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20160728 16:02:01< rottekruid> Hello
20160728 16:02:08< celticminstrel> 'lo
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20160728 16:02:18< rottekruid> I want to know if it is possible to recruit units in a ruined castle?
20160728 16:02:25< celticminstrel> Yes.
20160728 16:02:32< celticminstrel> Provided there's a keep.
20160728 16:02:40< rottekruid> ...so any castle allows for recruiting units?
20160728 16:02:46< rottekruid> Ah, ok ty
20160728 16:03:00< celticminstrel> Any space that shows the little castle icon in the sidebar when you mouse over it.
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20160728 16:03:24< rottekruid> Thank you
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20160728 17:24:12< DeFender> celticminstrel, that's not true on a technical level though... you can create recruitable spaces which are not of terrain type "castle"
20160728 17:24:28< celticminstrel> Huh?
20160728 17:24:56< DeFender> oh, sorry, context. That was re. "Any space that shows the little castle icon in the sidebar when you mouse over it."
20160728 17:25:09< celticminstrel> I got the context.
20160728 17:25:42< DeFender> WML technically allows a content creator to make spaces that you can recruit onto but aren't aliases of... Cht i think is the base type
20160728 17:26:02< DeFender> and if the hex isn't terrain type castle, it won't have the castle icon in the sidebar
20160728 17:26:23< DeFender> I think the castle overlay may also not be of type castle.
20160728 17:27:03< DeFender> hang on, let me actually find the technical details to back up what i'm referring to instead of talking in the abstract
20160728 17:27:40< DeFender> https://wiki.wesnoth.org/TerrainWML recruit_onto. You can set this on any terrain type.
20160728 17:28:13< celticminstrel> Oh.
20160728 17:28:21< celticminstrel> Well, if you're doing that you should probably be shot.
20160728 17:28:52< celticminstrel> And the castle overlay absolutely should alias the base castle type that defines the icon.
20160728 17:30:46< aeth> There are also situations where there are castles, and you have a leader on a keep, but you cannot recruit because you don't have a recruit list
20160728 17:31:40< aeth> That's probably way more common than custom recruit_onto terrains since e.g. it's the concept behind most RPGs
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20160728 17:36:45< celticminstrel> That's a completely different thing though.
20160728 17:39:26< aeth> celticminstrel: It's not possible to recruit units on a ruined castle if you don't have a recruit list, though.
20160728 17:39:40< aeth> So it's completely different, but still a way that it's impossible.
20160728 17:41:27< celticminstrel> Not really.
20160728 17:41:55< celticminstrel> It's not possible to recruit anywhere if you don't have a recruit list, so it's not helpful to say you can't recruit on ruined castles in that case.
20160728 17:49:44< aeth> Not necessarily that simple, either, since the scenario can implement alternate recruiting schemes thanks to set_menu_item
20160728 17:49:55< aeth> (well, usually set_menu_item)
20160728 17:50:26< aeth> I think the best way to say it is "a ruined castle is just a castle, so if you can recruit somewhere you can recruit there"
20160728 17:50:36< aeth> because WML/Lua makes things complicated
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20160728 17:56:27< celticminstrel> I don't think you need to account for the possibilty of having no recruit list when describing where you can recruit from.
20160728 17:56:44< celticminstrel> It overcomplicates the explanation with a minor detail that most of the time is irrelevant.
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20160728 18:00:35< DeFender> celticminstrel, just checked. Castle Overlay is aliasof=_bas, hence NOT a castle. Also, merfolk villages are not village type either.
20160728 18:00:58< DeFender> (as another example of terrain type vs hex behavior)
20160728 18:00:58< celticminstrel> Ugh.
20160728 18:01:14< DeFender> if i'm not mistaken, this looks intentional
20160728 18:01:21< celticminstrel> Then maybe a separate set of icons is needed for behaviour.
20160728 18:01:51< DeFender> you don't want some hex which is impassable for a particular unit to suddenly be available just because "it's a village or castle now"
20160728 18:06:51< celticminstrel> ...wait, come to think of it, can heavy infantry enter a mountain village?
20160728 18:08:35< zookeeper> yes
20160728 18:25:31< aeth> DeFender: merfolk villages have to not be villages because of movement
20160728 18:25:48< aeth> If you put a bunch of villages in the water (or on mountains!) it is usually equivalent to flat
20160728 18:25:54< aeth> so e.g. swamp villages on water might as well be bridges
20160728 18:26:01< aeth> afaik
20160728 18:26:59< aeth> DeFender: try putting a heavy infantryman on a hill village that's placed on a mountain and see what happens, because I've definitely seen hill villages on mountains before and that's similar to the problem you're raising
20160728 18:27:52< aeth> They can go on the mountain and they get village defense from it
20160728 18:28:36< DeFender> aeth, like i said.
20160728 18:28:48< aeth> Even though they can't go on snowy mountains (where they would get frozen defense) that are frozen, mountain... strange
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