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20160831 07:08:25< DeFender1031> vultraz, http://paste.nachsoftware.com/DeFender1031/TpnJM1de5642c18f7928a5cd457c682139cafbvX
20160831 07:12:25< DeFender1031> actually, I could probably simplify this by using helper.get_child instead of looping myself, though that'll no doubt be doing this internally anyway, and without it, it more clearly highlights how bizarre this ID format is and how inefficient it is to generate the proper one.
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20160831 08:08:02< vultraz> DeFender1031: good god o_o
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20160831 08:17:43< DeFender1031> vultraz, yes, exactly.
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20160831 12:20:50< Shiki> Can somebody explain me the difference between terrain= and terrain_types= for location filtering?
20160831 12:21:30< Shiki> I think I heard that terrain= would be deprecated by terrain_types=, but i couldn't find information about that
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20160831 12:38:40< DeFender1031> Shiki, i don't see documentation that "terrain_types" is even a valid attribute for a location filter
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20160831 12:54:31< DeFender1031> Shiki, but I do also have a vague recollection of seeing that somewhere.
20160831 12:54:48< DeFender1031> Shiki, though I believe that it was the other way around.
20160831 12:56:32< zookeeper> yeah where are you getting that terrain_types= thing from?
20160831 12:58:58< DeFender1031> ah, found it: https://wiki.wesnoth.org/AnimationWML#Generic_animation_filters_available_for_all_animations
20160831 12:59:12< DeFender1031> that's not about location filtering as such
20160831 12:59:52< DeFender1031> the animation stuff is different.
20160831 13:02:26< DeFender1031> (though, one does wonder why in this context, the name used consistently everywhere else would be deprecated in favor of something slightly different)
20160831 13:04:11< zookeeper> i'm not sure
20160831 13:04:23< zookeeper> probably to remove some sort of ambiguity... not that i see what it might have been
20160831 13:05:05< Shiki> Ah, I see, that's how it was.
20160831 13:05:36< DeFender1031> zookeeper, i don't see any ambiguity here.
20160831 13:06:10< Shiki> I came to that point because I saw some abilities using terrain= and wondered if I should replace that by terrain_type=
20160831 13:06:39< Shiki> But now I get it.
20160831 13:06:59< DeFender1031> zookeeper, more andm ore i'm noticing that there seems to be things in the code, changes that have been made, design decisions, etc. that it seems like the current developers don't actually understand and make no sense, and there's no way to even ask "what were you thinking?"
20160831 13:07:56< DeFender1031> man, my previous line was worded terribly.
20160831 13:08:31< DeFender1031> Shiki, yeah, basically, it's "terrain=" for location filters and "terrain_type=" for animation filters, for some unknown reason.
20160831 13:09:52< DeFender1031> btw, zookeeper, i COULD see switching to "terrain_type=" making sense for all filters, to avoid the conflict with the "terrain=" attribute in [terrain], but that can already be worked around with a nested filter, and that's not actually where the change was made.
20160831 13:10:09< zookeeper> if i'm looking at my irclogs right, when esr renamed [terrain] to [terrain_type] (to remove ambiguity with the ActionWML tag), he also mistakenly renamed the animation terrain= to terrain_type= and that was noticed by several people but... apparently no one ever remembered to fix it?
20160831 13:10:41< zookeeper> (in 2009)
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20160831 13:20:06< zookeeper> except that bit was reverted and someone else made a different commit purporting to revert it
20160831 13:20:43< zookeeper> but apparently it's still terrain_type=?
20160831 13:22:10< zookeeper> ah, no, the other commit was about [rule]
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20160831 13:26:29< zookeeper> sadly it's really frustrating to try to find the git commits based on svn revision, because tortoisegit's commit log search is either dysfunctional or unusably slow
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20160831 13:30:47< zookeeper> riiiiight.
20160831 13:31:41< zookeeper> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/25e9e53cb68 changed it to terrain_type=, https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/0c1423f2ffd fixed it but only SLF's, not the animation key
20160831 13:32:04< zookeeper> and then apparently so much time passed before the latter was noticed that it was simply kept instead of being changed again
20160831 13:32:27< DeFender1031> ugh
20160831 13:34:59< vultraz> :|
20160831 13:35:00< vultraz> :| :| :|
20160831 13:35:17< zookeeper> oops. was supposed to look at an irclog of #wesnoth-dev for a given day but opened a #wesnoth-de log instead and was wondering why on that day everyone was speaking german...
20160831 13:36:43< Shiki> nowadays nobody speaks there anymore
20160831 13:37:59< zookeeper> seems to have been lively regularly but not daily, in 2009 :P
20160831 13:41:40< zookeeper> we weren't that fussy about breaking compatibility back then since wmllint was supposed to be the solution
20160831 13:42:03< vultraz> "we"? you mean "I"? :P
20160831 13:42:22< zookeeper> both!
20160831 13:44:10< zookeeper> i wasn't yet fussy about it and neither were most other people, i think
20160831 13:44:31< vultraz> so we got worse? :|
20160831 13:44:37< vultraz> that's bad
20160831 13:46:26< zookeeper> no, we _were_ bad. now the rest of us are good.
20160831 13:46:43< zookeeper> anyway i removed that old mention from the wiki.
20160831 13:46:46< vultraz> neeeein
20160831 13:48:42< zookeeper> jawohl, vultraz ist ein freches Entwickler
20160831 13:48:54< vultraz> :|
20160831 13:49:05 * vultraz understands nothing
20160831 13:50:43< zookeeper> i don't either, but that didn't prevent me from typing it :p
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20160831 14:01:59< DeFender1031> oh hey, vultraz, you're here
20160831 14:02:14< DeFender1031> i have some more GUI questions...
20160831 14:02:27< DeFender1031> and I really hope I'm not annoying you at this point.
20160831 14:03:52< vultraz> what do you need?
20160831 14:05:19< DeFender1031> was trying to figure out how to make header to a list box like the recall list (and most built-in dialogs) have, which (1) does not scroll away when you scroll (2) has columns the same width as those in the listbox and (3) sorts the box when clicked.
20160831 14:06:19< DeFender1031> i got as far as trying to create a header in my listbox and trying to give its columns the same linked group id as the columns in the listbox themselves, but for some reason it's still doing none of the above.
20160831 14:06:33< vultraz> ugh :|
20160831 14:06:35< vultraz> well..
20160831 14:06:46< vultraz> in 1.12 it will scroll with the list
20160831 14:06:49< vultraz> that was fixed in 1.13
20160831 14:06:51< DeFender1031> (though i would not expect that to do 3, the fact tha 1 and 2 are not working is odd)
20160831 14:06:59< DeFender1031> ...
20160831 14:07:11< DeFender1031> the built-in dialogs' ones don't scroll
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20160831 14:07:49< vultraz> that's gui1
20160831 14:07:51< vultraz> not gui2
20160831 14:08:23< vultraz> though this is just when using [listbox][header]
20160831 14:09:09< DeFender1031> wait what?
20160831 14:09:20< DeFender1031> gui1 is still in use?
20160831 14:09:27< vultraz> oh yes
20160831 14:09:36< DeFender1031> wow.
20160831 14:09:39< vultraz> about half of 1.12 is gui1
20160831 14:09:40< DeFender1031> dear lord, wow.
20160831 14:09:51< vultraz> im working hard to get rid of as much as i can for 1.14
20160831 14:10:09< DeFender1031> yikes.
20160831 14:10:17< DeFender1031> okay, that complicates things.
20160831 14:10:18< vultraz> in the next dev release (1.13.6), these dialogs will be converted from gui1:
20160831 14:10:48< vultraz> Recall, Unit List, Scenario Stats, MP Lobby, MP Create, right click menus, Select Faction
20160831 14:10:58< DeFender1031> well, then, what about the matched width?
20160831 14:11:00< vultraz> and Unit Advance
20160831 14:11:13< vultraz> just gives you a little idea :|
20160831 14:11:15< vultraz> anyway
20160831 14:11:16< DeFender1031> yeah
20160831 14:11:23< vultraz> for that you can use a linked_group
20160831 14:11:30< DeFender1031> i tried, it's not working right
20160831 14:11:40< vultraz> how so?
20160831 14:11:58< DeFender1031> the column widths don't line up?
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20160831 14:12:21< vultraz> try putting the key in [grid]
20160831 14:12:43< vultraz> and then also in the corresponding header widget
20160831 14:12:57< DeFender1031> what key?
20160831 14:13:48< vultraz> linked_group = "group_id"
20160831 14:13:55< vultraz> don't forget to actually define the group
20160831 14:14:13< vultraz> [linked_group] id = id, fixed_width = true
20160831 14:14:41< DeFender1031> i already have the groups defined
20160831 14:14:52< DeFender1031> they're working fine within the listbox itself
20160831 14:15:12< DeFender1031> what do you mean by "put it in [grid]"?
20160831 14:15:24< vultraz> ugh
20160831 14:15:48< vultraz> if the column you want has multiple child columns or something
20160831 14:15:53< vultraz> put the linked_group key in the parent grid
20160831 14:15:57< vultraz> not an individual widget
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20160831 14:16:39< DeFender1031> ah, it doesn't.
20160831 14:17:07< vultraz> i can't help more without seeing a screenshot and code
20160831 14:17:20< DeFender1031> then let me get you some of those.
20160831 14:20:06< DeFender1031> There's a bunch of commented out cruft from testing or incomplete stuff i still need to add, but here, the relevant listbox begins on line 79: http://paste.nachsoftware.com/DeFender1031/xlLQD9f2afc3a5eae9080036c57c6e7551aefasK 
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20160831 14:21:09< DeFender1031> as for a screenshot, are you capable of accepting DCC transfers?
20160831 14:21:48< vultraz> i think so..
20160831 14:21:58< vultraz> don't you have dropbox or google drive or something?
20160831 14:22:42 * Shiki got just reminded of the dropbox hack
20160831 14:23:12< DeFender1031> vultraz, i do, but i find DCC easier.
20160831 14:24:27< vultraz> ugh
20160831 14:24:30< vultraz> blaghhh
20160831 14:24:39< DeFender1031> did i do something evil?
20160831 14:24:45< vultraz> nah
20160831 14:24:46< DeFender1031> or ugly?
20160831 14:25:16< vultraz> ok
20160831 14:25:55< DeFender1031> ok?
20160831 14:25:56< vultraz> first try adding grow_factor = 0 to all header columns
20160831 14:26:11< DeFender1031> stand by...
20160831 14:26:30< DeFender1031> isn't that the default?
20160831 14:26:50< vultraz> not...really
20160831 14:27:02< DeFender1031> well, either way, no change.
20160831 14:27:21< vultraz> blah
20160831 14:27:28< vultraz> i know how to fix this, but it's rather... annoying..
20160831 14:28:01< vultraz> ok
20160831 14:28:04< vultraz> next try
20160831 14:28:07< DeFender1031> oh dear
20160831 14:28:11< vultraz> merging image and tpye into a subgrid
20160831 14:28:22< vultraz> moving linked_group = type into that grid
20160831 14:28:47< DeFender1031> is the image throwing things off?
20160831 14:28:56< vultraz> yes
20160831 14:29:01< DeFender1031> is it some rule that linked groups must be of the same type?
20160831 14:29:35< vultraz> same type?
20160831 14:30:28< DeFender1031> same type of widget
20160831 14:30:31< DeFender1031> or something
20160831 14:30:40< vultraz> no
20160831 14:30:40< DeFender1031> just trying to understand why the image is throwing things off
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20160831 14:33:36< DeFender1031> okay, moving image and type into a subgrid fixes the widths, but i need to fix up the alignment of the subgrid (i know how to do that)
20160831 14:33:55< DeFender1031> still not sure I understand why it wasn't working the other way though.
20160831 14:34:13< vultraz> it's rather
20160831 14:34:15< vultraz> complicated
20160831 14:34:22< vultraz> and i don't fully understand it
20160831 14:34:32< vultraz> so i just try to keep 1 col = 1 header col
20160831 14:35:09< DeFender1031> that's how it was before too
20160831 14:35:22< vultraz> no you had 1 header col = 2 list col
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20160831 14:35:41< DeFender1031> nope. there was a header column with an empty label before the one for type
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20160831 14:35:52< vultraz> oh
20160831 14:35:52< DeFender1031> (i commented it out for your suggestion)
20160831 14:36:10< DeFender1031> oh
20160831 14:36:13< DeFender1031> i'm an idiot
20160831 14:36:18< vultraz> well you'd have needed linked_group = icon for that then
20160831 14:36:23< DeFender1031> that first column header
20160831 14:36:25< DeFender1031> yep
20160831 14:36:38< DeFender1031> okay, so let me fix that.
20160831 14:37:10< DeFender1031> and yes, it's obvious to me that in order for stuff to line up the number of columns needs to match. i just made a stupid copy-paste error.
20160831 14:38:06< vultraz> so, all fixed then?
20160831 14:40:11< DeFender1031> the width thing, yes, the no-scrolling thing, no, but I believe i can workaround that by putting the header ro outside the listbox completely
20160831 14:40:32< DeFender1031> the last thing is making these headers clickable and look like the sortable headers on the built in one
20160831 14:40:41< DeFender1031> (and implementing whatever sorting, but that's simple)
20160831 14:41:13< DeFender1031> i assume i wnat to make these headers some form of button, but i'm not sure which
20160831 14:41:25< DeFender1031> (or whether what i want is even exposed to lua)
20160831 14:42:31< DeFender1031> the things i notice about the built in one: (1) highlight on hover (2) gets a triangle indicating sort direction when clicked, which flips when clicked again
20160831 14:42:48< vultraz> you want a toggle_button with the definition listbox_header instead of a label
20160831 14:42:49< DeFender1031> i would imagine that 1 is a button definition
20160831 14:42:54< DeFender1031> ah
20160831 14:42:55< DeFender1031> yes
20160831 14:43:11< DeFender1031> will that take care of the triangle too, or do i have to add that myself? (either answer is good)
20160831 14:43:17< vultraz> dunno
20160831 14:43:21< vultraz> it has it in 1.12
20160831 14:43:24< vultraz> 1.13*
20160831 14:43:28< vultraz> dunno about 1.12
20160831 14:43:30< DeFender1031> well, i suppose testing will tell me.
20160831 14:45:30< DeFender1031> they're ending up being checkboxes...
20160831 14:45:59< DeFender1031> (and yes, i do have definition="listbox_header")
20160831 14:46:52< vultraz> BLAGH
20160831 14:47:01< vultraz> i guess that definition isn't in 1.12 ;|
20160831 14:47:26< DeFender1031> is there some definition for either toggle button or button which would be similar?
20160831 14:47:52< vultraz> no
20160831 14:48:00< vultraz> besides the default button
20160831 14:49:35< DeFender1031> default button isn't quite similar enough.
20160831 14:49:49< DeFender1031> but i might be able to make it work
20160831 14:50:10< vultraz> im sorry, all my extensive ui overhaul work is in 1.13
20160831 14:50:12< vultraz> :(
20160831 14:50:14< DeFender1031> or i'll look through other definitions for button and toggle button and find one that's nice but not necessarily identical to the built in
20160831 14:50:29< DeFender1031> backport? :P
20160831 14:50:38< vultraz> impossible
20160831 14:50:52< DeFender1031> forwardport?
20160831 14:50:57< vultraz> wat
20160831 14:51:01< DeFender1031> :P
20160831 14:51:42< DeFender1031> it wouldn't be so bad if there were a way to create custom definitions.
20160831 14:51:53< DeFender1031> aw well, i'll look for what i can find
20160831 14:52:00< DeFender1031> thank you so so much for your help
20160831 14:52:39< vultraz> no prob
20160831 14:56:02< DeFender1031> i'm gonna go with listbox_text
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20160831 14:56:17< DeFender1031> i think
20160831 14:56:56< DeFender1031> oh, unless there's a toggle_panel that will work petter...
20160831 14:56:59< DeFender1031> better*
20160831 14:57:22< Swarna> is the official server down?
20160831 14:57:58< vultraz> yes
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20160831 15:07:39< hay207> Hi guys, the master primary mp server 's down
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20160831 16:20:46< Soliton> hay207: what happens if you try to login? hangs until timeout?
20160831 16:21:53< hay207> check http://status.wesnoth.org/
20160831 16:22:33< Soliton> the server is running fine but only few connections.
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20160831 16:24:16< hay207> Well, it's written "Down" in status
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20160831 16:32:43< celticminstrel> No, the 1.12 server is shown as "Up" in status...
20160831 16:33:14< Soliton> yeah, just noticed the trunk server is having troubles.
20160831 16:35:25< Soliton> hmm, hmm
20160831 16:37:25< hay207> I m not the only one with troubles connecting to main server
20160831 16:39:04< Soliton> you can connect on port 14998 for now.
20160831 16:40:17< hay207> Ok, 
20160831 16:42:10< Soliton> well, now it should be back to normal.
20160831 16:42:53< hay207> Awesome
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20160831 21:00:19< DeFender1031> is there a way in lua to A: include another lua file relative to the location of the file in which the call exists and B: include all files in a particular directory (like how wml includes work but for lua)?
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20160831 21:07:55< celticminstrel> A: Does "./name.lua" not work?
20160831 21:07:58< celticminstrel> B: No.
20160831 21:08:17< celticminstrel> Actually, B would be useful in the wml-tags.lua script in 1.13.
20160831 21:08:55< celticminstrel> Note that ".." isn't allowed in 1.12, and in 1.13 is only allowed at the beginning and does not permit backing out of the addons dir, if I recall correctly.
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