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20160706 05:10:28< tad_> I'm running though Delfador's Memoirs checking and fixing and I'm getting a dump of a lot of WML to stderr after victory on S12 or on initial load of S13. Any idea what I should look for which causes WML to be written to stderr?
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20160706 05:36:33< tad_> Found it. It's the designer being 
20160706 05:37:39< tad_> 'cute' .. the engine does not complain if I replace Kalenz with Delfador .. so it's something in the switching sides. *eyeroll* now to figure out if it's fixable ...
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20160706 11:33:57< Nobun> this is out of topic here, but since no active discussion at the moment, I will try to ask, hoping I'm not troubling anyone. Anyone here have some time to spent to explain me how embedding lua on c application work?
20160706 11:34:20< Nobun> I'd like to understand, but I found the reference manual VERY poor of informations
20160706 11:34:48< Nobun> (I tried to ask on #lua chan, but no useful reply found)
20160706 11:36:04< loonycyborg> I have no idea, I prefer python :P
20160706 11:48:19< Nobun> lol you are right
20160706 11:48:33< Nobun> but embedding python exposes to a lot of problems :P
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20160706 12:36:15< JyrkiVesterinen> Nobun: have you seen the chapter in "Programming in Lua" about the C interop?
20160706 12:36:16< JyrkiVesterinen> http://www.lua.org/pil/contents.html#24
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20160706 12:39:15< Nobun> JyrkiVesterinen: now reading...
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20160706 12:45:26< Nobun> Yes... the Programming in Lua book.... it is good, but something is not completely clear, expecially in the part where I should understand how to expose a table with function wich calls C code... so lua could be invoked from C, and then lua callback C with the exposed function
20160706 12:45:46< Nobun> however thank you for your time :)
20160706 12:48:23< JyrkiVesterinen> You can register a Lua function (and push it to the stack) with the lua_pushcfunction() function in the C API.
20160706 12:48:50< JyrkiVesterinen> After that, you can use the C API to add the function to a table.
20160706 12:49:44< Nobun> the idea is to have something similar to wesnoth.function where all encoded function have one (or more) main table to distinguish from non-application function
20160706 12:51:51< JyrkiVesterinen> Then it's probably easiest to use a global table for that purpose. A global table can be put to the stack with a single lua_getglobal() call from the C code.
20160706 12:52:23< JyrkiVesterinen> Nevertheless, the Lua C API is definitely awkward to use. It's a very low-level API, not far from machine code.
20160706 12:52:36< Nobun> yeah
20160706 12:54:07< Nobun> I tried with python instead of lua, but it has some issues related to releasing an application if, for any reason, I will consider a closed-source application
20160706 12:55:10< Nobun> unlike python, lua can static linked on linux, wich can solve some issues related to releasing applications
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20160706 12:56:30< gfgtdf> the main reason why we use lua instead of python was iirc for security reasons, since we hav no control over addons content.
20160706 12:57:46< Nobun> gfgtdf: good point
20160706 12:58:13< Nobun> however I can say that embedding python has some issues that are pain to deal of :P
20160706 12:58:13< loonycyborg> I don't think it's a good enough reason though
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20160706 13:01:06< Nobun> loonycyborg: if you are interested... some days ago I wrote a simple exception manager similar to the boost one (more limited, but it does its job)
20160706 13:01:27< Soliton> having a game not take over your system seems like a fine reason.
20160706 13:02:18< loonycyborg> using python implies addons should be as trustable as wesnoth itself
20160706 13:02:38< loonycyborg> or maybe there are already some sandboxing packages for python
20160706 13:02:45< loonycyborg> that would resolve this issue
20160706 13:02:53< vultraz> why says addons are as trustworthy as wesnoth itself?
20160706 13:02:54< Soliton> thirdparty addons imply that they're not trustable.
20160706 13:04:12< loonycyborg> nonetheless I kinda don't like lua, it's one of reasons I didn't get around to making scenarios/campaigns for wesnoth
20160706 13:04:31< loonycyborg> but I still can help with C++ so whatever
20160706 13:05:02< loonycyborg> Nobun: what exactly exception manager does?
20160706 13:05:33< JyrkiVesterinen> Nobun: the way to register a C function to Lua is something like this: https://gist.github.com/jyrkive/bdcd77001a65d4d4fe276cc200574f86
20160706 13:05:37< Nobun> nothing special, actually... it helps me on managing embedding python for the current opensource embedding python project I developing
20160706 13:05:50< Nobun> (thank, JyrkiVesterinen)
20160706 13:06:14< Nobun> loonycyborg: what it does is allowing you to do this:
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20160706 13:10:03< Nobun1> loonycyborg:   try { nobun::python3::run_function("module_name", "function_name", PyObject * args); } except (nobun::python3::error_happen) {  message = nobun::python3::tracerr("module_name"); }
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20160706 13:10:38< Nobun1> where message is the traceback message, with bootstrap (useless) traceback infos stripped out
20160706 13:11:11< Nobun1> but unlike boot you must remember to decref manually run_function when you don't need that function anymore
20160706 13:11:23< Nobun1> with nobun::python3::decref_run_function()
20160706 13:12:06< Nobun1> in this moment this is the only actual use case of my exception manager
20160706 13:13:36< Nobun1> (I always run python code launching a function in a python file, passing the parameter values required by that python function)
20160706 13:14:09< celticminstrel> ...why is everything in a nobun namespace.
20160706 13:14:10< Nobun1> however this exception manager save me a lot of pain on managing decref management on error case
20160706 13:14:49< Nobun1> lol... becouse I written by me as experiment... it has not a name, and to avoid possible name conflicts
20160706 13:15:14< Nobun1> also the includes mention my nickname, until I don't find a suitable name :P
20160706 13:15:39< Nobun1> however, as the second namespace implies, it works only on python 3 and not on python 2
20160706 13:19:44< Nobun1> celticminstrel: however if you have a name to suggest for this little wrapper I will change the nobun main namespace with a more cool namespace :P
20160706 13:27:51< celticminstrel> Shrug.
20160706 13:29:29< Nobun1> Shrug? I don't know what it means :P
20160706 13:30:06< loonycyborg> Nobun1: maybe consider submitting it to boost
20160706 13:30:27< loonycyborg> boost.python's maintainer, Stefan Seefeld, seems to be active nowadays
20160706 13:30:47< Nobun1> loonycyborg: I think it is nothing that could be added on boost::python
20160706 13:30:56< Nobun1> boost::python is more powerful
20160706 13:31:06< Nobun1> my code is less ambitious
20160706 13:31:18< loonycyborg> at least better handling of exceptions than error_already_set is on their TODO list
20160706 13:31:22< Nobun1> I developed it becouse I had problems on linking boost::python
20160706 13:31:57< loonycyborg> there is other alternative to boost.python
20160706 13:32:16< Nobun1> loonycyborg: I thank you for your appreciatement, but I know my limit... I am not enough skilled to write something that could be added on boost
20160706 13:32:26< loonycyborg> https://github.com/pybind/pybind11
20160706 13:33:27< loonycyborg> infact it's even header only
20160706 13:33:39< loonycyborg> so there's no way you could have problems linking to it
20160706 13:40:17< Nobun1> loonycyborg: you mean pybind?
20160706 13:40:22< loonycyborg> yes
20160706 13:41:19< loonycyborg> you could try using that if boost.python doesn't work for you
20160706 13:42:10< Nobun1> well, my exception manager is enough right now... but I will consider it
20160706 13:43:15< Nobun1> however for a closed source application (wich is tied to a specify python version) the python embedding can be a problem when coming to release a linux version of the application
20160706 13:43:58< Nobun1> on windows the problem is easily solved... on linux... probably you should compile and link different version of application with different python versions
20160706 13:44:16< Nobun1> wich is a mess
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20160706 13:44:57< Nobun1> (not a problem for the current project - wich is opensource - but can be for the next one - wich can be closed source - so why I'm also documenting on lua)
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20160706 22:28:00< bumbadadabum> ok
20160706 22:28:01< bumbadadabum> hi
20160706 22:28:03< bumbadadabum> I'm back?
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20160706 22:31:34< bumbadadabum> zookeeper: vultraz is trying to brief me but he mentioned you bitched a bit about me leaving EI unfinished and leaving stuff in
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20160706 22:31:46< bumbadadabum> I'm kinda sorry for that I just got frustrated and fed up halfway through
20160706 22:32:05< zookeeper> i did about something, might have been EI
20160706 22:32:47< zookeeper> mind looking into some of it? :>
20160706 22:33:14< bumbadadabum> well, yes of course
20160706 22:33:44< bumbadadabum> zookeeper: idk I can't really read up on years of bitching
20160706 22:33:48< bumbadadabum> well, like 1.5 years
20160706 22:33:49< bumbadadabum> but still
20160706 22:34:12< zookeeper> no i meant look into some of the things that still need fixing :p
20160706 22:34:27< bumbadadabum> well, everything past the ogres needs to be revamped still
20160706 22:34:45< zookeeper> the crossing scenarios have some bizarre carryover percentage stuff
20160706 22:34:53< zookeeper> IIRC the commit messages didn't even say anything about it
20160706 22:34:56< bumbadadabum> yeah I didn't get to balancing those yet
20160706 22:35:06< bumbadadabum> I just did... weird stuff
20160706 22:35:28< bumbadadabum> I think when I did this stuff was broken due to the SP/MP unification
20160706 22:37:58< bumbadadabum> zookeeper: anyway, if you can remember any obvious flaws, do tell me
20160706 22:38:12< bumbadadabum> I need to wait for 5 years to clone and compile the game anyway
20160706 22:39:18< zookeeper> aside from the weird carryover_percentages, i already fixed a few other things which you'll see in the commit log
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20160706 22:40:52< zookeeper> so unless i forgot to write something down, i don't think there was anything else in EI i was aware of
20160706 22:41:12< celmin> Heh, 5 years.
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20160706 22:45:47< zookeeper> bumbadadabum, oh, and check the dark sorcerer's shadow wave animation. i couldn't make sense of what it was supposed to look like, and it looked weird enough that it's probably buggy.
20160706 22:46:11 * zookeeper falls asleep
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20160706 23:02:33< bumbadadabum> ok ty
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