--- Log opened Sat Jul 16 00:00:24 2016
20160716 00:00:48< Jfault> I have an idea
20160716 00:00:58< Jfault> make the campaigns and all their textures seperate
20160716 00:01:05< Jfault> so I don't have to download them all
20160716 00:01:05< Jfault> haha
20160716 00:01:45< celticminstrel> I think making the campaigns separate was one of the things discussed.
20160716 00:02:11< Jfault> i don't really play for the campaigns anyways
20160716 00:02:11< celticminstrel> They only come to around 100MB though.
20160716 00:02:22< Jfault> oh really? even with textures and whatnot?
20160716 00:02:24< celticminstrel> The multiplayer dir could also be separate.
20160716 00:02:25< celticminstrel> Yeah.
20160716 00:02:36< celticminstrel> I think that's decimal megabytes, by the way.
20160716 00:02:42< celticminstrel> (Rather than MiB)
20160716 00:03:10< Jfault> how large the attic/?
20160716 00:03:15< Jfault> that seems to be the unused files
20160716 00:03:38< celticminstrel> The multiplayer dir is only around 1MB though, so making it separate would be pointless even though it's more logical than some options.
20160716 00:03:44< celticminstrel> Attic is unused stuff, yes.
20160716 00:03:59< celticminstrel> Looks like it's about 5.6MB.
20160716 00:04:31< Jfault> what about doc/?
20160716 00:04:33< celticminstrel> ...apparently the entire data dir isn't much more than 300MB.
20160716 00:04:45< celticminstrel> Doc is similar in size to attic. A bit bigger actually, I think.
20160716 00:05:06< Jfault> so where is the stuff coming from?
20160716 00:05:07< celticminstrel> po is close to 300MB.
20160716 00:05:10< Jfault> ah
20160716 00:05:28< Jfault> perhaps move translations somewhere else?
20160716 00:05:29< celticminstrel> ...
20160716 00:05:39< celticminstrel> projectfiles is almost 950MB o.o
20160716 00:05:53< Jfault> ok
20160716 00:05:59< Jfault> that should be removed else haha
20160716 00:06:11< celticminstrel> Some stuff under projectfiles is essential, though.
20160716 00:06:35< celticminstrel> But only a few files.
20160716 00:06:46< Jfault> i thought most of it was like... project files
20160716 00:06:54< celticminstrel> Hmm.
20160716 00:06:55< Jfault> how large is src/
20160716 00:06:56< Jfault> ?
20160716 00:07:34< celticminstrel> ...wait a sec, I just remembered that I have a lot of untracked lib files there. So the actual repo size of projectfiles is probably a lot less.
20160716 00:07:56< Jfault> ah ok
20160716 00:08:55< celticminstrel> 7.1MB
20160716 00:09:02< celticminstrel> Much saner.
20160716 00:09:04< Jfault> try running this: git ls-files | xargs ls -l | sort -nrk5 | head -n 25
20160716 00:09:26< celticminstrel> Whoa.
20160716 00:09:32< Jfault> (I hope my unix skills are on point today, lol)
20160716 00:09:40< Jfault> not sure if I used xargs and sort correct
20160716 00:10:38< Jfault> what did it return?
20160716 00:10:42< celticminstrel> I get some error messages and a list of music files.
20160716 00:11:05< celticminstrel> The error messages might result from files with spaces in their paths.
20160716 00:12:33< Jfault> ah
20160716 00:12:37< Jfault> put -0 after xargs
20160716 00:12:42< Jfault> if I remember correctly
20160716 00:12:45< Jfault> or was it -O?
20160716 00:13:09< celticminstrel> The errors appear to reference the Mac-only sources and the Growl registration file.
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20160716 00:13:58< celticminstrel> Which are not large files, so I'm guessing it wouldn't change the result.
20160716 00:14:32< Jfault> du -k . | sort -n -r | head -n 10 ?
20160716 00:14:59< celticminstrel> That would include untracked files.
20160716 00:15:19< Jfault> o yeah..
20160716 00:15:48< celticminstrel> Though if I ignored projectfiles I suppose it might be okay...
20160716 00:16:20< Jfault> there has to be something in a 4 GB large directory for a game that doesn't seem that large
20160716 00:16:25< Jfault> if data is really only that small
20160716 00:17:55< celticminstrel> I think it is in fact mainly data and po.
20160716 00:18:03< celticminstrel> Especially data/core/music and data/core/images.
20160716 00:19:27< celticminstrel> Together they total around 650MB.
20160716 00:20:00< Jfault> so i guess there is just a ton of small directories?
20160716 00:20:29< celticminstrel> 650 is still less than a quarter though...
20160716 00:20:48< celticminstrel> Oh right, the .git directory.
20160716 00:21:06< celticminstrel> According to du it's 2516952
20160716 00:22:37< celticminstrel> 2.4GB with -h
20160716 00:22:56< celticminstrel> So yeah, over half of that 4GB is the repo's history.
20160716 00:23:22< celticminstrel> (Your value may vary from what I got, depending on branches.)
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20160716 00:44:07< celticminstrel> Basically, .git (the history), data, and po account for about three-quarters of the size...
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20160716 05:56:47< Nobun> is the server down now?
20160716 05:59:35< vultraz> DNS is down
20160716 06:13:15< Nobun> thank vultraz .)
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20160716 13:45:33< Jfault> I'm confused... is 1.12 or 1.13 the latest stable?
20160716 13:47:08< celmin|sleep> 1.12
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20160716 13:48:22< Jfault> ok
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20160716 17:41:32< celticminstrel> By the way DeFender1031, if you're correcting spelling on the wiki you should mark the edit as minor.
20160716 17:42:26< DeFender1031> Ah, yes, I should. I forget to because the other wikis I work on are pretty lax about that. Sorry.
20160716 17:43:50< celticminstrel> Well, it's not that big a deal.
20160716 17:43:56< celticminstrel> I just mentioned it because I happened to notice.
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20160716 17:45:00< DeFender1031> Thanks.
20160716 17:45:19< DeFender1031> Nah, I'm glad you did. I'd rather do things right.
20160716 17:45:45< DeFender1031> It always takes a little getting used to when you join a new community before you learn the sort of "unofficial rules"
20160716 17:50:04< celticminstrel> I think that's pretty much the point of the "minor edit" in the MediaWiki software.
20160716 17:50:30< celticminstrel> So I would find it quite weird to see a MW wiki that advocates not doing it.
20160716 17:53:26< DeFender1031> not "advocates not doing it", just "doesn't care"
20160716 17:54:12< celticminstrel> I got that, I wasn't thinking that what I said was the same as what you said.
20160716 17:54:23< DeFender1031> ah
20160716 17:55:00< DeFender1031> the truth is, the feature doesn't make much sense to me. Since anyone can mark an edit as minor, minor edits can still contain vandalism or other stuff that might not be correct.
20160716 17:55:10< celticminstrel> True.
20160716 17:55:22< celticminstrel> If used correctly, it's useful, though.
20160716 17:56:30< DeFender1031> true, though it'd be more useful if each user could configure a whitelist of users who they trust to make minor edits... or if only trusted users were granted the minor button in the first place.
20160716 17:56:49< DeFender1031> (since the whole point is to hide minor edits on RC)
20160716 17:57:04< DeFender1031> (but you don't want to hide edits pretending to be minor)
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20160716 17:57:56< celticminstrel> I wouldn't be surprised if MW does in fact have a way to do that.
20160716 18:00:29< DeFender1031> it probably does, but i've never seen it used.
20160716 18:02:04< DeFender1031> it also doesn't have the kinds of privelege advancement automation that one would expect... such as "automatically allow people to make minor edits after they have made 30 patrolled edits with no complaints or warnings from mods"
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20160716 18:31:56< celticminstrel> I thought that sort of thing was also possible in MW...
20160716 18:32:41< celticminstrel> Though only by editing the config file, so only the server admin could set it up. (Assuming I'm not remembering things that don't exist.)
20160716 18:33:18< celticminstrel> And I'm not sure if mods would have the power to file complaints to slow/prevent auto-promotion.
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