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20161008 04:17:13< edaq> hey
20161008 04:17:21< edaq> anyone know if the server for addons is down
20161008 04:17:30< edaq> me and some others got a connection denied thing
20161008 04:18:08< edaq> if anyone can let me know if its a blocker thing
20161008 04:18:20< edaq> I can get a better IP if needed
20161008 04:18:26< edaq> it wasn't just me
20161008 04:18:33< edaq> it was other users also
20161008 04:21:24< celticminstrel> edaq: This page should answer your question: http://status.wesnoth.org/
20161008 04:21:30< celticminstrel> Looks like it is indeed down.
20161008 04:21:58< celticminstrel> (And that's the place you should generally go to answer such questions. :) )
20161008 04:22:05< edaq> thanks celticminstrel )
20161008 04:22:11< edaq> I did not know :)
20161008 04:22:12< edaq> ty
20161008 04:23:06< celticminstrel> If you want to download something you can still do so from https://addons.wesnoth.org/1.12/
20161008 04:23:22< edaq> ah nice thanks :)
20161008 04:23:33< celticminstrel> Not as convenient, though.
20161008 04:23:53< edaq> wesnoth is one of the best tbs I have ever played tbh
20161008 04:24:06< celticminstrel> Took me a moment to figure out "tbs".
20161008 04:24:12< edaq> if you are a dev I compliment you
20161008 04:24:21< edaq> tbh
20161008 04:24:22< edaq> lol
20161008 04:24:24< edaq> to be honest
20161008 04:24:41< celticminstrel> I have no part in anything in Wesnoth 1.12.
20161008 04:24:45< celticminstrel> ^had
20161008 04:24:53< celticminstrel> Except of course my campaign on the addons server.
20161008 04:25:26< edaq> ah 
20161008 04:25:36< edaq> I meant the game in general :)
20161008 04:25:45< edaq> I played it years ago in single player only
20161008 04:25:55< edaq> lived in an area with no internet
20161008 04:26:01< edaq> best single player campaigns
20161008 04:26:04< celticminstrel> I'm saying I had no part in developing the game (until very recently).
20161008 04:26:07< edaq> ah
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20161008 05:11:19< halp> hello
20161008 05:11:30< halp> Am I the only one here?
20161008 05:12:33< Kwandulin> No
20161008 05:13:08< halp> can i ask a question?
20161008 05:13:14< edaq> sue
20161008 05:13:16< Kwandulin> Sure
20161008 05:13:21< edaq> thats what irc is for :)
20161008 05:13:39< halp> i can't get the add-on to work
20161008 05:13:46< Kwandulin> Yeah, the add-on server is currently down, see: http://status.wesnoth.org/
20161008 05:14:04< Kwandulin> In case you're Phen from the forums
20161008 05:15:22< halp> ah thank you
20161008 05:15:33< halp> I"m not him, but was wondering if t was me or the server
20161008 05:15:57< edaq> oh btw halp on freenode etc expect a slightly slow response ;)
20161008 05:16:02< edaq> ask and wait
20161008 05:16:03< edaq> slowmo
20161008 05:16:08< edaq> slowmotion
20161008 05:16:35< halp> ok, no problem. total irc noob here
20161008 05:16:41< edaq> lol
20161008 05:16:45< edaq> welcome to irc halp :)
20161008 05:16:53< halp> thanks~
20161008 05:17:24< halp> are the add-on servers often down? How soon od you think it will be back up?
20161008 05:20:33< edaq> oh
20161008 05:20:34< edaq> halp, 
20161008 05:20:36< edaq> I am not sure
20161008 05:20:39< edaq> they are up often
20161008 05:20:47< edaq> tonight is the first time I noticed them down
20161008 05:20:59< edaq> (but I dont download add-ons much)
20161008 05:21:05< halp> Ok, great! Thanks for info!
20161008 05:21:13< edaq> yw halp 
20161008 05:21:20< edaq> be sure to favorite our channel :)
20161008 05:23:08< halp> will do!
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20161008 16:29:36< Nikitaw99> hi
20161008 16:38:39< DeFender1031> hello
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20161008 16:45:40< DeFender1031> Nikitaw99, bringing this here from the dev channel: You can enable debug mode by either typing ":debug" or launching wesnoth with the "-d" flag.
20161008 16:46:23< DeFender1031> Nikitaw99, I would also mention that the dev channel is generally for official development, so you're probably better off asking your questions here.
20161008 16:49:15< Nikitaw99> DeFender1031: oh, okay
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20161008 16:57:08< hay207> Hi, the addons server has issues
20161008 16:57:32< zookeeper> known
20161008 17:00:46< hay207> Ok
20161008 17:12:25< DeFender1031> Apparently there's a page to check if the servers are working. Apparently it's linked to in the channel's topic. Apparently it's http://status.wesnoth.org/
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20161008 17:14:18< hay207> Ok
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20161008 17:38:43< Nikitaw99> hm...
20161008 17:39:01< Nikitaw99> I wanted to know, I sorta wanna make a branching path in the story of my campaign
20161008 17:39:29< Nikitaw99> I am planning to make a choice between two things, choice a will lead to chapter2a, while choice b will lead to chapter2b
20161008 17:39:41< Nikitaw99> I kinda wanna know how to do it...
20161008 17:39:55< Nikitaw99> After all, I can't change the next scenario midgame, can I?
20161008 17:40:00< zookeeper> so why not look how a scenario that does it does it?
20161008 17:40:03< zookeeper> and yes of course you can
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20161008 17:40:49< Nikitaw99> I remember a scenario from heir to the throne having that choice...
20161008 17:40:52< Nikitaw99> i'll check it
20161008 17:43:22< Nikitaw99> mmm
20161008 17:43:32< Nikitaw99> I just found a [role] tag, can anybody tell me what does it do?
20161008 17:43:54< Nikitaw99> type=[list of various units]
20161008 17:43:59< Nikitaw99> role=Supporter
20161008 17:44:13< zookeeper> do you know how to find its description in the wiki?
20161008 17:44:16< Nikitaw99> it apparently counts as a valid speaker in a [message] tag...
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20161008 18:39:28< DeFender1031> is there a way to check the name of the next scenario from lua?
20161008 18:41:23< celticminstrel> Good question!
20161008 18:41:40< celticminstrel> There might be a wesnoth.get_next_scenario?
20161008 18:42:01< celticminstrel> I seem to recall that the next scenario isn't part of the "endlevel data".
20161008 18:42:30< DeFender1031> "endlevel data"?
20161008 18:46:00< celticminstrel> Basically a chunk of settings used by the game to determine the outcome of a scenario.
20161008 18:46:18< DeFender1031> okay...
20161008 18:46:23< celticminstrel> It's maybe about half of the stuff in the [endlevel] tag.
20161008 18:46:48< DeFender1031> well you CAN pass an alternate next scenario to the [endlevel] tag
20161008 18:46:54< celticminstrel> (I'm not really sure why only half. Logically you'd probably expect everything in [endlevel] to be part of the "endlevel data".)
20161008 18:47:00< celticminstrel> Yeah, I know.
20161008 18:47:12< DeFender1031> (it's actually how to accomplish Nikita's question from earlier)
20161008 18:47:16< celticminstrel> Yeah, I know.
20161008 18:47:45< DeFender1031> okay... so then what bearing does this have on data's availability from lua?
20161008 18:48:13< DeFender1031> and i checked, in 1.13 there's a wesnoth.set_next_scenario, but no getter.
20161008 18:48:25< DeFender1031> (and doesn't help me in 1.12 anyway)
20161008 18:50:17< celticminstrel> Oh well.
20161008 18:53:01< DeFender1031> argh! why is there so much game data that isn't accessible from lua?
20161008 18:53:09< DeFender1031> (or wml)
20161008 18:53:24< DeFender1031> (don't really care where i can get it from just as long as i can get it somehow)
20161008 18:54:34< celticminstrel> It's basically equivalent.
20161008 19:01:01< DeFender1031> nah, there's tonsof stuff you can only get from lua, and a few things you need to use wml (or the lua calls to wml) for
20161008 19:01:26< celticminstrel> I suppose.
20161008 19:03:13< DeFender1031> but whatever, now that i know both, i can work with anything so long as it's actually available.
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20161008 22:46:20< DeFender1031> is there a way (in lua) to iterate over all keys of a cfg? "for k,v in pairs(cfg)" tells me that it's a userdata and can't iterate properly.
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20161008 22:47:35< zookeeper> i know you can iterate over child tags, but dunno if the same applies to keys
20161008 22:48:22< DeFender1031> you can only do that with either numbers or the helper functions which use numbers internally. ipairs doesn't work
20161008 22:48:38< DeFender1031> but helper doesn't seem to include an equivalent of pairs
20161008 22:49:26< DeFender1031> (its ipairs equivalent is also not exactly the same, but it returns tag sub-cfgs rather than the multi-level table thingy that is considered a "wml table")
20161008 22:49:41< DeFender1031> but i see nothing for iterating over pairs
20161008 22:51:24< DeFender1031> i'm trying to create a function to add features to a certain wml action, but in doing so, I need to call the built-in action with a slightly modified cfg (since my replacement function is handling some of the features and I don't want them to be double-handled).
20161008 22:51:44< DeFender1031> it doesn't let me modify the cfg, and it doesn't let me iterate over it to copy it
20161008 22:52:21< DeFender1031> i COULD manually copy all keys and children I know are relevant to the action, but that's very un-future proof.
20161008 22:53:42< DeFender1031> hmm... apparently 1.13.2 and later DOES now allow iterating on a cfg
20161008 22:55:53< celticminstrel> In 1.13 you can do "for k,v in pairs(cfg)", yes. In 1.12 you could do "for k,v in pairs(cfg.__literal)" if you don't mind substituting all variables right up front.
20161008 22:56:00< DeFender1031> ah, interesting. found a workaround. looks like cfg.__literal is a raw table, so i can
20161008 22:56:02< DeFender1031> yeah
20161008 22:56:05< DeFender1031> what you just said.
20161008 22:56:35< celticminstrel> I think you can also use "for i = 1, #cfg" if you only need child nodes (and not attributes).
20161008 22:56:40< DeFender1031> celticminstrel, well, more than that, i can iterale through __literal by key, but actually transfer the member from the cfg.
20161008 22:57:12< DeFender1031> yeah, that's trivial
20161008 22:57:16< celticminstrel> True, though that'd end up evaluating variable substitutions twice.
20161008 22:57:26< DeFender1031> what do you mean?
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