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20160705 17:37:06< gfgtdf> i wonder whether its possible to change all mainline units ids to use underscores instead of spaces, so that they could for example be used in variable keys, adding a backwards compability for the main cases shouldn't be too hard but even those should be removed at some point and even if we give a whole stable release with backwards compability path it might still break some addons later.
20160705 17:37:57< vultraz> why would you need compatibility for unit ids?
20160705 17:38:07< vultraz> unless you mean the core, and not the campaigns?
20160705 17:38:21< gfgtdf> vultraz: i mena the code
20160705 17:38:23< gfgtdf> core
20160705 17:38:31< zookeeper> no no no no no
20160705 17:41:11< zookeeper> i mean... obviously not, that's a terrible idea
20160705 17:44:03< zookeeper> if you feel the need to use id's in variable names or something, then i'd suggest an addition to for example [set_variable] that lets you replace characters in strings
20160705 17:44:37< zookeeper> then you could just convert spaces to underscores and vice versa if/when you need to
20160705 17:46:54< gfgtdf> zookeeper: hmm vice versa doesnt work, since you wont know whether teh original id contained an underscore or a space.
20160705 17:47:11< zookeeper> true
20160705 17:47:52< zookeeper> of course any regular id wouldn't have underscores, but there could be add-on prefixes and such...
20160705 17:48:41< gfgtdf> zookeeper: also i think its quite possible that even mainline has probme with things liek ' in unit ids since it does use the units ids as variables keys in the [statics] par of savefiles
20160705 17:49:22< gfgtdf> zookeeper: note that is is possible to have spaces in wml variable keys, its just hard tpo acess them with &id
20160705 17:49:40< gfgtdf> part*, to*
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20160705 17:50:53< zookeeper> i know i knew something about the statistics bit, once
20160705 17:51:44< celticminstrel> gfgtdf: Why do you need/want something like this?
20160705 17:51:54< celticminstrel> Do you have a use-case?
20160705 17:52:42< celticminstrel> Also, I'm pretty sure it's not possible to have spaces in WML variable keys. I even remember putting in a warning if you try to do this/
20160705 17:52:45< celticminstrel> ^.
20160705 17:52:57< Ravana_> for me most important reason for going for no-space internal stuff was to be able to select exact thing with doubleclick
20160705 17:53:10< celticminstrel> ?
20160705 17:53:27< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: i can clearly see the spaces in the savefile in [statsitics] part
20160705 17:53:47< celticminstrel> In 1.13?
20160705 17:54:19< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: for me i currently don't need it, speciall since it usually use lua for everythinf, so in the worrst case i can always fallback for lua seirilisation and non't eed to care about wml variable name limitations.
20160705 17:54:43< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: in 1.12, not sure how it behaves in 1.13
20160705 17:54:46< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: will test
20160705 17:54:48< celticminstrel> The issue of spaces in [statistics] could be solved by reversing it.
20160705 17:55:02< celticminstrel> So, instead of "Elvish Hunter=5" you have "5=Elvish Hunter".
20160705 17:55:35< celticminstrel> And if you previously had "Elvish Hunter=5" and "Orcish Archer=5" it would become "5=Elvish Hunter,Orcish Archer".
20160705 17:58:24< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: i still see the spaces in 1.13
20160705 17:58:54< celticminstrel> That's weird.
20160705 17:59:00< celticminstrel> Do they also load correctly?
20160705 17:59:06< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: yes they do
20160705 17:59:19< celticminstrel> Hmm, well, I still think the reversal I just mentioned is a good idea.
20160705 17:59:31< celticminstrel> Because unit IDs can contain pretty much anything, really.
20160705 17:59:45< celticminstrel> I guess the only problem would be if they contained commas.
20160705 18:01:10< celticminstrel> Stupid XCode, stop detecting my iPhone.
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20160705 18:02:34< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: i think the config read function doesnt check for valid ids, 
20160705 18:03:51< celticminstrel> The check I remember adding was at the save stage, I think.
20160705 18:04:41< gfgtdf> zookeeper: hmm then i at lest propose to limit the valid ids to seimthing like 'valud attribute values and spaces', mainly to prevent things like ' and " which seen to can casue more problems than spaces. 
20160705 18:05:33< zookeeper> well are there any in mainline?
20160705 18:07:54< gfgtdf> zookeeper: don't think so, will can still add pther chacters later when we see them.
20160705 18:10:37< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: any reason not to merge #681 ?
20160705 18:10:42< celticminstrel> Is this really an issue in places other than [statistics]?
20160705 18:10:50< celticminstrel> What's #681 again?
20160705 18:11:02< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/pull/681
20160705 18:11:16< celticminstrel> No, I was asking for a description since Firefox is being super-slow right now.
20160705 18:11:39< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: update mainline conrtent for message -> label change in message
20160705 18:12:15< celticminstrel> Oh, I don't know any reason not to merge it. I didn't actually review the diff, mind you, but if someone else did, it should be fine.
20160705 18:12:46< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: hes basically just replacing all message= with label= in [option]
20160705 18:13:07< celticminstrel> I'm pretty sure that's the right thing to do.
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20160705 18:15:05< irker823> wesnoth: Gregory A Lundberg wesnoth:master 010f943a40a7 / data/ (45 files in 16 dirs): [option]message= deprecated, use label= https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/010f943a40a7c44824f337bb2aa17656ad1e3651
20160705 18:15:05< irker823> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master f5b6fbe94222 / data/ (45 files in 16 dirs): Merge pull request #681 from GregoryLundberg/GL_Option_Message_deprecated https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/f5b6fbe9422227c0cf4125285ef20aaa45af31f6
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20160705 20:49:27< vultraz> celticminstrel: any progress on spiritpo?
20160705 20:52:02< celticminstrel> Not much. Iceiceice's suggestions didn't help much with speed, so I intend to go back to something threaded.
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