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20160917 17:04:16< DeFender1031> aeth, Re your comment about vversion checking yesterday: that assumes that I have some way to gracefully degrade to the other version. In some cases, I don't.
20160917 17:04:25< DeFender1031> or rather, may not.
20160917 17:04:58< DeFender1031> meaning, if I were to be switching to dev, it'd be because prod is not sufficiently feature-complete.
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20160917 19:17:28< aeth> DeFender1031: you should come up with a way to gracefully degrade imo
20160917 19:17:37< aeth> although to be fair for me it's mostly menus so I can just not have something in a menu
20160917 19:22:30< DeFender1031> aeth, well, for example there's the translation thing that I mentioned yesterday propting the comment. If there's no way to get those translations, then I suppose the "graceful degredation" is showing them untranslated, but that's not really a solution.
20160917 19:22:54< DeFender1031> aeth, speaking of which, you never responded about whether you know how to do so.
20160917 19:29:49< aeth> DeFender1031: I haven't bothered with translations yet, they're at the bottom of my todo
20160917 19:30:04< aeth> I *have* gotten a lot of things translated for free, but I haven't put any work into it.
20160917 19:30:25< aeth> I use the unit definition strings, I think?
20160917 19:30:26< DeFender1031> that's not my question
20160917 19:30:48< aeth> DeFender1031: I haven't put any work into translating my add-on in about 1.5 years
20160917 19:30:56< DeFender1031> whether or not translations exist, a string can be displayed through the translation system or not
20160917 19:30:58< aeth> so I don't know any specifics right now
20160917 19:31:11< DeFender1031> meaning, a "translated string" is a certain data type
20160917 19:31:25< DeFender1031> whether or not it's actually any different than the plain string it represents
20160917 19:31:32< aeth> I'm aware of that, let me look at my add-on in Spanish and see what it has translated
20160917 19:31:44< aeth> I have not translated the species names
20160917 19:31:50< aeth> I didn't get around to that yet
20160917 19:32:17< aeth> it should be possible in theory, and I have most of the unit stuff translated (all except my custom body text)
20160917 19:32:20< DeFender1031> my question is whether you know how to get translated strings for those 5 (well, 4 now that celticminstrel helped with the answer to one of them) pieces of game data
20160917 19:33:27< celticminstrel> What were the five, again...
20160917 19:33:47< celticminstrel> Now that I think of it, it should be possible to get them in Lua/WML even in 1.12.
20160917 19:34:12< aeth> DeFender1031: no, if I haven't done it in my add-on, then I haven't looked into it yet.
20160917 19:34:16< aeth> I only translated the unit stuff
20160917 19:34:50< DeFender1031> celticminstrel, unit.race (which you helped with), unit.gender, unit.alignment, attack.range and attack.type
20160917 19:35:02< aeth> oh actually I did do gender iirc
20160917 19:35:19< celticminstrel> Well, for range and attack type, you can certainly do (in Lua) wesnoth.textdomain("wesnoth")("ranged")
20160917 19:35:31< aeth> also alignment
20160917 19:35:38< aeth> gender and alignment are easy, you just get them from the unit
20160917 19:35:45< aeth> the strings you get are translatable iir
20160917 19:35:46< aeth> *iirc
20160917 19:35:54< DeFender1031> aeth, they are?! they didn't seem to be
20160917 19:36:10< celticminstrel> If they're translatable, type(x) will return "userdata" in Lua.
20160917 19:36:12< aeth> https://github.com/Aethaeryn/wesnoth-umc/blob/master/Aethaeryns_Mod/lua/gui2.lua#L364-L383
20160917 19:36:27< aeth> DeFender1031: unit_data.name and unit_data.alignment are
20160917 19:36:34< aeth> not sure about gender, I actually get that differently
20160917 19:37:11< DeFender1031> name isn't one of the ones i mentioned.
20160917 19:37:15< aeth> permalink in case the file changes: https://github.com/Aethaeryn/wesnoth-umc/blob/372addfaef55d3583c0e53a3b7efae3b50727433/Aethaeryns_Mod/lua/gui2.lua#L364-L383
20160917 19:37:17< celticminstrel> The wesnoth.textdomain(dom)(str) strategy would actually work for any translatable string in a known textdomain.
20160917 19:37:17< DeFender1031> alignment doesn't seem to be
20160917 19:37:34< celticminstrel> The equivalent in WML is to switch textdomains mid-file, or have a file of macros for it.
20160917 19:37:35< DeFender1031> celticminstrel, okay then
20160917 19:37:39< aeth> DeFender1031: unit_data.alignment is *definitely* translated in that function, I just loaded it up in Spanish and got "legal" for mage
20160917 19:37:51< aeth> DeFender1031: oh
20160917 19:38:00< aeth> DeFender1031: What I did was I did tostring(_(unit_data.alignment))
20160917 19:38:03< DeFender1031> aeth, you're passing it to _
20160917 19:38:04< aeth> you're right
20160917 19:38:05< DeFender1031> yeah
20160917 19:38:17< aeth> that's what I did then, I passed it all to _
20160917 19:38:27< celticminstrel> Which is probably wrong.
20160917 19:38:29< aeth> I hate that stupid _ thing, so easy to overlook it
20160917 19:38:35< celticminstrel> You don't want to pass it to _
20160917 19:38:36< DeFender1031> and... yes. i'm an idiot. of course to get the translations, you pass the unstranslated strings to the stranslation function.
20160917 19:38:43< aeth> celticminstrel: it's probably wrong but it works
20160917 19:38:43< celticminstrel> _ represents your own textdomain, usually.
20160917 19:38:58< aeth> at least it works right now
20160917 19:39:05< celticminstrel> If _ represents Wesnoth's textdomain, it feels a bit misleading.
20160917 19:39:13< celticminstrel> But sure, if it works, then great.
20160917 19:39:55< celticminstrel> DeFender1031: wesnoth.textdomain(dom)(str) doesn't translate the string; it's calling tostring on the result that does it.
20160917 19:40:04< celticminstrel> Though anywhere it's displayed that will be done for you.
20160917 19:40:35< aeth> celticminstrel: if there's a better way I'm open to hearing it... that way I can finish translating everything that's translated like e.g. the species names
20160917 19:41:21< celticminstrel> aeth: I don't think there's any better way. If it were me, I'd probably just call _ something else when looking up mainline strings, but whatever.
20160917 19:41:45< aeth> you're probably right
20160917 19:42:26< aeth> most of the middle period of my add-on's code is terribly written because it was more about getting it done than doing it right
20160917 19:42:30< DeFender1031> celticminstrel, interesting. though if it's transparent, it doesn't entirely change its usage, but that's a good point. it returns a userdata of translation string which then needs to be luaified, which happens automatically in MOST contexts. fine.
20160917 19:45:07< DeFender1031> aeth, by "species", you mean race? there's wesnoth.races[unit.race].name
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20160917 19:45:18< DeFender1031> (or the texdomain trick with might be simpler)
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20160917 20:06:53< celticminstrel> Using wesnoth.races does ensure it works with any race, not just mainline.
20160917 20:08:11 * J1sy slaps APic around a bit with a large S60 device
20160917 20:09:15< DeFender1031> celticminstrel, oof. good point. But that could be a problem with attack type and attack range too
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20160917 20:09:39< DeFender1031> probably not with gender or alignment, as i think the acceptable values there are hard-coded and can't be expanded.
20160917 20:10:03< celticminstrel> Yeah.
20160917 20:10:18< celticminstrel> I don't know any way of getting attack type/range in a general way like that.
20160917 20:10:26< DeFender1031> so... how do I do it in such a way that it gets the proper translatio- argh.
20160917 20:10:55< celticminstrel> I suspect extra types/ranges would be rare, so it might not be a huge problem... then again, I haven't done a survey to back up (or dispel) my suspicion.
20160917 20:12:18< DeFender1031> celticminstrel, i have a custom type in my add on, and i know there are a few eras and such that add on such things.
20160917 20:12:43< DeFender1031> the translations for those are centrally available in the toplevel language tag
20160917 20:13:01< DeFender1031> the only question is whether there's a way to access that from lua
20160917 20:13:04< celticminstrel> I did add a custom range in DruidSiege sequel (which I might actually consider switching to 1.13 for).
20160917 20:13:13< celticminstrel> I know of no way to access it from Lua.
20160917 20:13:20< DeFender1031> :/
20160917 20:13:31< celticminstrel> I suppose for 1.13 a key could be added to the type proxy, though I'm not actually sure how the game handles that.
20160917 20:19:06< DeFender1031> celticminstrel, UPP accesses that information somehow.
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