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20161109 00:19:46< can-ned_food> Village Conquest is ready!  thanks again for your help, Minstrel.
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20161109 00:29:36< can-ned_food> if an add-on on the server is incorrectly classified, is there an admin who manages things like that?
20161109 00:30:37 * can-ned_food glances in disgust at the formal logic of that last statement
20161109 00:31:36< celticminstrel> I don't think so.
20161109 00:31:58< celticminstrel> I think you'd have to take it up with the addon's author.
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20161109 00:56:03< can-ned_food> if $userdata/add-ons/_initial.cfg should be loaded first, why do i get a macro inclusion to a macro thereof which is throwing an error immediately following and with same timestamp as a preproc in that _initial.cfg datum?
20161109 00:56:12< can-ned_food> it's a tad perplexing
20161109 00:57:42< celticminstrel> Uhh.
20161109 00:57:47< can-ned_food> sorry if that was too terse.  i mean a macro is defined in that add-ons/_initial.cfg which then can't be located for expansion in a add-ons/Example/rsrc/something.cfg
20161109 00:58:12< celticminstrel> I don't think the game cares about any cfg files straight in add-ons.
20161109 00:58:33< celticminstrel> In particular, I doubt it loads _initial.cfg first and _final.cfg last.
20161109 00:58:53< celticminstrel> _initial and _final are used when you macro-include the directory containing them.
20161109 00:59:40< celticminstrel> I doubt addons/YourAddon/_initial.cfg would be treated specially either.
20161109 00:59:49< can-ned_food> my testing confirmed that it does load add-ons/_initial.cfg at least.
20161109 01:00:07< celticminstrel> Even if it does, you shouldn't be doing that.
20161109 01:00:28< celticminstrel> (And just because it loads it doesn't mean it's treating it specially. It might just load it thinking it's an addon called _initla.)
20161109 01:00:32< celticminstrel> ^_initial
20161109 01:00:55< can-ned_food> shouldn't?  well, obviously it doesn't help me when I want to use a [inspect] macro.
20161109 01:01:26< can-ned_food> but it is at least throwing a #warning preproc from that file
20161109 01:02:05< celticminstrel> You shouldn't be putting anything in addons/ except for a directory containing all your addon's files.
20161109 01:03:38< can-ned_food> you say “shouldn't”, though.  does it cause instabilities?  it seems like a good place to put macros i'd use for my own testing purposes in lieu of multiple symlinks or hardlinks.
20161109 01:04:12< can-ned_food> of course i am aware that i risk overwrites et c.
20161109 01:04:32< can-ned_food> or other problems with the add-on client. . .
20161109 01:04:40< celticminstrel> I see.
20161109 01:05:04< celticminstrel> Well, like I said, I doubt Wesnoth treats it specially.
20161109 01:05:24< celticminstrel> Which IIRC probably means it'll always be loaded last (underscore collates after the alphabet, right?)
20161109 01:05:46< celticminstrel> Though I'm not quite sure if Wesnoth guarantees addons are loaded alphabetically...
20161109 01:05:51< can-ned_food> on most systems.  Windows is bizarre
20161109 01:06:26< celticminstrel> Anyway, I think Wesnoth would just treat it like an addon whose name happens to be bizarre.
20161109 01:06:28< can-ned_food> but with me i think it loads by inode number
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20161109 01:07:28< can-ned_food> but yeah, i guess that seems like the most likely explanation.  that would also go towards explaining why the timestamps of the stderr messages are the same. . .
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20161109 01:08:56< celticminstrel> Unless you can give it a name that guarantees that the filesystem returns it before your addon, I don't think your idea will work.
20161109 01:09:00< can-ned_food> and since you say that none of the devs wanted to walk through add-ons/. in such a fashion, it isn't a bug.
20161109 01:10:06< celticminstrel> Pretty sure loading addons is something like "for each directory X in addons/, load X/_main.cfg".
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20161109 01:10:22< can-ned_food> Yup.  So, I guess i'll be working it into my _main.cfg then.
20161109 01:11:00< celticminstrel> _initial and _final come into play if a (some/directory/} subst is used.
20161109 01:11:01< can-ned_food> I delegate all the important stuff out of there, so i can even hardlink it amongst all my own add-ons
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20161109 01:11:41< can-ned_food> See, again i'm reading too much out of the wiki pages.
20161109 01:16:37< can-ned_food> actually, on my system, i forgot that most of my directory queries will ignore a leading 0x5F.  and if they went by strict ASCII, it would of course fall between the two letter case groups.
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20161109 01:50:56< lamefun> can I de-sync by performing factional math?
20161109 01:51:03< lamefun> (in Lua)
20161109 01:51:15< can-ned_food> you mean fractional?
20161109 01:51:29< celticminstrel> I dunno. Maybe.
20161109 01:51:44< celticminstrel> Maybe not.
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20161109 02:07:38< can-ned_food> lamefun, do you want to run some tests on that question?
20161109 02:08:21< can-ned_food> i can act as a client for you
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20161109 07:33:05< wingsfalcon> lol
20161109 07:33:11< wingsfalcon> sucssec login again
20161109 07:33:13< wingsfalcon> hehe
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20161109 07:33:25< celmin|sleep> Well good for you. No need to gloat about it.
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20161109 07:34:36< wingsfalcon> i canot login with modem but sucsses with wifi, idk what happen problem?
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20161109 08:01:15< lamefun> Lua tables: an excellent source of OOS...
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20161109 08:07:34< Soliton> Sachiel-sama: https://addons.wesnoth.org/
20161109 08:08:01< Sachiel-sama> there only newest versions
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20161109 08:08:57< Soliton> there are only the newest version for the respective wesnoth version, yes.
20161109 08:09:14< Soliton> so find a version where it was still an add-on.
20161109 08:09:38< Sachiel-sama> ouch, thanks
20161109 08:10:38< Soliton> looks like that is 1.2.
20161109 08:11:26< DeFender1031> Sachiel-sama, is there a reason you want the add-on version rather than the current mainline, up-to-date one?
20161109 08:17:17< Sachiel-sama> old version was 2 times longer, and shamans are available to recruit :)
20161109 08:18:26< Soliton> you don't need an add-on version for that just a version from a previous wesnoth release.
20161109 08:18:55< Soliton> it's unlikely to work with other wesnoth versions then it was released with naturally.
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20161109 08:19:40< Soliton> LoW was mainlined in 2008, btw.
20161109 08:20:54< Sachiel-sama> i just can install older wesnoth version for that
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20161109 08:24:02< zookeeper> 2 times longer, what?
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20161109 09:46:41< wingsfalcon> zookeper unban my ip 114.... frm here i promise not say spsmmer?
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20161109 10:12:47< DeFender1031> better idea: ban wings from here too.
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20161109 16:44:42< celticminstrel> Improving dialogue is hard.
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20161109 19:34:46< wingsfalcon> hehe i am back again
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20161109 19:58:11< wingsfalcon> i have ask why me can sucsses login with wifi, but not sucsses with modem?
20161109 19:58:28< wingsfalcon> answer admin
20161109 19:59:29< DeFender1031> wingsfalcon, likely because you're connecting to a different network via wifi whose IP hasn't been blocked.
20161109 20:00:54< wingsfalcon> oh 
20161109 20:02:01< wingsfalcon> but i have hide my ip not sucsses login why?
20161109 20:02:31< DeFender1031> but I would imagine that if you continue with this behavior, you may find yourself blocked there too.
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20161109 20:03:20< wingsfalcon> hmm i dont understand sir
20161109 20:07:38< DeFender1031> Then I don't know what to tell you.
20161109 20:08:12< DeFender1031> celticminstrel, I find that it helps if you can find each character's particular voice.
20161109 20:08:19< wingsfalcon> where can i see bans list ip?
20161109 20:10:09< DeFender1031> celticminstrel, for example, my main character is unsure of himself and his dialogue reflects that. A certain secondary character is sort of hot-headed and brash, which also shows.
20161109 20:10:40< DeFender1031> Another is stern and sort of formal.
20161109 20:11:12< DeFender1031> you kind of find a personality that fits with each character's role and go with it.
20161109 20:11:57< celticminstrel> When I said that I was looking at the conversations when you land on a village and get bonus units.
20161109 20:12:06< zookeeper> i'm pretty sure i have a much much better understanding of how to write dialogue and such than i did the last time i made any sizable attempts, but i'm not sure if that would end up helping or hindering me if i tried it now.
20161109 20:12:25< DeFender1031> celticminstrel, oh... yeah, that's tougher.
20161109 20:12:59< wingsfalcon> can you make game multirpg wesnoth in irc admin?
20161109 20:13:11< celticminstrel> I did manage to improve it though, I think.
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20161109 20:14:03< DeFender1031> celticminstrel, I tend to think of events like that more as throwaway one-liners than dialogue
20161109 20:16:03< DeFender1031> for example, (mild spoiler alert) I have some mock-polite bandits who talk about how friendly and generous the neighborhood is when they capture a village.
20161109 20:17:17< DeFender1031> (probably inspired by B.C. from the Deep Space 9 episode "Past Tense", now that I think about it.)
20161109 20:19:07< DeFender1031> (I literally only just realized that)
20161109 20:24:31< celticminstrel> Is B.C. the ex-security-officer?
20161109 20:24:39 * celticminstrel forgot his name though.
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20161109 20:26:22< DeFender1031> nah, he's the guy who starts the riot in the 21st century when they get transported back in time
20161109 20:26:28< DeFender1031> http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/B.C.
20161109 20:26:30< DeFender1031> this guy
20161109 20:26:43< DeFender1031> you're thinkg of Michael Eddington.
20161109 20:27:56< celticminstrel> My client decided the final dot wasn't part of the URL.
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20161109 21:53:54< DeFender1031> celticminstrel, apparently so did mine...
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20161109 22:23:48< celticminstrel> I also want to retitle my campaign...
20161109 22:24:05< celticminstrel> But I don't have any good ideas. I'm kinda bad at titles in general too.
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20161109 23:53:37< lamefun> does "facing", if "facing" is not set, come from the main random generator?
20161109 23:54:36< celticminstrel> I don't believe it's ever generated randomly...
20161109 23:54:52< celticminstrel> Most likely it always defaults to the same direction.
20161109 23:55:49< lamefun> I got OOS from using pairs on a statically initialized table...
20161109 23:56:03< lamefun> is pairs randomized or something?
20161109 23:56:31< celticminstrel> Pairs as in the Lua function?
20161109 23:57:12< lamefun> yes
20161109 23:57:45< celticminstrel> Huh...
20161109 23:57:56< celticminstrel> I doubt it's randomized.
20161109 23:58:12< celticminstrel> The order is unspecified, but it should be deterministic.
20161109 23:58:24< lamefun> but the table was statically initialized...
20161109 23:58:37< celticminstrel> What do you even mean by that.
20161109 23:59:08< lamefun> locations = { name = { { x = ..., y = ...}, ...}, ... }
20161109 23:59:15< lamefun> I used pairs to flatten it to a list of coordinates
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20161109 23:59:54< lamefun> then I wrote ord_pairs function that sorts the keys, and that particular de-sync problem is now gone
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