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20161101 01:33:31< can-ned_brains> hey, so if it wasn't for my idiocy, DeFender1031, you wouldn't've learned something new
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20161101 01:52:51< backnforth> Hi, does no one play on the developmenet version?
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20161101 08:19:57< Nikitaw99> hi!
20161101 08:20:33< Nikitaw99> i want to know how to make the ai target a specific unit
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20161101 08:42:52< Nikitaw99> mmmmmmm
20161101 08:42:53< Nikitaw99> so
20161101 08:43:04< Nikitaw99> can anyone help me with something?
20161101 08:43:43< Nikitaw99> i would like to add an objective into the objectives list on a specific turn
20161101 08:43:47< Nikitaw99> i am not sure what to do
20161101 08:46:37< zookeeper> use [show_if] to make the objective appear only after the turn_number variable is greater than X
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20161101 08:51:46< Nikitaw99> hm, ok
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20161101 09:18:17< Nikitaw99> i have another question though
20161101 09:18:41< Nikitaw99> i want it to be added at side 2's 2nd turn
20161101 09:19:17< Nikitaw99> and not just at the 2nd turn
20161101 09:21:31< zookeeper> well then you need to set a variable at side 2's 2nd turn and have the objective check that
20161101 09:23:20< Nikitaw99> i am not sure how the [show_if] tag works though
20161101 09:23:29< Nikitaw99> is it like the [if] tag?
20161101 09:23:42< Nikitaw99> or do i need to add the [if] tag inside?
20161101 09:23:52< zookeeper> why are you asking me?
20161101 09:23:56< zookeeper> just check
20161101 09:24:39< Nikitaw99> "[show_if]: A condition that disables the objective if it doesn't hold. Conditional objectives are refreshed at [show_objectives] time only."
20161101 09:24:49< Nikitaw99> doesnt say anything else about the tag
20161101 09:24:50< Nikitaw99> :|
20161101 09:26:03< zookeeper> right
20161101 09:26:06< zookeeper> it takes this stuff: https://wiki.wesnoth.org/ConditionalActionsWML#Condition_Tags
20161101 09:27:44< Nikitaw99> thank you zookeeper 
20161101 09:28:55< Nikitaw99> i am not sure how to check multiple conditions in WML, though...
20161101 09:30:41< zookeeper> just put in multiple condition tags, that's all
20161101 09:33:50< Nikitaw99> ok
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20161101 09:38:24< Nikitaw99> anyway, does [show_objectives] literally show the current objectives?
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20161101 09:38:59< zookeeper> yes
20161101 09:39:21< Nikitaw99> thank you
20161101 09:45:27< Nikitaw99> so
20161101 09:45:33< Nikitaw99> if the conditions are met
20161101 09:45:49< Nikitaw99> then the contents of the [then] tag are executed?
20161101 09:46:01< Nikitaw99> (damn thats alot of "the"s
20161101 09:46:03< Nikitaw99> )
20161101 09:48:50< Nikitaw99> the [then] ag is not needed inside [show_if], right?
20161101 09:48:55< Nikitaw99> tag*
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20161101 13:55:53< Nikitaw99> mmmmmm
20161101 13:56:13< Nikitaw99> how do I make the AI target a specific tile?
20161101 13:57:13< Nikitaw99> on a specific turn, though
20161101 13:59:01< mattsc> Nikitaw99: that question’s too vague to give you a useful answer.  Can you provide more information as to what you actually want to happen?
20161101 14:19:17< Nikitaw99> mattsc: I want the Orcs (controlled by the AI) try to get to a specific tile to "Burn" the elvish forest.
20161101 14:20:59< mattsc> There are still a whole lot of different possibilities of accomplishing this.
20161101 14:21:10< mattsc> Are they to be “released” when they get there?
20161101 14:21:37< mattsc> Are they to go there no matter what, ignoring attacks etc. or just mainly be moving in that direction?
20161101 14:22:02< Nikitaw99> mainly moving into that direction
20161101 14:23:04< mattsc> Well, I am still guessing here as to what exactly you want, but you might want to look at this: https://wiki.wesnoth.org/AiWML#AI_Targets_and_Goals
20161101 14:23:17< mattsc> Make sure to read the two intro paragraphs though!
20161101 14:23:27< mattsc> carefully
20161101 14:23:45< mattsc> People more often than not get confused about what an AI target/goal is.
20161101 14:27:42< Nikitaw99> how do i apply it to a specific side, again?
20161101 14:28:34< mattsc> Umm, it goes into the [ai] tag of the side (inside the [side] tag).
20161101 14:29:04< mattsc> As shown in the examples in that section.
20161101 14:32:09< Nikitaw99> I want it to be only applied on a specific turn...
20161101 14:32:19< Nikitaw99> Well, starting from a specific turn.
20161101 14:34:19< mattsc> Then you need to do what it tells you at the link in the first section on that page about changing aspects and goals mid scenario.
20161101 14:36:15< Nikitaw99> Which, to be specific? "AI Configuration?
20161101 14:36:38< Nikitaw99> i am a bit confused
20161101 14:37:31< mattsc> It is always dangerous to read bits an pieces of instructions, esp. when it comes to the AI.  You might just have to do a bit of background reading.
20161101 14:38:03< mattsc> But in this case, I am talking about the link to Instructions for “changing aspects and goals mid scenario” at the beginning of the page I linked to earlier.
20161101 14:38:56< mattsc> And if you click on that, there’s a section a bit down on the page it links to called “modifying goals”
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20161101 14:42:48< Nikitaw99> oh
20161101 14:42:54< Nikitaw99> well, Ctrl+F helped
20161101 14:44:24< mattsc> Btw, I am not trying to be mean or grumpy here or anything, but you’ll learn a lot more if I let you figure it out yourself rather than just telling you the answer.  It will help in the future, trust me.  :)
20161101 14:45:25< mattsc> And it really helps to do some background reading on how the AI actually works for these kinds of things.
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20161101 15:20:37< Nikitaw99> do variables last for multiple scenarios?
20161101 15:20:54< Nikitaw99> (sort of a stupid question actually, but I am just not sure)
20161101 15:28:46< Nikitaw99> anyway
20161101 15:29:05< Nikitaw99> Is there an Elvish Civillian unit in mainline?
20161101 15:31:56< Nikitaw99> i really need it...
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20161101 15:40:05< Nikitaw99> wb mattsc 
20161101 15:40:29< Nikitaw99> wanted to ask a question, is there a elvish civilian unit in mainline?
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20161101 15:41:37< Nikitaw99> (and what is the difference between 'role' and 'id'?)
20161101 15:41:37< mattsc> Hi Nikitaw99: not that I am aware of.
20161101 15:41:44< Nikitaw99> oh
20161101 15:41:58< mattsc> that was on the elvish civilian, not role vs. id
20161101 15:42:06< Nikitaw99> yeah, ok
20161101 15:42:26< Nikitaw99> Though when should I use role?
20161101 15:42:46< Nikitaw99> since both id and role can be used in [message] tags
20161101 15:42:48< mattsc> id is, well, the id of a unit.  Role is something you can assign to one or several units using the [role] tag.
20161101 15:42:54< Nikitaw99> oh
20161101 15:42:59< Nikitaw99> hm...
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20161101 15:43:28< Nikitaw99> so, a different unit speaks in the [message] tag each time out of several units?
20161101 15:43:37< mattsc> You can use role when you want to pick a unit, but either don’t know up front exactly which one, or don’t want to specify one specifically
20161101 15:44:46< mattsc> If I remember correctly, the role is assigned uniquely, once the [role] tag has been processed.
20161101 15:45:54< mattsc> So, you can use [role] to choose “any of the trolls of the side” (as an example), but once it’s assigned, it’s always the same troll that speaks.
20161101 15:46:07< mattsc> I think.  It’s been a while...
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20161101 16:03:05< Nikitaw99> Hm...
20161101 16:03:31< Nikitaw99> Okay, so there are no Elvish Civilian units in mainline, but I think there is one in The Golden Age.
20161101 16:04:58< Nikitaw99> I want to know how to use the variant of the Elvish Civilian unit from The Golden Age addon...
20161101 16:05:25< Nikitaw99> So that it doesn't mistake it as the Elvish Civilian unit from another addon
20161101 16:07:48< Nikitaw99> is there any way to do so?
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20161101 17:25:15< Nikitaw99> I have a question...
20161101 17:25:30< Nikitaw99> Is there any way to check if all units of a side are dead?
20161101 17:25:49< Nikitaw99> because I don't see such event in the wiki...
20161101 17:25:52< zookeeper> [if] [not] [have_unit] side=2
20161101 17:26:57< Nikitaw99> (i want it to check every turn)
20161101 17:27:03< Nikitaw99> anyway, thanks.
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20161101 17:53:44< Nikitaw99> Ok, so I want the elves (side 3 (controlled by ai)) to protect a specific tile, but while also not go anywhere 5 tiles from it
20161101 17:54:04< Nikitaw99> i've already set the goal of elves to protect it
20161101 17:54:14< Nikitaw99> but i dont have any idea how to do the latter
20161101 17:58:50< celticminstrel> Instead of a goal, you might want a micro AI.
20161101 17:59:03< celticminstrel> I think there's one called "zone guardian" which might suit your purposes.
20161101 18:04:00< Nikitaw99> celticminstrel: Thank you! Nearly added it.
20161101 18:04:45< celticminstrel> What?
20161101 18:04:49< celticminstrel> Nearly added it?
20161101 18:04:59< celticminstrel> That implies that you didn't add it.
20161101 18:09:08< Nikitaw99> well now i did
20161101 18:09:21< Nikitaw99> gonna do some debugging
20161101 18:16:21< Nikitaw99> http://i.imgur.com/2TtqeVa.png
20161101 18:16:46< Nikitaw99> [filter_location]x,y=10-21,1-7[/filter_location]
20161101 18:16:55< Nikitaw99> they still rush into battle...
20161101 18:18:13< Nikitaw99> https://bpaste.net/show/f87d0ffc5997
20161101 18:20:03< Nikitaw99> i am not sure what the problem is
20161101 18:24:26< Nikitaw99> can anyone help?
20161101 18:25:25< celticminstrel> You put [micro_ai] in a prestart event?
20161101 18:25:43< Nikitaw99> celticminstrel: I put it into a [side] tag...
20161101 18:25:53< celticminstrel> That's your problem then.
20161101 18:26:05< celticminstrel> [micro_ai] is currently only an ActionWML tag.
20161101 18:26:18< celticminstrel> Unlike [modify_ai] which works in [side][ai].
20161101 18:26:22< Nikitaw99> so, It must be in a prestart or start event?
20161101 18:26:53< celticminstrel> Generally prestart, but yeah. Start would work too, as long as the event triggers before the AI's turn.
20161101 18:27:05< celticminstrel> Which start does.
20161101 18:27:28< celticminstrel> The latest you could do it would be "side n turn 1" where n is the AI's side.
20161101 18:27:32< celticminstrel> I think.
20161101 18:30:42< Nikitaw99> celticminstrel: Thank you! Works perfectly now. http://i.imgur.com/96IxGpn.png
20161101 18:31:37< celticminstrel> Yay!
20161101 18:31:50< celticminstrel> I wish [micro_ai] could be allowed in [side][ai] though.
20161101 18:42:44< Nikitaw99> same
20161101 18:46:21< Nikitaw99> Ok, I've got: guess what, ANOTHER QUESTION
20161101 18:46:35< Nikitaw99> ;)
20161101 18:46:40< Nikitaw99> anyway
20161101 18:47:20< Nikitaw99> there are two units in my scenario that belong to the elves (side 3 (controlled by AI))...
20161101 18:48:00< Nikitaw99> ...that I want the player to get control of (if they are still alive) in the next scenario
20161101 18:49:06< Nikitaw99> question: how do i make the player get control of those units (if they are still alive) in the next scenario
20161101 18:50:51< celticminstrel> The way I do such things is usually to change their side in the victory event.
20161101 18:50:57< celticminstrel> Using [modify_unit].
20161101 18:51:25< celticminstrel> ...wait, have I actually done that? Not sure. But it's how I would do it at least.
20161101 18:54:06< Nikitaw99> (woah freenode webchat underlined "would")
20161101 18:54:19< celticminstrel> That's because I underlined it.
20161101 18:56:19< Nikitaw99> *how*
20161101 18:57:36< celticminstrel> Cmd+U on my client. I'm not sure if the webchat supports it.
20161101 18:57:41< celticminstrel> Cmd+B for bold.
20161101 18:57:54< celticminstrel> Colours are also supported but I generally don't use them.
20161101 18:58:09< Nikitaw99> well, the webchat doesnt support it
20161101 18:58:18< celticminstrel> It'd probably be Ctrl+U if it did.
20161101 18:58:18< Nikitaw99> ctrl+u opened the website's source
20161101 18:58:22< celticminstrel> Yeah, okay.
20161101 18:58:30< Nikitaw99> ctrl+b opened the bookmark panel
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20161101 19:13:59< Nikitaw99> tbh macros are the best thing ever
20161101 19:14:24< Nikitaw99> they are VERY VERY VERY useful
20161101 19:15:12< Nikitaw99> i've created a macro to make wolf rider reinforcements
20161101 19:15:32< Nikitaw99> since I will have alot of those wolf rider reinforcements
20161101 19:17:05< celticminstrel> Your opinion is opposite to most other people's.
20161101 19:17:29< celticminstrel> Well, most other people I talk to regularly.
20161101 19:17:47< celticminstrel> (That said, there's no chance of them being removed or anything, so feel free to continue using them.)
20161101 19:18:11< Nikitaw99> anyway
20161101 19:18:34< Nikitaw99> wait nvm
20161101 19:20:03< celticminstrel> For ActionWML it's probably better to create a custom WML tag than to use a macro (though that requires Lua, so it might be harder).
20161101 19:20:22< celticminstrel> Someone did propose a WML tag to create new WML tags...
20161101 19:21:23< Nikitaw99> thats a bit meta
20161101 19:21:35< Nikitaw99> a wml tag that creates wml tags
20161101 19:21:41< celticminstrel> But it would be pretty useful, no?
20161101 19:21:46< Nikitaw99> it would
20161101 19:22:05< celticminstrel> You can actually create such a tag right now if you understand Lua.
20161101 19:22:55< Nikitaw99> the preprocessor comment thingys really remind me of c++
20161101 19:23:08< celticminstrel> What?
20161101 19:23:19< Nikitaw99> you know, stuff like #define
20161101 19:23:26< Nikitaw99> and #ifdef
20161101 19:23:34< celticminstrel> Well, it's pretty much like C++ in that it's simple text substitution.
20161101 19:23:49< Nikitaw99> ;p
20161101 19:28:06< celticminstrel> Someone even did it already: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?23841
20161101 19:29:07< celticminstrel> (Though I might do it a bit differently.)
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20161101 19:32:51< Nikitaw99> i still like macros more though
20161101 19:33:20< Nikitaw99> link to all the macro descriptions (on the wiki) please? I can't find it...
20161101 19:33:30< celticminstrel> I dislike macros precisely because they are simple text substitution.
20161101 19:33:53< celticminstrel> The macros aren't documented on the wiki. Instead they have a page somewhere.
20161101 19:34:05< Nikitaw99> nvm, found them
20161101 19:34:06< celticminstrel> It's linked probably from someplace like PreprocessorWML? Not quite sure though.
20161101 19:34:10< Nikitaw99> https://www.wesnoth.org/macro-reference.xhtml
20161101 19:34:19< Nikitaw99> it's linked in https://wiki.wesnoth.org/BuildingScenarios
20161101 19:35:20< Ravana_> I believe it only includes macros that are documented
20161101 19:35:59< Nikitaw99> Ravana_: As I can see, your statement is correct.
20161101 19:36:16< Nikitaw99> for example, MENU_IMG_TXT2 is not documented
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20161101 20:03:43< Nikitaw99> how do I change a unit's side again?
20161101 20:05:50< Nikitaw99> and how do I give a weapon to a unit?
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