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20160624 08:38:04< DeFender> Is it legal to have a macro which takes as a parameter the name of another macro and calls it? (Example: http://paste.nachsoftware.com/DeFender1031/SCXTga78dc9b78734df278785576cf0a714945js ) More to the point, this currently works in 1.12, but my question is whether that's by design and guaranteed to continue working, or whether it's by some quirk of the current implementation of the preprocessor and that in some future version, 
20160624 08:38:05< DeFender> instead of calling "A" or "B" as a macro, it could just a easily end up trying to look for a macro called "{MACRO}"
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20160624 08:42:50< zookeeper> i'm pretty sure it is
20160624 08:43:16< DeFender> hmm... it looks like there actually is ONE use of this case in core: core/terrain-graphics/builder.cfg:{{BUILDER} {IMAGESTEM} {POSTFIX}}#enddef
20160624 08:43:17< zookeeper> some of the core terrain graphics macros rely on that behavior
20160624 08:43:21< zookeeper> yep
20160624 08:43:22< DeFender> yeah
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20160624 08:44:26< DeFender> it appears to be the only macro in core like it, but there are many uses of the one macro.
20160624 08:44:37< DeFender> so then i can rely on that behavior. Great.
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20160624 08:51:32< DeFender> zookeeper, and i suppose that if that's meant to keep working that there's no reason why appending something rather than passing the full macro name shouldn't work too, right? (Example: http://paste.nachsoftware.com/DeFender1031/BVnnFs96559cccc72c9f1d31d576cf46bcc999Cs )
20160624 08:52:41< zookeeper> seems similar enough to me to rely on
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20160624 09:03:12< DeFender> i would think so too, but i've also seen some strange parser errors in my time. Then again, i've been spending a lot of time coding in php in the last 6 years so...
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20160624 09:17:29< zookeeper> the preprocessor hardly ever changes and is the cornerstone of WML anyway, so the chances of anyone making compatibility-breaking changes to its behavior are rather low.
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20160624 09:18:25< zookeeper> i mean, it does occasionally get those nice little new additions like the version check and such, but thankfully nothing ever really gets removed
20160624 09:20:15< DeFender> that's good.
20160624 09:21:27< DeFender> i mean, if a module of the code is complete and does what it needs to, then there's no reason to mess with it. Even if someone decides that the architecture is better structured somehow differently, that shouldn't affect the code's logic itself.
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20160624 13:22:01< DeFender> is there a way to add an event to a unittype such that it fires automatically whenever a unit of that type appears in a scenario rather than setting it up for some future trigger? (Come to think of it, why is [event] the only action tag allowed in a unit type... why isn't it just "any action wml in the unit type tag will be run the first time the unit appears"?) Alternately, is there a way to set up that a menu item appears whenever 
20160624 13:22:03< DeFender> a unit of that time is added to the scenario (similar to how unit type events work)?
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20160624 13:32:57< celticminstrel> I wonder if the new unit_placed event would do that.
20160624 13:33:07< celticminstrel> But no, in 1.12 I'm pretty sure there's no way to do that.
20160624 13:33:33< DeFender> celticminstrel, you could certanly set it up with a filter on type to do so, but A: that's clunkier than it ought to be and B: 1.12
20160624 13:34:03< DeFender> okay, so then i'm stuck including a preload event in all my scenarios to set it up. not the end of the world.
20160624 13:34:05< celticminstrel> What I was wondering is if it would work when placed in the unit_type.
20160624 13:34:16< DeFender> ohhhhhhhhhh
20160624 13:34:24< celticminstrel> Why preload? You rarely need preload.
20160624 13:34:30< DeFender> er
20160624 13:34:31< DeFender> prestart
20160624 13:34:34< DeFender> i meant prestart
20160624 13:35:00< DeFender> and yeah, i do wonder whether the event handling is set up before the event for the unit being placed.
20160624 13:35:10< DeFender> (or advanced, recruited, recalled, etc.)
20160624 13:35:28< DeFender> preload is pretty much only for lua.
20160624 13:35:33< DeFender> prestart is what i meant.
20160624 13:36:13< celticminstrel> [event] isn't really an action tag.
20160624 13:36:24< celticminstrel> It's more like an action container.
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20160624 13:44:37< DeFender> true, but on the other hand, it's allowed in any context where an action tag is and means "set up this event from now on"
20160624 13:44:58< DeFender> okay, another question, what resolution image is expected by the image for set_menu_item?
20160624 13:45:31< DeFender> I had assumed that it would scale whatever image I used, but it seems to instead just increase the size of not only that menu item, but ALL of them.
20160624 13:45:54< DeFender> so i'd like to know the proper resolution expected so that it doesn't do that
20160624 13:47:49< celticminstrel> I have no idea, maybe 16x16 or something?
20160624 13:48:00< celticminstrel> How big are the ones for default items?
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20160624 13:55:19< DeFender> no idea
20160624 13:55:31< DeFender> default items don't have images
20160624 13:55:41< DeFender> the default image is a little star thing
20160624 13:55:53< DeFender> and i'm not sure where the actual file for that is
20160624 13:55:55< celticminstrel> I thought some default ones did. Like undo.
20160624 13:56:05< DeFender> 16x16 does sound right though.
20160624 14:01:11< zookeeper> images/buttons/WML-custom.png, 18x18
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20160624 14:02:13< DeFender> zookeeper, thanks.
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20160624 23:32:34< ALdbeign> Greetings, is this channel active?
20160624 23:34:29< celticminstrel> A little.
20160624 23:37:14< ALdbeign> how would i email the forum admins without having an account, would you know?
20160624 23:37:37< ALdbeign> i have an ancient account i am trying to reset the password on
20160624 23:37:48< celticminstrel> You can probably poke shadowm here.
20160624 23:38:10< celticminstrel> Or maybe someone else.
20160624 23:38:14< ALdbeign> thanks :)
20160624 23:38:26 * ALdbeign pokes shadowm
20160624 23:38:43< shadowm> forums@wesnoth.org, but you can also use `/query shadowm` here to start a private conversation with me.
20160624 23:39:05< celticminstrel> I wouldn't've expected forums@wesnoth.org to have a mailbox.
20160624 23:39:18< shadowm> Why?
20160624 23:39:33< celticminstrel> I'm not sure.
20160624 23:39:43< celticminstrel> Notification type stuff often doesn't though?
20160624 23:39:44< shadowm> It's pretty standard for a web-based service to have a support address.
20160624 23:39:47< ALdbeign> yeah, i didnt see a mailbox, found irc...hence im here
20160624 23:40:02< ALdbeign> i fured it existed but couldnt find it
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