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20160903 04:33:38< janebot> wesnoth: Battle for Wesnoth music? (by /u/jp599) https://redd.it/50xbcq
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20160903 17:02:05< Metamorphosis> hello. how can i play as the khalifate?
20160903 17:02:30< Metamorphosis> Are there any Khalifate involved campaigns?
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20160903 17:03:07< DeFender1031> not in mainline
20160903 17:03:15< DeFender1031> not sure about add ons
20160903 17:06:26< celticminstrel> There's Oath of Allegiance on the add-ons server, though he seems to have moved to 1.13 for developing it.
20160903 17:09:22< celticminstrel> There was also one other, what was it called...
20160903 17:09:31< celticminstrel> Though I didn't hear it was as good.
20160903 17:09:41< celticminstrel> Or rather I heard it wasn't as good.
20160903 17:13:18< Metamorphosis> i believe the idea of an islamic faction is pretty neat
20160903 17:14:47< celticminstrel> I wouldn't call them Islamic.
20160903 17:14:50< celticminstrel> Arabic, sure.
20160903 17:14:56< celticminstrel> But not Islamic.
20160903 17:16:22< DeFender1031> Yeah, their islamic appearance no more means they're islamic than the white mages' crosses mean they're christian.
20160903 17:16:42< celticminstrel> I wouldn't even say that they have an Islamic appearance.
20160903 17:16:53< celticminstrel> And the white mages have an ankh rather than a cross, I thought.
20160903 17:17:07< DeFender1031> It's just one of those fantasy things where things in a totally different world that developed in a very specific manner in our world somehow end up there without the preceding history that caused them.
20160903 17:17:32< celticminstrel> There's a strong link between Islamic religion and Arabic culture, but they are still separable.
20160903 17:17:38< celticminstrel> Especially in a historical context.
20160903 17:17:43< DeFender1031> certainly
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20160903 17:17:57< celticminstrel> And I think the Khalifate are based more on Arabic culture than on Islamic religion.
20160903 17:18:05< celticminstrel> (I guess you'd have to ask noy to be certain.)
20160903 17:18:43< DeFender1031> but there are certain arabic symbols that are in use in the kalifate designs which, as this computer programmer who's not so fond of history understands it, have islamic roots
20160903 17:18:56< DeFender1031> just like the white mage has a cross
20160903 17:19:02< celticminstrel> I haven't noticed, what symbols are these?
20160903 17:19:05< Metamorphosis> as a muslim i believe the khalifate has some islamic symbols
20160903 17:19:24< Metamorphosis> besides , the world khalifate has an islamic meaning.
20160903 17:19:33< celticminstrel> That doesn't sound right.
20160903 17:19:42< DeFender1031> it's just one of those things you accept about fantasy worlds, there are just some things there that have no historical reason to be there except for the fact that they exist in our world.
20160903 17:21:55< DeFender1031> celticminstrel, ah, you're right. the crescent moons and such that i've come across must have been in add-ons' images, not core.
20160903 17:23:22< celticminstrel> "khalifate" likely has an Arabic meaning (maybe similar to English "principality" or "duchy"?), but that's completely different from having an Islamic meaning.
20160903 17:23:44< Metamorphosis> i just hope that the khalifate does not end-up being some undead like(always villian) faction.
20160903 17:23:58< celticminstrel> Of course it wouldn't.
20160903 17:29:10< celticminstrel> DeFender1031: I just checked and didn't find a single cross in the white mage or mage of light sprites or portraits.
20160903 17:29:42< celticminstrel> (Or at least, not a recognizably Christian cross; the MoL's staff tip does somewhat resemble a sun cross.)
20160903 17:31:33< DeFender1031> celticminstrel, are the sprites for 1.13 different than 1.12?
20160903 17:31:39< celticminstrel> (But the staff also has an additional crossbar, so I suspect it's just meant to be a fancier ankh.)
20160903 17:31:48< celticminstrel> I don't think mages have changed, no.
20160903 17:32:06< celticminstrel> A lot of sprites have, but that's not one of them as far as I know.
20160903 17:32:29< DeFender1031> hmm
20160903 17:33:10< DeFender1031> you're right, what i'd interpreted as a cross was actually a cross with a ring at the top instead of another vertical line.
20160903 17:33:21< DeFender1031> which is still pretty close to a cross
20160903 17:33:33< DeFender1031> but does qualify as "not a cross"
20160903 17:33:51< DeFender1031> so fine, I stand corrected
20160903 17:35:14< celticminstrel> It's called an ankh. It's an ancient Egyptian symbol.
20160903 17:39:06< DeFender1031> i know
20160903 17:39:34< celticminstrel> Oh.
20160903 17:39:44< DeFender1031> i was just trying and failing to be funny
20160903 17:39:51< celticminstrel> I see..
20160903 17:40:43< DeFender1031> shoulda just gone with "fine, so they're not christian, they're whatever you call practitioners of ancient egyptian religion"
20160903 17:41:22< DeFender1031> either way, my point still stands. it's a symbol that has specific historic context in our world and has no reason to exist in irdya
20160903 17:41:33< celticminstrel> Well, that much is true.
20160903 17:41:51< DeFender1031> just like horses, certain species of tree, humans, etc. etc.
20160903 17:42:15< DeFender1031> fantasy tends not to concern itself with why things from our world show up there
20160903 17:42:38< celticminstrel> That's not always the case.
20160903 17:43:12< celticminstrel> I guess it's fairly common though...
20160903 17:43:30< celticminstrel> (Though some fantasy is set in alternate Earth, where such explanations aren't necessary.)
20160903 17:44:11< DeFender1031> The "His Dark Materials" trilogy actually does tackle that particular question, though it's not entirely fantasy as fantasy is usually set.
20160903 17:44:22< DeFender1031> right.
20160903 17:44:38< DeFender1031> like that
20160903 17:44:45< celticminstrel> His Dark Materials is alt-Earth, yeah.
20160903 17:44:52< DeFender1031> yep
20160903 17:45:03< DeFender1031> well, quite a few alt-earths actually
20160903 17:45:11< celticminstrel> Actually it's sorta of the alt-history type (what would the world be like if things happened differently).
20160903 17:46:01< celticminstrel> The main characters come from alt-Earths, certainly, but I'm not sure if the other two major worlds are alt-Earths.
20160903 17:47:20< DeFender1031> for example though, narnia has a completely different historical religious context (though aslan basically says he's jesus) and yet there's still christmas
20160903 17:47:54< celticminstrel> True.
20160903 17:48:15< DeFender1031> celticminstrel, it was explicitly said that all the worlds are different alt-earths which split at different times
20160903 17:48:34< celticminstrel> Was it? I'd forgotten.
20160903 17:48:49< celticminstrel> One of them would've had to split millions or billions of years ago though.
20160903 17:49:31< DeFender1031> that was also said, yes
20160903 17:50:06< DeFender1031> there were also at least three or four very main-earth-like worlds in that book
20160903 17:50:51< DeFender1031> though, it doesn't quite explain how a minor difference in evolution would lead to our souls being sentient on their own and living outside our bodies...
20160903 17:51:09< celticminstrel> Possibly the one with little people was very Earth-like, though we didn't see much of it.
20160903 17:51:24< DeFender1031> true, but that's not one of those i was thinking of
20160903 17:51:26< celticminstrel> I guess the knife/spectre one was fairly Earth-like.
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20160903 17:51:53< celticminstrel> I can't think of another one.
20160903 17:52:10< DeFender1031> i was thinking of main-earth, lyra's earth, citagazze (sp?), and i think they ended up going through some unnamed world with a farm in it to get to the land of the dead.
20160903 17:52:57< celticminstrel> Ah, maybe.
20160903 17:53:05< celticminstrel> citagazze = knife-world?
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20160903 17:53:14< DeFender1031> yeah
20160903 17:53:15< DeFender1031> that one
20160903 17:53:32< DeFender1031> it was also just a weird story
20160903 17:53:53< DeFender1031> supposedly for kids, but there was a lot of stuff in there that seems rather adult.
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20160903 21:51:39< janebot> Tweet (by @Wesnoth) @frogatto how goes PAX? [ https://twitter.com/Wesnoth/status/772190342330261504 ]
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