.shawcable.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20160526 08:38:09-!- noy_ [~Noy@S01067cb21b205894.vs.shawcable.net] has quit [Changing host] 20160526 08:38:09-!- noy_ [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20160526 08:42:37-!- LovCAPONE [~lovens@modemcable184.138-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20160526 08:45:51-!- ancestral [~ancestral@67-4-254-184.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: i go nstuf kthxbai] 20160526 09:12:14-!- LovCAPONE [~lovens@modemcable018.107-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20160526 09:21:20-!- aidanhs [~aidanhs@2a00:d880:6:1ad::8e27] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20160526 09:21:37-!- noy_ [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20160526 09:21:55-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20160526 09:25:22-!- aidanhs [~aidanhs@2a00:d880:6:1ad::8e27] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20160526 09:26:27< shadowm> loonycyborg: Have you heard back from the scons dev yet? 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Morelle wesnoth:master bd69cb2ed32d / src/gui/dialogs/unit_recruit.cpp: gui2/tunit_recruit: Fix unit gold check (bug #24701) https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/bd69cb2ed32dc91a4264e0c9be5b7ff02650c88f 20160526 21:27:51-!- ancestral [~ancestral@109.sub-70-197-193.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: i go nstuf kthxbai] 20160526 21:29:40-!- iceiceice [~chris@wesnoth/developer/iceiceice] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20160526 22:12:24-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@KD036012035127.au-net.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20160526 22:18:36-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20160526 22:33:05-!- Greg-Boggs [~greg_bogg@173.240.241.83] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20160526 22:36:57-!- Greg-Boggs [~greg_bogg@173.240.241.83] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20160526 23:04:56-!- ChipmunkV [~vova@d0017-2-88-172-31-68.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: ChipmunkV] 20160526 23:10:02-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20160526 23:16:22-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@KD036012044183.au-net.ne.jp] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20160526 23:36:18-!- Greg-Bog_ [~greg_bogg@173.240.241.83] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20160526 23:38:47-!- atarocch [~atarocch@88.131.19.70] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20160526 23:40:11-!- Greg-Boggs [~greg_bogg@173.240.241.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20160526 23:40:46-!- Greg-Bog_ [~greg_bogg@173.240.241.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20160526 23:45:49-!- louis94 [~~louis94@91.178.241.33] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20160526 23:48:42-!- esr [~esr@wesnoth/developer/esr] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.3] 20160526 23:53:54-!- Greg-Boggs [~greg_bogg@173.240.241.83] has joined #wesnoth-dev --- Log closed Fri May 27 00:00:12 2016