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20160823 00:33:58< janebot> Tweet (by @Wesnoth) @ndtdcu Thanks! [ https://twitter.com/Wesnoth/status/767882536236097536 ]
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20160823 02:55:04< aeth> TheCreatorT: you won btw
20160823 02:55:31< aeth> TheCreatorT: Everyone else decided to betray your character and send the teleporter goblins (10 or so?) at your army so they could escape through the teleporter
20160823 02:55:44< aeth> I think it started right around when you crashed actually, so I wasn't sure if you ragequit or not
20160823 02:56:02< aeth> Even with the added numbers against you, your army still won with about 10 left
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20160823 03:00:16< aeth> The river strategy combined with your leader character's much higher HP was enough to win. Having two enemy teams also helped, of course.
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20160823 03:06:39< aeth> The game ended with your character separated from the others, but victorious over the goblins, and about 10 xp from promotion.
20160823 03:16:22< aeth> ugh, the save/replay somehow got corrupted
20160823 03:16:33< aeth> maybe where half the players crashed
20160823 03:17:32< aeth> no, it was after that
20160823 03:23:10< aeth> Strange, maybe the shop usage caused that somehow. It was right around that point.
20160823 03:36:28< aeth> anyway, it looks like around 8 goblins (counting the wolves) lived.
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20160823 04:31:24< TheCreatorT> Aeth????
20160823 04:31:27< TheCreatorT> are you serious
20160823 04:31:39< celmin> He is serious.
20160823 04:32:00< TheCreatorT> ...so who took control?
20160823 04:32:06< celmin> He did.
20160823 04:33:23< TheCreatorT> did the elves die?
20160823 04:33:36< celmin> No, they teleported.
20160823 04:33:58< TheCreatorT> ah right
20160823 04:34:07< aeth> TheCreatorT: so basically I was fighting myself but I tried my hardest to kill you and your minions and failed
20160823 04:34:29< aeth> some good rolls in your favor, also I underestimated your strength vs the goblins
20160823 04:34:50< TheCreatorT> Orcish leader; had to have some strategy to his orcish
20160823 04:35:07< aeth> I forgot leadership doesn't apply to allies in vanilla
20160823 04:35:20< aeth> there were two rousers on the friendly goblin side though
20160823 04:35:26< TheCreatorT> true
20160823 04:35:28< celmin> Wait what?
20160823 04:35:42< aeth> celmin: it's just usually modified in RPG eras
20160823 04:35:43< celmin> I don't think I was aware of that quirk of leadership.
20160823 04:36:07< celmin> Though I guess I've never been in a situation where I needed to apply leadership to an ally...
20160823 04:36:08< aeth> It violates KISS totally... healing applies to allies even when horribly abusable like multihealing in one turn, one per side turn
20160823 04:36:15< aeth> if e.g. you put a healer by a village
20160823 04:37:02< aeth> celmin: description in help says "adjacent own units"
20160823 04:37:06< aeth> for leadership ability
20160823 04:38:28< TheCreatorT> KISS?
20160823 04:38:42< aeth> "keep it simple stupid"
20160823 04:39:01< aeth> Wesnoth's philosophy is to try to be as simple as possible so e.g. no real range, no non-attack spells, etc., in mainline
20160823 04:39:20< aeth> The only good thing about it is that it leaves a lot of space for add-ons to experiment with breaking some of those rules while leaving a solid base to build on
20160823 04:39:23< aeth> imo
20160823 04:39:26< TheCreatorT> right
20160823 04:42:06< aeth> And actually the limitations are kind of okay. I prefer RP mods to actual RP games because the latter tend to be way too complicated.
20160823 04:42:13< aeth> Sometimes limitations produce better art.
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20160823 09:37:26< DeFender1031> <aeth> Wesnoth's philosophy is to try to be as simple as possible <--- which once again makes me wonder why UtBS is mainline.
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20160823 19:14:56< Shiki> I'm currently searching for missing files in an add-on (ageless era) 
20160823 19:15:19< Shiki> Does anybody know in which addon insects.wav or flute.ogg are?
20160823 19:16:15< DeFender1031> Shiki, does the add on not have a dependancy when you install it?
20160823 19:17:15< DeFender1031> Shiki, either way, it looks like those files are in era of four moons
20160823 19:21:06< Shiki> thanks
20160823 19:21:37< Shiki> Ageless era uses the units too, but missed the sound files so far.
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20160823 22:47:58< aeth> DeFender1031: a lot of Wesnoth's original rules have been broken, e.g. NRIW (no religion in Wesnoth) was a big one in its early years
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20160823 22:56:57< Naglfar> hello, when I set "Apply filter" to search for "Vacant slots" in network game it becomes slow
20160823 22:57:16< Naglfar> I notice too much cpu usage
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20160823 23:06:46< shadowm> aeth: https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=441618#p441618
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20160823 23:08:17< aeth> shadowm: in the early years it was at least assumed to be a policy (i.e. de facto) whether or not it was ever one
20160823 23:09:18< shadowm> Assumed.
20160823 23:09:31< shadowm> Things you assume aren't rules.
20160823 23:10:25< aeth> I'd argue that it went beyond that and was an implicit de facto rule
20160823 23:11:55< shadowm> Okay then, but in that case it was broken as early as version 1.1.2.
20160823 23:12:30< shadowm> So approx. 2.75 years into its development.
20160823 23:13:20< aeth> It was sure treated as a de facto rule well into 1.2/1.4 even if there were a few exceptions in mainline
20160823 23:14:18< shadowm> If you're going to put it like that then it's still a "rule".
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20160823 23:14:54< shadowm> Because there hasn't been any further developments in that regard and the Lords of Light thing began to spread throughout mainline circa 1.3.x if my memory serves.
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