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20160814 00:06:13< Glen_> It's not for a specific unit, I meant if the player recruits any type of unit 5 times it should be removed from the recruit list
20160814 00:06:44< zookeeper> i know
20160814 00:07:23< Glen_> then in the recruit event, what is the filter for the type?
20160814 00:07:37< zookeeper> ...type=?
20160814 00:11:52< Glen_> ok nvm I understand now
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20160814 00:47:14< aeth> Wow, it's one thing to work on a map slowly over months to years, it's another to watch it come alive.
20160814 00:47:48< aeth> I might try to push myself to get it playable again *very* soon just so I can see what a game on this large map is like.
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20160814 01:43:21< hay207__> Hi celmin
20160814 01:43:33< celmin> Agh!
20160814 01:43:42< hay207__> :)
20160814 01:44:08< celmin> :|
20160814 01:45:13< hay207__> i created a variable in [unit] when the unit first spawns, 
20160814 01:45:18< hay207__> how to check against that variable in filter_condition
20160814 01:46:11< celmin> What's the point in telling you if you're just going to forget it all the next day? (I'm 99% sure this question has been asked and answered already.)
20160814 01:46:59< hay207__> what i asked to check against an automatically stored variable
20160814 01:47:14< hay207__> i remember that
20160814 01:47:30< celmin> So you're under the bizarre impression that there is a difference between an automatically stored variable and an explicitly set variable?
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20160814 04:32:03< aeth> Is there a way to access check_passability in the Lua to check the passability of something in new stuff I'm writing or do I have to reinvent the wheel?
20160814 04:32:19< aeth> I notice a lot of WML tags have that as a thing
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20160814 09:20:30< hay207__> zookeeper: i modified my code, will you revise it
20160814 09:20:34< hay207__> http://pastebin.com/qEAadXHL
20160814 09:21:23< zookeeper> no
20160814 09:21:50< hay207__> zookeeper: i 'm trying to learn
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20160814 10:13:35< DeFender1031> hmm... in SoF, it's said that the ruby was eventually cut, but it's never said what happened to the shards which were cut off, is it?
20160814 10:17:34< zookeeper> correct
20160814 10:20:05< DeFender1031> so it would not be an illegitimate use of canon for such a shard to make an appearance in a story somewhere...
20160814 10:20:41< zookeeper> yeah, seems reasonable
20160814 10:21:49< DeFender1031> excellent
20160814 10:23:22< hay207__> Hi DeFender1031, 
20160814 10:23:22< zookeeper> dunno what small shards like that would do though. maybe they'd act as really good flint-like thing for starting a fire? :P
20160814 10:24:40< DeFender1031> how's it going, hay207__?
20160814 10:24:56< hay207__> I tried what you have said earlier, this's my latest code 
20160814 10:25:03< hay207__> http://pastebin.com/qEAadXHL
20160814 10:25:21< hay207__> What i did is
20160814 10:25:21< DeFender1031> zookeeper, oh, I think I can come up with a far more powerful use for one than that... ;)
20160814 10:25:39< Ravana_> if you actually posted it to wml workshop, I would look it too
20160814 10:26:04< hay207__> created a variable in [unit], then stored it, then checked against
20160814 10:26:52< Ravana_> therefore it is unit variable not global one
20160814 10:27:32< DeFender1031> hay207__, you're on the right track, though naming the variable with the value as part of the name seems redundant. You probably just want a variable called "starting area" which has a value from 1 to 3 (i think you said there were 3 spawning areas?) and then check against that when necessary to know which area the unit came from.
20160814 10:30:04< hay207__> Ok, good idea
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20160814 11:16:32< DeFender1031> Is there a way to make an event automatically include itself in all scenarios?
20160814 11:21:20< zookeeper> kinda
20160814 11:22:13< zookeeper> put it in a unit type that will be in every scenario (from the beginning), and/or add a piece of lua that adds (and immediately kills) such a unit in every scenario, or something.
20160814 11:22:33< zookeeper> or you can put them in [campaign]
20160814 11:23:01< zookeeper> or at least i think that was supposed to work now
20160814 11:24:05< zookeeper> well, not in 1.12 probably
20160814 11:24:21< DeFender1031> won't the lua itself need to somehow be namually added to every scenario though?
20160814 11:24:35< DeFender1031> manually*
20160814 11:24:59< zookeeper> nope, a top-level [lua] tag is enough... at least in 1.13. again, not sure about 1.12.
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20160814 11:25:53< Ravana_> toplevel Lua has to be enough in 1.12 too, unforgiving hardcore is implemented with it
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20160814 11:26:19< zookeeper> but if you're making a campaign, just add an include for a file containing those events in every scenario, there's nothing wrong with that really.
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20160814 11:29:29< zookeeper> that's what i'd always do in 1.12. in 1.13 i'd put the events in [campaign].
20160814 11:30:20< DeFender1031> zookeeper, it's annoying to have to copy the include into each new campaign file.
20160814 11:30:32< DeFender1031> er
20160814 11:30:37< DeFender1031> s/campaign/scenario
20160814 11:31:17< zookeeper> seems like an inconsequential amount of annoyingness to me
20160814 11:31:33< DeFender1031> it is, but if i can avoid it, why not?
20160814 11:31:58< zookeeper> because in the last 15 minutes you'd have done it for a 100 scenarios already :p
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20160814 12:18:55< hay207__> DeFender1031: here's my latest code, i indented it nicely
20160814 12:19:04< hay207__> http://pastebin.com/92xj30Ym
20160814 12:25:19< hay207__> i changed place of variables, putting them inside [modify_unit] instead of [unit]
20160814 12:26:59< Ravana_> you still try to access unit variable as global variable
20160814 12:29:19< hay207__> i put the variable in [set_variable] then ?
20160814 12:42:54< Ravana_> notepad++ crashed while saving and deleted entire file content
20160814 12:43:02< Ravana_> really good I had it set up to backup every 7 sec
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20160814 17:41:51< aeth> I need to populate 6 more areas and then I have enough for a playtest, probably. I'll also need to finish teleporters; I'm about 2/3 of the way to implementing them
20160814 17:42:51< aeth> just over 1000 units placed so far...
20160814 17:44:54< celmin> I'd like to test this, but I can't help wondering if my computer could handle it with such a huge map...
20160814 17:45:16< aeth> celmin: disable map/idle/standing animations in preferences and it takes half as much CPU
20160814 17:45:43< aeth> celmin: CPU also seems to depend on zoom level, units present on screen, and speed of scrolling
20160814 17:45:59< aeth> So you might have to play it at 200% if your resolution is too big for your CPU
20160814 17:46:23< aeth> I only get 100% at full zoom out (5% or so) but I do have an i7-4790k
20160814 17:46:54< aeth> It looks like it does get to around 85% at 55% zoom around the main city, which is the most populated area
20160814 17:47:45< aeth> celmin: It's possible some computers can't handle the actual unit spawning process, which is why I've spawned all the units in Lua and sorted the units by general area. If I have to, I can have it progressively spawn in units over time instead of spawning them all in at once
20160814 17:47:45< Polsaker> what are you creating?
20160814 17:48:32< aeth> Polsaker: possibly the most ambitious UMC ever made for Wesnoth, which is why I had to come back to it after a few years because it was beyond my ability when I started
20160814 17:49:08< aeth> Polsaker: it's an open world, large map RPG with a tabletop-style game master controlling the NPCs/mobs, allowing basically infinite variations of games on the same map
20160814 17:49:17< aeth> Since you'll never go to all of the map, and the host can change around what happens each time
20160814 17:49:33< aeth> Mostly because I found the replayability pretty low on the existing RPGs
20160814 17:51:41< aeth> Polsaker: it was originally supposed to be an MP RPG but I merged about 5 maps into one huge 400x200 map and filled in the gaps (I think the maps only used about half of the space, if that)
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20160814 17:56:16< DeFender1031> aeth, have I told you yet how insane I think you are? (In the most positive sense, of course.)
20160814 17:57:14< aeth> thanks
20160814 17:58:39< aeth> by the way, the map is designed so that it could easily be expanded to the south (400x400?)
20160814 17:59:00< aeth> I don't have enough ideas to fill it in, though, and I'd really be pushing the Wesnoth engine
20160814 17:59:21< aeth> I might have to find ways to cut the world population as it is now
20160814 18:00:08< aeth> a battle for the city of Labaenry would probably take two RL days since moving many units in Wesnoth is not easy or fast
20160814 18:00:28< DeFender1031> aeth, you may want to consider loading and unloading by zones
20160814 18:01:39< aeth> loading by zones would be easy. unloading/reloading would be hard.
20160814 18:01:48< DeFender1031> like, have the map sectioned off into areas, and if the last player-controlled unit leaves an area, store_unit all of the units in that area so they're not in active processing. Likewise, when a unit moves into an area, unstore all units for that area.
20160814 18:02:15< DeFender1031> aeth, not really. it's just a couple of events, a store_unit, and an unstore_unit loop
20160814 18:02:37< DeFender1031> aeth, i could write that code in my sleep. All you'd need to do is define the areas.
20160814 18:04:37< DeFender1031> if it were me, i'd just separate the map into a set of larger hexes (each, say, 25 hexes across) and only have loaded the area that the players are currently in, as well as the 6 areas directly adjacent.
20160814 18:05:24< DeFender1031> though you may want the areas to be more geographically-defined based on the layouts of specific map areas
20160814 18:05:36< DeFender1031> either way though, it shouldn't actually be that hard to do
20160814 18:06:30< DeFender1031> i guess it'd actually be, store the units from the areas no longer adjacent to an area the player's units are in.
20160814 18:06:49< DeFender1031> but the point is, it shouldn't be too hard to do
20160814 18:10:42< aeth> DeFender1031: I have named towns/cities. From south to north along the west river (commas are west to east): Fort Owidd, Luddoc; Blynaerth; Fortress Aethylcyn, South Labaenry; Labaenry (the big city); Seoraedd, Fort Gurran, Elabril; Wesrheon, East Rheon, Deranion; Sellyn, ... ..., Fort Garn; 
20160814 18:10:52< aeth> Names are generated and subject to change
20160814 18:11:34< aeth> there's also a Dwarvish City, an Orcish City, a mountain town, three desert towns/cities, an orcish town, and more
20160814 18:11:37< aeth> but that's the populated area
20160814 18:11:44< DeFender1031> aeth, does that change any of what i said?
20160814 18:12:05< aeth> DeFender1031: what I'm saying is that I have more of a "zone" thing going on than a hex division of the map
20160814 18:12:20< aeth> I can say that something belongs to Labaenry or the fortifications to the west of Labaenry etc
20160814 18:12:22< DeFender1031> fine, that's doable too
20160814 18:12:46< DeFender1031> you'd just have to define the zones somewhere
20160814 18:12:56< DeFender1031> probably also adjacent zones.
20160814 18:13:41< aeth> one problem is that Labaenry is pretty massive even when broken up into many zones
20160814 18:13:51< aeth> and there is a plausible reason for e.g. moving units from one part to another
20160814 18:14:02< DeFender1031> right
20160814 18:14:17< aeth> Labaenry might have 300-450 just in its general area, of the 900 or so npcs
20160814 18:14:35< aeth> one of the reasons I merged the maps is because I liked that map but it would be pretty boring to be a standalone map
20160814 18:15:21< aeth> Arguably, every human settlement on the river is a suburb of the main city
20160814 18:15:48< DeFender1031> well, if you want, i can take a look and see what i can come up with in terms of zone loading.
20160814 18:16:04< aeth> I don't need to do zone loading yet afaik
20160814 18:16:09< DeFender1031> okay
20160814 18:17:00< DeFender1031> i could actually probably do zone loading code independantly, and in a portable way so you can just change some variables around and drop it in if necessary... I might go ahead and do so anyway just for the fun of it, even if you don't want to use it
20160814 18:17:57< aeth> what would probably be *really* needed for this sort of thing is map zone loading too
20160814 18:18:01< aeth> this pushes Wesnoth's engine
20160814 18:19:44< Polsaker> aeth: ohhhh
20160814 18:19:48< Polsaker> that's awesome
20160814 18:20:15< DeFender1031> right, though that would be far more difficult to code. It's certainly doable, but you'd have to break the map up into smaller overlapping maps and have an event that calls [replace_map] and repositions the units, storing any which are now offscreen whenever someone gets near an edge.
20160814 18:20:28< aeth> https://imgur.com/4zqvoTO
20160814 18:20:38< aeth> this is the minimap with the white rectangle roughly on the main city
20160814 18:20:48< aeth> Teal is mostly just humans right now
20160814 18:20:56< aeth> And it's mostly the west of the river
20160814 18:22:20< aeth> I guess you could argue that there are four actual areas for the humans on this river right now... Rheon (northeast), Sellyn (northwest), Labaenry (center), and Blynaerth-Luddoc (south)
20160814 18:22:50< aeth> Even if I have to cut the population and zone optimize, it is really cool seeing the world population as it is right now
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20160814 18:35:29< DeFender1031> aeth, everything about this is really cool, aside from the performance limitations.
20160814 18:37:22< aeth> DeFender1031: do you want to connect to the MP server and see how much the scenario uses of your CPU?
20160814 18:38:54< DeFender1031> aeth, to tell you the truth, i've never joined the MP server. I'd love to see this in action, but I'm not sure how to do so.
20160814 18:38:57< aeth> I don't have the teleportation menu working yet (teleporting does work, though) so it's not really playable atm given the size of the map
20160814 18:39:09< aeth> DeFender1031: it's easy, you just log in with your forum account if you have one
20160814 18:39:16< DeFender1031> that i have.
20160814 18:39:29< DeFender1031> how do i find your game though?
20160814 18:39:57< aeth> I... I think I was starting a local game
20160814 18:40:23< aeth> it will be at the bottom of the list (unless you check invert)
20160814 18:40:34< aeth> actually, nope, invert inverts the search
20160814 18:40:48< DeFender1031> what am i looking for?
20160814 18:41:19< aeth> Aethaeryn's game
20160814 18:41:22< aeth> password is test
20160814 18:41:34< DeFender1031> says it requires password
20160814 18:41:35< DeFender1031> oh
20160814 18:41:37< DeFender1031> thanks
20160814 18:42:29< DeFender1031> it also didn't adk me to log in with my forum account
20160814 18:42:44< aeth> DeFender1031: if you used the same name as your forum account, a password is required
20160814 18:42:49< aeth> I think you can pick any name if it's unregistered
20160814 18:42:53< DeFender1031> ah
20160814 18:43:08< DeFender1031> i didn't pick a name. it seems to have pulled my user name from this machine
20160814 18:43:14< DeFender1031> how do i chat in-game?
20160814 18:43:18< aeth> m
20160814 18:43:35< aeth> DeFender1031: what's your CPU usage?
20160814 18:44:07< DeFender1031> i'm on a quad-core phenom II. all cores seem to be holding at around 30-40
20160814 18:44:48< aeth> DeFender1031: I *was* on 20% locally but now I am at 8%
20160814 18:44:53< aeth> *oh*
20160814 18:44:59< aeth> when you're in a menu the CPU usage reduces
20160814 18:45:04< aeth> now it's back up to the usual 20%
20160814 18:45:28< aeth> if it stays near 20% instead of doubling when the unit count roughly doubles (at best) then I might not have to do zoning since every computer can run it
20160814 18:45:55< DeFender1031> yes, i know. my answer was not while menu was active.
20160814 18:46:03< DeFender1031> i'm back up to 30-40
20160814 18:46:10< aeth> DeFender1031: well, it's not obvious that menus block it for everyone else too
20160814 18:46:23< aeth> I thought it was animations that did this *but* animations don't pause when another player is in a menu
20160814 18:46:29< aeth> so something else has to be loading the CPU
20160814 18:46:36< aeth> *hopefully* 1.13 can optimize it away
20160814 18:46:56< aeth> DeFender1031: end turn?
20160814 18:47:16< DeFender1031> oh, didn't realize i needed to
20160814 18:47:29< aeth> no simul turns
20160814 18:47:32< aeth> unfortunately
20160814 18:47:33< DeFender1031> of course not
20160814 18:47:37< DeFender1031> that's not wesnoth.
20160814 18:47:37< aeth> I'd love to see at least 2-5 on simul turns
20160814 18:47:44< aeth> i.e. same team simul turns
20160814 18:47:51< DeFender1031> would be nice.
20160814 18:48:05< aeth> although right now in RPGs you can double heal if you're next to a healer and on a village
20160814 18:48:12< DeFender1031> though would require changing a lot of how wesnoth works
20160814 18:48:16< aeth> +8 on your turn for the village, +4 to +8 from the healer
20160814 18:48:24< DeFender1031> i ended turn. it's giving me another leader select menu
20160814 18:48:32< aeth> DeFender1031: I gave you sides 2-5
20160814 18:48:34< DeFender1031> ah
20160814 18:48:35< aeth> since it's an MP RPG
20160814 18:48:40< DeFender1031> so i have to do this multiple times. okay
20160814 18:48:46< aeth> well, not in a normal game
20160814 18:48:58< aeth> usually there's one player per unit, although sometimes someone controls two if there's not enough on
20160814 18:49:18< aeth> what I did when I tested it by myself was 1 mage, 1 elf shaman, 1 spearman, 1 elf fighter
20160814 18:49:22< aeth> basically 2 mages, 1 tank, 1 mixed
20160814 18:49:34< aeth> I almost lost a unit against the goblins... elvish shamans are weak
20160814 18:49:53< aeth> leadership is clever
20160814 18:50:13< aeth> DeFender1031: one thing to keep in mind is I use the 24 hour turn schedule (it is mainline, actually)
20160814 18:50:25< DeFender1031> makes sense for something this big
20160814 18:50:27< aeth> 12 probably would work better, but the default just isn't enough for a large map
20160814 18:51:16< aeth> DeFender1031: do you want to see what the host can see or do you want to just test out playing the starting area?
20160814 18:51:27< aeth> I kind of want to see if I made the path obvious enough
20160814 18:52:00< DeFender1031> The unit preview when selecting could use some work. (Yes, I know that the default unit preview pane isn't made accessible to UMC, I actually need to create one of my own for my own add-on right now. Perhaps when I do, I'll send you what I have to stick in here.)
20160814 18:52:16< aeth> I agree the GUI stuff needs work
20160814 18:52:25< aeth> one thing I'm going to do next is flatten the menu so you do one less click
20160814 18:52:31< aeth> i.e. levels 0 and levels 1 become headings
20160814 18:52:56< DeFender1031> hmm
20160814 18:52:59< aeth> DeFender1031: no indoor/cave lighting btw
20160814 18:53:04< aeth> that would be too OP in favor of chaotic
20160814 18:53:08< aeth> so ToD applies indoors
20160814 18:53:11< DeFender1031> aeth, intentional or just not done yet?
20160814 18:53:15< DeFender1031> ah
20160814 18:53:22< aeth> I'm not sure if I'll do it anyway
20160814 18:53:28< aeth> but if I do I might have to have an illuminates item or something
20160814 18:54:04< DeFender1031> something i've thought of is to make some indoors neutral or even light, rather than dark
20160814 18:54:20< aeth> I freely mix indoors and cave a lot, though
20160814 18:54:24< DeFender1031> and hence only some areas are OP one way or the other.
20160814 18:54:31< aeth> the building you're in right now opens to a cave at one spot
20160814 18:54:50< aeth> balance on this map isn't really full anyway... it is a forest after all so elves get an advantage
20160814 18:54:53< aeth> until they enter the caves
20160814 18:55:12< aeth> I figure that the party will choose the areas of the map to play based on their advantages, rather than making the map uniformly balanced
20160814 18:55:20< DeFender1031> right, but even so, you can switch up what happens indoors and underground
20160814 18:55:21< aeth> so elves might want to stick to the woods, or you could go dwarves and just stay in the caves
20160814 18:58:42< DeFender1031> without shroud, cpu's up now to 40-60
20160814 18:58:51< aeth> DeFender1031: ah
20160814 18:58:57< aeth> DeFender1031: shroud/fog must do the trick
20160814 18:59:02< aeth> I think probably fog
20160814 18:59:12< aeth> in the map editor the map is only 8% CPU
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20160814 19:40:12< aeth> celmin: I'm previewing my map/scenario right now if you want to see it
20160814 19:40:28< aeth> I've only gotten (most of) the west river populated
20160814 19:40:59< aeth> it's probably more than 2/3 though because it's the most populated part
20160814 19:44:29< celmin> aeth, DeFender1031: I think there's an [area] tag or something that can be used to easily define areas.
20160814 19:44:49< celmin> Not sure if it's documented, but the scenario editor uses it.
20160814 19:45:09< celmin> (Not sure if it's in 1.12, you'd have to check in the scenario editor.)
20160814 19:45:10< aeth> celmin: I suspect that eventually I'll have to do a few major engine changes to get my add-on working smoothly
20160814 19:45:23 * celmin mentioned this because of the talk of zone loading.
20160814 19:45:23< aeth> it's quite large in scope
20160814 19:45:48< aeth> celmin: the ideal thing to do imo would be to separate the concept of scenario and map, if it's not too hard to unhardcode
20160814 19:45:58< aeth> Then I can break it into lots of chunks
20160814 19:46:11< celmin> It's already separated, isn't it?
20160814 19:47:43< DeFender1031> celmin, he means the idea that there's only one active map per scenario
20160814 19:47:44< aeth> celmin: to the point where there can be more than one map?
20160814 19:48:24< aeth> well it might be possible already to stitch together maps in Lua and then switch to that as the map
20160814 19:48:35< aeth> multiple "layers" would be void-separated maps
20160814 19:49:06< DeFender1031> aeth, i actually made a 10-storey castle map for my add-on with that principle.
20160814 19:49:21< DeFender1031> (the scenario for it isn't complete yet though)
20160814 19:49:36< aeth> what would make things better is an explicit "layer" UI like some similar games have
20160814 19:49:46< aeth> so you could actually load multiple maps linked by teleporters/tunnels/etc. as layers
20160814 19:49:58< celmin> What exactly do you mean by saying "there is more than one map"?
20160814 19:50:00< aeth> especially if it was flexibile enough to unload some
20160814 19:50:22< aeth> celmin: some similar games have an above ground map, and an underground map, and an icon under the minimap where you flip between them
20160814 19:50:26< aeth> for instance
20160814 19:50:42< aeth> towers would be a more complicated example
20160814 19:50:57< celmin> I don't think it's quite flexible for that, assuming you wanted units in the non-active map to still be able to move.
20160814 19:51:02< celmin> ^flexible enough
20160814 19:51:02< aeth> right
20160814 19:51:09< DeFender1031> exactly.
20160814 19:51:12< aeth> in principle it's not too different from void-separated maps being seen on one map, but with better presentation to the end user
20160814 19:51:34< aeth> perhaps it could even be implemented with one big map with impassable sections and the layers just switch between them
20160814 19:51:35< DeFender1031> aeth, and better performance, sine it doesn't have to actually render anything but the current map.
20160814 19:52:05< aeth> it wouldn't really help my map though. only 1/3 is cave and some of that is above ground
20160814 19:52:45< aeth> it would allow, though, e.g. a building layer or something
20160814 19:53:03< aeth> Wesnoth doesn't really handle indoors well, though. Only a few floors work, only one wall works, and very little eyecandy
20160814 19:53:12< aeth> meanwhile for farms you have fences, flowers, farmland, windmills, etc.
20160814 19:53:37< celmin> I'm pretty sure there's a lot of indoor images available, though only through [item]/
20160814 19:53:41< celmin> ^.
20160814 19:54:16< DeFender1031> there's also plenty of extra stuff in various add ons
20160814 19:56:26< aeth> celmin: not quite enough
20160814 19:56:43< aeth> celmin: and the hardest thing is probably actually village-equivalents that aren't buildings, which would probably require new terrains
20160814 19:56:52< aeth> e.g. healing fountains or something
20160814 19:57:02< celmin> Healing fountains should be easy.
20160814 19:57:11< aeth> right now I don't require download
20160814 19:57:22< aeth> village overlays aren't very intuitive, I experimented with using them
20160814 19:57:22< celmin> I wouldn't expect them to give upkeep though.
20160814 19:57:28< aeth> they're not intuitive for the players, I mean
20160814 19:57:40< aeth> healing fountains would be like oasis terrain, I guess
20160814 19:57:44< aeth> I don't think there's an overlay for that
20160814 19:57:49< celmin> Yeah, that's what I would expect.
20160814 19:57:55< celmin> There's no overlay for that, no.
20160814 19:58:09< aeth> units don't require upkeep and villages don't give gold on my map
20160814 19:58:14< aeth> it's an RPG, not strategy
20160814 19:58:22< celmin> The oasis itself is an overlay, so I suppose you could put that and drop the fountain image on top. Not sure if that would look good though.
20160814 19:58:25< aeth> when you control more than one unit it's based on the quest
20160814 19:58:58< aeth> celmin: dropping an image on top of an oasis still keeps the oasis visible
20160814 19:59:13< aeth> I just dropped a shop on top of an oasis in my test game and it has palm trees in the background
20160814 19:59:17< celmin> Ah.
20160814 19:59:32< aeth> the images are apparently a different layer than e.g. trees and oasis
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20160814 20:36:37< hay207__> Hi DeFender1031
20160814 20:40:36< DeFender1031> hey, hay207__, heading to bed very soon
20160814 20:40:55< hay207__> Ok, good night
20160814 20:41:02< hay207__> tomorrow then
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20160814 21:03:47< DeFender1031> good night hay207__.
20160814 21:04:01< DeFender1031> aeth, thanks. that was fun.
20160814 21:04:16< hay207__> sweet dreams
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20160814 23:27:59< home> Hi :)
20160814 23:28:08< home> I'm trying to play with someone that is using an ipad
20160814 23:28:19< home> but they can't join the same official server as I am?
20160814 23:28:28< home> They only see 3 people online?
20160814 23:28:33< vultraz> huh
20160814 23:28:36< home> What is wrong?
20160814 23:28:54< vultraz> what version have you?
20160814 23:29:34< home> oh
20160814 23:29:38< home> I'm in the 1.12 multiplayer server
20160814 23:29:45< home> For some reason they're in the 1.10 multiplayer server
20160814 23:29:55< vultraz> as I expected
20160814 23:29:57< home> Maybe the ipad version needs an update
20160814 23:29:59< vultraz> the iOS version is way behind
20160814 23:30:04< home> ah, i paid for it too
20160814 23:30:14< home> how do I play on the 1.10 server?
20160814 23:30:29< vultraz> you'd need to download the 1.10 version of the game
20160814 23:33:04< vultraz> https://sourceforge.net/projects/wesnoth/files/wesnoth-1.10/wesnoth-1.10.7/
20160814 23:35:13< vultraz> we lost our iOS packager, which is why it's still on 1.10
20160814 23:35:31< vultraz> you don't happen to know someone interested on making a new port, do you? :)
20160814 23:44:37< home>  I don't vultraz, sry
20160814 23:47:54< aeth> ancestral: do you want to see my RPG map? I already showed it to DeFender1031 earlier
20160814 23:48:11< aeth> the one problem is it takes a lot of CPU, 20% to 40% on both our computers (strangely constant there)
20160814 23:48:18< ancestral> If it doesn’t require launching Wesnoth, sure
20160814 23:48:34< aeth> ancestral: there's not really a way to show it outside of Wesnoth, unfortunately
20160814 23:48:48< aeth> the only easy image sharing is imgur and even at 5% zoom it'll jpgify the screenshot and make it ugly
20160814 23:48:53< aeth> It's a 400x200 map
20160814 23:49:06< ancestral> Isn’t there a screenshot key?
20160814 23:49:16< ancestral> uploadpie.com it
20160814 23:49:18< aeth> a full map screenshot would be huge
20160814 23:49:41< ancestral> What version, 1.12?
20160814 23:50:15< ancestral> You could try http://mproud.com/wesnoth/canvas/
20160814 23:51:02< ancestral> Anyway, I can launch 1.12 for you
20160814 23:52:43< aeth> yeah 1.12 because it's mp
20160814 23:53:00< aeth> I haven't tested it in 1.13 in a while but I do actually have some conditionals that only run in 1.13 for new features
20160814 23:53:10< aeth> I actually got a few features added because of this
20160814 23:53:15< aeth> and will try for some more if it's not too late
20160814 23:57:10< aeth> I am adding spawns to the map, I am almost done
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20160814 23:57:25< aeth> almost everything's on the west river, and I'm done with the west river
20160814 23:57:58< aeth> there's a monestary, three desert towns, some settlements on the east river, and the big elf city, then I'm done with the preset spawns (at least for now)
20160814 23:58:09< aeth> 1125 units that start npc, 228 units that start hostile
20160814 23:58:33< aeth> about half as many units as I expected, probably since most of the wild regions will use in-game spawning
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