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20160922 13:18:47< Kwandulin> zookeeper: any plan about when to finish the southern map?
20160922 13:33:22< zookeeper> well, no plan but probably soonish
20160922 13:33:27< zookeeper> since there isn't really much left
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20160922 16:03:39< DeFender> is there a deselect event?
20160922 16:08:55< zookeeper> evidently not
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20160922 16:36:52< DeFender> poo.
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20160922 18:56:44< Gyra> Greetings!
20160922 19:03:12< zookeeper> yes
20160922 19:04:04< Gyra> How is it going?
20160922 19:04:30 * zookeeper has been a bit busy to do a lot of the unit descriptions stuff
20160922 19:05:28< zookeeper> i wonder if that reads right. i mean, the reason i haven't done a lot of that is because i've been a bit busy, not that i've been a bit busy doing that.
20160922 19:05:49< Gyra> Hahah don't worry, it's not a pressing thing at all
20160922 19:06:39< zookeeper> yeah
20160922 19:07:22< Gyra> I have also been too distracted to /finish/ writing all of those descriptions so it goes both ways XD
20160922 19:08:25< Gyra> (we're basically going to need a campaign with nagas in a major role for me to be satisfied I can write a good enough race desc for them ^^)
20160922 19:14:48< zookeeper> clearly someone needs to make an ensemble campaign with nagas, saurians, ogres, gryphons, woses and tentacles of the deep in the main roles
20160922 19:21:18< Gyra> well actually
20160922 19:21:33< Gyra> my thought was a campaign happening on the Great Continent before Haldric
20160922 19:24:04< Gyra> mostly concerning the first big conflict between dwarves and elves, but with nagas bringing together the saurians, trolls, and ogres to try and get their own thing done
20160922 19:25:02< Gyra> and to me they actually make the most sense as the point of view characters for that
20160922 19:26:49< Gyra> for whatever reason i sort of like the idea of nagas being very opportunistic and ambitious in the face of events much bigger than they are
20160922 19:30:26< zookeeper> i see both nagas and saurians in a pretty similar fashion
20160922 19:30:55< zookeeper> maybe that's because they always tend to appear in the same role :p
20160922 19:34:39< Gyra> they're both kinda amphibious reptilians who are very often in a brigand/mercenary role and rarely characterized as being much else besides that, with some intriguing plot hooks that kind of aren't followed up on? :P
20160922 19:36:03< Gyra> and their primary representatives both fulfill a gameplay purpose of being fast light infantry with a supportive 4-4 attack?
20160922 19:36:55< zookeeper> yeah all that might have something to do with it
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20160922 20:10:17< celticminstrel> I think nagas probably live in lakes and rivers or along the coast, while saurians prefer swamps.
20160922 20:10:44< celticminstrel> It would make sense for them to have significant contact.
20160922 20:11:12< celticminstrel> Conflict between them on issues specific to them seems fairly unlikely.
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20160922 20:50:50< Gyra> yeah I imagine they have okay relations but no formal alliance
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20160922 21:16:50< DeFender> Gyra, I imagine they work together when it suits their mutual benefit, and ignore each other when it doesn't.
20160922 21:17:36< Gyra> like many would! ^^
20160922 21:17:49< DeFender> dang, vultraz is right. We really do need more lore.
20160922 21:18:15< DeFender> need more fleshing out of the beliefs and personalities of each race
20160922 21:18:43< DeFender> for example, sometimes drakes are portrayed as noble creatures and other times they're aggressive and adversrial
20160922 21:19:46< DeFender> (Don't ask me for specific examples. I spent a year playing all 16 mainline campaigns and don't remember what's from which.)
20160922 21:23:09< DeFender> Also the question of whether there's a relation between drakes and dragons, which has come up here before. As I recall, our resident northland bard didn't think there was, yet the animal caretaker believed that there was, as did I.
20160922 21:35:13< noy> a lot of it has been forgotten 
20160922 21:35:27< noy> or were lightly sketched out and then not used
20160922 21:35:55< DeFender> noy, Watsonian or Doylist?
20160922 21:36:12< noy> ?
20160922 21:36:34< DeFender> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WatsonianVersusDoylist
20160922 21:36:36< noy> I’m not quite familiar with those terms
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20160922 21:45:56< zookeeper> i don't really recall anything specific about drakes-and-dragons
20160922 21:46:18< zookeeper> from the times we were writing the race descriptions
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20160922 21:49:33< aeth> I have my own characterizations of everything that I personally keep in mind when working on my add-on(s). It's not mainline, anyway.
20160922 21:50:34< aeth> My backstories (not really written anywhere atm) to explain motivations are less boring standard fantasy than mainline.
20160922 21:51:00< aeth> No need to match Wesnoth lore if it's not a mainline thing.
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20160922 22:55:58< DeFender> zookeeper, from 1.12: "Were it not for the armor they wear, certain drakes might be indistinguishable from true dragons, at least to the lesser races for whom dragons are but legend." and "Drakes are large, winged and fire-breathing creatures, reminiscent of true dragons." So nothing saying they're related, though there seems to be some implication of similarity at least.
20160922 23:02:41< Gyra> In one ending of the Drake campaign I'm planning, I kind of want the main character to actually become a Fire Dragon so you can play around with one of those in the final battle
20160922 23:22:35< DeFender> Giving a human player a fire dragon is kinda OP
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20160922 23:52:20< aeth> Yes. Unless you pick enemies that play to the unit's weakness that are lvl 3-5. Even then, though, there's the OP movement for a unit that's not a fragile scout.
20160922 23:53:55< aeth> And it's not very fun if you have an explicitly countered OP unit you can't use.
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