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20160704 21:27:46< DeFender1031> Just came back from seeing the warcraft movie. Given the similarities, I figured you guys might be interested.
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20160704 22:03:22< DeFender1031> or maybe not...
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20160704 22:23:24< loonycyborg> warcraft is totally different genre :P
20160704 22:25:23< zookeeper> i'm pretty sure i'd loathe it if i saw it :p
20160704 22:39:06< DeFender1031> loonycyborg, are you being sarcastic, or is there some distinction i'm totally missing here?
20160704 22:39:23< DeFender1031> zookeeper, you know the rule: Video game movies are never good.
20160704 22:40:06< loonycyborg> yeah, totally different gameplay than in both warcraft RTS and warcraft mmorpg
20160704 22:42:55< DeFender1031> oh, you mean genre of game, not genre of story.
20160704 22:43:09< DeFender1031> because the themes are pretty dang similar.
20160704 22:43:24< DeFender1031> and a TBS isn't that different from an RTS...
20160704 22:46:05< zookeeper> DeFender1031, yeah, sadly. because nothing would prevent them from being good.
20160704 22:46:12< loonycyborg> afaict wesnoth is more tolkien influenced while warcraft RTS is a lot grittier :P
20160704 22:46:17< zookeeper> my tolerance for cliche stories and cheap carbon copy fantasy is quite a bit lower in movies than in games, too :p
20160704 22:46:32< loonycyborg> and from what I gather mmorpg's plot is total trainwreck
20160704 22:46:45< DeFender1031> zookeeper, I actually have a long, drawn-out theory as to WHY they keep not being good, and what the industry would need to do to make a good video game movie.
20160704 22:48:28< DeFender1031> loonycyborg, i have no intrest in the MMO. As for the rest, I actually noticed that some of the factions in wesnoth and their backstories are far more similar to warcraft's than to tolkiens. For example, the orcs, while they have some dealings with the dark power, were not wholly controlled or created by it, and are in fact more tribal in nature than anything else.
20160704 22:48:55< zookeeper> "make a good movie, not a cheap dumb fanservice romp"
20160704 22:49:04< zookeeper> seems pretty straightforward to me :p
20160704 22:50:18< DeFender1031> zookeeper, more than that. it has to do with pacing, and not trying to shove the entire plot of a game and all of its character development into 2 hours. Essentially, it says "do the subplots and character development as separate movies first, and then once viewers already know the context, you can do the game's main plot."
20160704 22:51:01< DeFender1031> That's actually the same realization the industry came to about comic book movies.
20160704 22:51:33< DeFender1031> Separate iron man, captain america, etc. movies, then they bring it all together in the avengers.
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20160704 22:54:38< zookeeper> more than that? i thought i was being all-encompassing :p
20160704 22:55:23< DeFender1031> more specific anyway.
20160704 22:55:24< zookeeper> but anyway of course you usually shouldn't adapt the actual plot of a game (if there is a complicated plot, that is)
20160704 22:56:08< zookeeper> or even characters, in some cases
20160704 22:56:23< DeFender1031> actually, i don't think it'd be a problem for them to make a movie which adapts the actual plot of a game. It should just be done as a sequel to other movies which have already built the necessary context
20160704 22:56:59< zookeeper> for some adaptations you can just use the setting, for some the setting and a character, for some the setting and a plot but no characters, etc
20160704 22:57:24< zookeeper> like, a fallout movie shouldn't adapt any characters, only the setting
20160704 22:57:31< DeFender1031> (and yes, obviously we're only talking about those with complex plots. Trying to make movies out of games which have very little story and character development and are more about gameplay leads to the hilarious awfulness that was them trying to somehow create a cohesive plotline and motivations for the Super Run-to-the-right-and-jumpio Bros.)
20160704 22:57:50< zookeeper> whereas a metroid game should adapt the setting and samus, but some metroid-related plot only very very loosely
20160704 22:58:10< DeFender1031> well, notice your key point there "*a* plot". Not "all the plots".
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20160704 22:58:54< zookeeper> anyways, i was actually going to bed when all this started ->
20160704 22:59:06< zookeeper> i'll read the logs later, just in case
20160704 22:59:08< DeFender1031> i should be too
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20160704 23:48:40< celticminstrel> Or you could do a TV series instead of a movie. More stuff can be fit in then.
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