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20161106 00:02:30< wingsfalcon1> sadown i send pm in forum, so unban me?
20161106 00:02:44< zookeeper> no one will unban you
20161106 00:02:56< wingsfalcon1> why?
20161106 00:02:59< zookeeper> no one will unban you
20161106 00:03:39< wingsfalcon1> why? 
20161106 00:04:21< zookeeper> you are unable to comprehend even the utterly simple sentences which explaining it would require
20161106 00:04:29< zookeeper> so no can do
20161106 00:05:18< wingsfalcon1> >< i sadly
20161106 00:07:01< shadowm> Yes, you sent a PM to me on the forums. And on IRC. And also asked me to unban you here.
20161106 00:07:03< wingsfalcon1> Ravan_ plesase unban me
20161106 00:07:09< shadowm> Several times.
20161106 00:07:21-!- mode/#wesnoth [+o shadowm] by ChanServ
20161106 00:07:21< wingsfalcon1> yes i am wingsfalcon
20161106 00:07:32-!- mode/#wesnoth [+b *!*@*114.125.*] by shadowm
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20161106 00:09:32< shadowm> At this point it feels like he's insulting my intelligence rather than trying to get help, so even if he's a victim of an overly broad ban I can't feel inclined to acquiesce.
20161106 00:10:44< zookeeper> everything so far has given me reason to suspect that he's not the person who's supposed to be banned.
20161106 00:10:48< zookeeper> err
20161106 00:10:53< zookeeper> s/everything/nothing
20161106 00:30:33< loonycyborg> probably someone told him that he's a noob and he didn't take it well :P
20161106 00:32:07< zookeeper> "n00bs" refers to a playername, not behavior :p
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20161106 00:52:00< DeFender1031> well, no one can accuse shadowm of simply refusing to help because he's an english-speaking elitist who hates non-native speakers...
20161106 00:53:23< shadowm> If you can't write articulate sentences your approach to this is never "spam the same person through three different communication channels until they accede to your unjustified request".
20161106 00:53:56< shadowm> The exact same message each time. no less.
20161106 00:54:07< DeFender1031> agreed 100%
20161106 00:54:51< zookeeper> the #1 thing people who want to get their bans lifted tend to do is play dumb, usually excessively so
20161106 00:54:56< DeFender1031> it's just ironic that the conversation COULD have been read that way, but since I know your first language isn't english, I know that's clearly not what happened.
20161106 00:55:29< DeFender1031> zookeeper, also true. I've seen plenty of that.
20161106 00:57:30< DeFender1031> zookeeper, for example, see how much of this converstaion you can stand without losing brain cells https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:BigHaz/Archive_17#An_important_unblock
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20161106 01:26:08< janebot> wesnoth: The beginning of my new Wesnoth lets play! (by /u/rednico6) https://redd.it/5bdefu
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20161106 01:41:59< lamefun> what's the whole "benefit" of lazily-localized strings?
20161106 01:42:19< lamefun> all I get from them is type(v) == 'string' mismatches...
20161106 01:42:27< lamefun> nothing good comes from them
20161106 01:43:22< DeFender1031> oh good. lamefun's back to call us all martian aliens from outer space again.
20161106 01:43:51< DeFender1031> lamefun, try running tostring on them if you need real string
20161106 01:43:54< DeFender1031> s
20161106 01:48:10< celticminstrel> lamefun: You can detect them with getmetatable().
20161106 01:48:21< celticminstrel> It should return something like 'translatable string' IIRC
20161106 01:48:31< lamefun> ?
20161106 01:48:36< celticminstrel> I have no idea what benefit there is.
20161106 01:49:04< celticminstrel> lamefun: Something like getmetatable(_"stuff") == "translatable string"?
20161106 01:49:18< lamefun> ????
20161106 01:49:32< lamefun> isn't metatable supposed to be a table?
20161106 01:49:41< celticminstrel> Well, usually it is.
20161106 01:49:53< celticminstrel> But if the metatable contains a __metatable key, it returns that instead.
20161106 01:50:16< lamefun> but "translatable string" is a string, it has no keys...
20161106 01:50:25< celticminstrel> Yes.
20161106 01:50:32< celticminstrel> What about it?
20161106 01:50:52< celticminstrel> getmetatable() doesn't always return the metatable, basically.
20161106 01:51:56< lamefun> of course... I forgot that Lua is developerd by space aliens from Mars...
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20161106 01:54:02< celticminstrel> And thus DeFender1031's prediction is true.
20161106 01:54:08< celticminstrel> (Close enough)
20161106 01:55:42 * DeFender1031 shakes head chuckling bemusedly.
20161106 01:56:29< celticminstrel> (To get the real metatable you can use debug.getmetatable... or you could if Wesnoth didn't remove it, at least.)
20161106 01:56:58< celticminstrel> (At least, I think it does?)
20161106 01:57:15< celticminstrel> (Makes sense to IMO.)
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20161106 02:03:03< DeFender1031> celticminstrel, is there no metatable key to override the return of something from type()?
20161106 02:03:25< DeFender1031> seems odd to use the metatable for that
20161106 02:03:31< celticminstrel> Unfortunately not. It'll just return "table" or "userdata".
20161106 02:03:38< celticminstrel> Though you could probably replace the "type" function.
20161106 02:03:48< DeFender1031> hmm
20161106 02:04:20< DeFender1031> might be nice for "userdata" to instead be something more descriptive like "vconfig" or "translatable"
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20161106 02:04:53< celticminstrel> local old_type = type; function type(x) if old_type(x) == 'userdata' then return getmetatable(x) or 'userdata' else return old_type(x) end end
20161106 02:05:19< DeFender1031> (for the record, i wouldn't make it return the same thing as built-in types for custom stuff, given that there are cases where that would lead to misleading behavior, such as trying to pass a translatable to a lua string function)
20161106 02:05:20< celticminstrel> (In actual practice I'd probably make it slightly more complicated, in case getmetatable actually does return the metatable.)
20161106 02:05:37< DeFender1031> celticminstrel, yes, that's the obvious way to add the functionality
20161106 02:05:42< DeFender1031> might be worth considering
20161106 02:05:43< celticminstrel> (Also it might want to apply that to tables as well as userdatas.)
20161106 02:06:17< DeFender1031> if it were to apply that to tables too, then we'd need to ensure that it only returns the metatable if the metatable return is a string also...
20161106 02:06:35< DeFender1031> that too
20161106 02:06:53< celticminstrel> Some special Wesnoth objects are tables rather than userdata.
20161106 02:07:10< celticminstrel> (With custom metatables that have a __metatable key.)
20161106 02:07:18< DeFender1031> so yeah, it'd be local old_type = type; function type(x) if old_type(x) == 'userdata' and type(getmetatable(x)) == "string" then return getmetatable(x) or 'userdata' else return old_type(x) end end
20161106 02:07:26< celticminstrel> I can't think of an example off the top of my head though.
20161106 02:07:35< DeFender1031> celticminstrel, location_set
20161106 02:07:35< celticminstrel> Yeah.
20161106 02:07:50< celticminstrel> Well, location_set is defined in Lua, so yes.
20161106 02:07:57< celticminstrel> But some of the things defined in C++ too.
20161106 02:08:01< DeFender1031> ah
20161106 02:08:36< celticminstrel> (Does location_set actually set __metatable? I'm not actually sure. Probably should.)
20161106 02:08:56< DeFender1031> no idea. it just struck me as the first example of a custom table thingy with a special menaing
20161106 02:08:59< DeFender1031> actually
20161106 02:09:05< DeFender1031> it MUST set a metatable of some sort
20161106 02:09:09< DeFender1031> oh
20161106 02:09:12< celticminstrel> It does set a metatable.
20161106 02:09:17< DeFender1031> you mean the __metatable key. no idea.
20161106 02:09:23< celticminstrel> Yeah.
20161106 02:09:40< DeFender1031> yeah, misread the first time... missed the _s.
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20161106 02:59:43< lamefun> Is there a statically typed OOP framework for Lua, preferably with the possibility of immutable variables?
20161106 03:01:32< celticminstrel> I doubt you can get one that's statically typed.
20161106 03:02:21< lamefun> I'm basically really tired of chasing wrong variables throughout of long call chains.
20161106 03:02:37< lamefun> I'm already starting to add table schemas: http://paste.ofcode.org/Yc3KKLPt9D7mCZLqdsj9DW
20161106 03:04:19< celticminstrel> Interesting...
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