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20161113 09:19:15< Ipsilon> wtf I just played the dwarver door mission from HttT
20161113 09:20:12< Ipsilon> this is really frustrating
20161113 09:20:38< Ipsilon> make it to the doors in time..."oh, no...you need go to this other door" -> fail map
20161113 09:20:42< Ipsilon> messed up stuff
20161113 09:22:45< Ipsilon> ez waste of an hour
20161113 09:23:22< zookeeper> ah, it looks like that has never been changed to work a bit... better
20161113 09:23:39< zookeeper> although didn't you get a rider saying that you should scout ahead first to avoid disaster like that?
20161113 09:23:54< Ipsilon> I could have...but I _never_ expected it
20161113 09:24:04< Ipsilon> so frustrating
20161113 09:24:16< Ipsilon> the wrong kind of deus ex machina
20161113 09:24:28< zookeeper> yeah, i have to agree there :p sorry
20161113 09:24:40 * zookeeper adds it to the list of things to improve
20161113 09:24:56< Ipsilon> I could have easily made it faster...but  ┐( ﾟーﾟ)┌
20161113 09:26:02< Ipsilon> i guess I'll try to see if I can make it from a previous save :/
20161113 09:26:07< Ipsilon> cheating my way to glory
20161113 09:27:09< Ipsilon> konrad got a message from the future that told him to go northeast instaed
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20161113 15:14:22< DeFender1031> shadowm, weird glitch in IftU, The description for Elvish Civilians says they advance to Fighters, Archers, or Hunters, but when I got one that actually advanced, it gav me the options of Shaman, Archer, or Hunter. I subsequently realized that the advance list is based on gender, but it seems odd that one is listed in help but not the other.
20161113 15:20:45< shadowm> That's because the help system doesn't know that this is a possibility.
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20161113 15:29:22< DeFender1031> why not?
20161113 15:31:24< DeFender1031> advances_to=Elvish Fighter,Elvish Archer,Elvish Hunter,Elvish Shaman / [male] / advances_to=Elvish Fighter,Elvish Archer,Elvish Hunter / [/male] / [female] advances_to=Elvish Archer,Elvish Hunter,Elvish Shaman [/female]
20161113 15:32:24< shadowm> Yes, the help system doesn't understand this.
20161113 15:33:07< DeFender1031> really? that wouldn't do it?
20161113 15:35:45< shadowm> Hm, yeah, maybe. Not going to do it, though.
20161113 15:36:04< DeFender1031> why not?
20161113 15:36:25< DeFender1031> seems like a simple enough fix
20161113 15:36:42< shadowm> I'm not maintaining my campaigns at the moment and even then I'm not a fan of working around engine bugs that don't impact gameplay.
20161113 15:37:50< DeFender1031> "Impact gameplay" is subjective. I recruited a civilian planning to advance it to a fighter and was surprised when I couldn't.
20161113 15:38:51< shadowm> What you're suggesting doesn't fix that either.
20161113 15:39:25< DeFender1031> true
20161113 15:45:22< celticminstrel> Civilian to Shaman seems somehow weird though.
20161113 15:46:09< shadowm> I like weird.
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20161113 16:31:04< DeFender1031> celticminstrel, why's that?
20161113 16:31:15< celticminstrel> Why does it seem weird?
20161113 16:31:19< DeFender1031> yeh
20161113 16:31:20< celticminstrel> Probably the weapons difference.
20161113 16:31:43< DeFender1031> meh
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20161113 18:23:05< can-ned_food> Anyone else encountered problems with '[fire_event] name=capture' ?
20161113 18:23:25< DeFender1031> can-ned_food, what sort of problems?
20161113 18:24:06< can-ned_food> like x1,y1=0,0 or [primary_unit] causing it to fail
20161113 18:24:24< DeFender1031> are you explicitly setting those variables?
20161113 18:24:25< can-ned_food> I'm talking 1.12.6 of course
20161113 18:24:58< lamefun> Is there a built-in facility to export snippets of WML into Lua?
20161113 18:24:58< can-ned_food> No, that's what it's using for the village if i don't specify anything else in the [fire_event]
20161113 18:25:07< DeFender1031> [fire_event] just runs the event code. It's generally a bad idea to fire an existing event. If you do, you have to manually define the parameters up-front.
20161113 18:25:22< DeFender1031> that makes sense.
20161113 18:25:48< DeFender1031> how is it supposed to know what location you're firing the event for if you don't specify it?
20161113 18:26:28< can-ned_food> well, right.  that subroutine tree uses 0,0.  my problem is that [primary_unit] doesn't work.
20161113 18:27:00< DeFender1031> what do you mean by "doesn't work"?
20161113 18:27:10< can-ned_food> the event doesn't fire at all.
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20161113 18:27:53< DeFender1031> is the filter for [primary_unit] actually matching something?
20161113 18:27:55< can-ned_food> see, I want to call a "capture" event which is able to use all my custom definitions, rather than simply invoking a [capture_village] stricture.
20161113 18:29:14< can-ned_food> as for the match, it should be.  i use [primary_event] x,y=$x1,$y1 in a menu item, and they are being set correctly.
20161113 18:29:37< DeFender1031> wait... are you trying to have a village actually get captured by using [fire_event]?
20161113 18:29:43< DeFender1031> that's not going to work
20161113 18:30:08< DeFender1031> all [fire_event] does is runs the event handlers for a given event, it doesn't actually perform that event
20161113 18:31:35< DeFender1031> you also can't call [fire_event]name=attack to make units attack each other, or [fire_event]name=moveto to make a unit move somewhere. All it does is run code setup to run AFTER those things happen.
20161113 18:31:39< can-ned_food> That's the behavior I want.  I want to use every event i have defined for that "capture" name, rather than issue a [capture_village] owner= which then invokes the handlers ad hoc
20161113 18:32:37< DeFender1031> i'm not sure why you can't use [capture_village] with fire_event=yes
20161113 18:35:55< DeFender1031> wait, is there ACTUALLY a village you want captured or not?
20161113 18:41:21< can-ned_food> well, yes and no, but i just thought of something.  your info was helpful.
20161113 18:42:42< celticminstrel> [Nov 13@1:24:58pm] lamefun: Is there a built-in facility to export snippets of WML into Lua?
20161113 18:42:42< celticminstrel> You mean like the [args] tag in [lua]?
20161113 18:42:53< celticminstrel> Or something else?
20161113 18:43:02< lamefun> no, to export them in a global variable
20161113 18:43:38< celticminstrel> I don't get what you mean...
20161113 18:43:56< lamefun> I use this currently: http://paste.ofcode.org/SLSGjCqM5fJ6saD7HF84R8
20161113 18:44:12< can-ned_food> an arbitrary string of text which may contain WML junk?
20161113 18:46:39< DeFender1031> lamefun, the code you present without context which makes use of only your own functions does very little in terms on illustrating what you mean.
20161113 18:47:50< celticminstrel> ^
20161113 18:48:34< lamefun> there's only 1 of my functions, delocalize_cfg, and it does what's in the name: gets rid of translatable strings
20161113 18:48:38< lamefun> they're annoying
20161113 18:49:39< lamefun> it basically saves the given cfg into a global variable for future use (eg. for saving abilities, etc)
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20161113 18:54:45< DeFender1031> lamefun, if you remove all the extra junk that you're doing for you own opinionated reasons, saving a cfg for later use is basically a single line of code. No, there's no specialized function to perform what is already a single line of code.
20161113 18:55:14< DeFender1031> your own*
20161113 18:55:39< can-ned_food> technically that's not opinionated, that's preferential.
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20161113 18:56:14< lamefun> if I'm removing delocalize_cfg, I'm rewriting type(..) and string.format
20161113 18:56:22< DeFender1031> what?
20161113 18:56:22< lamefun> since they can't handle those strings...
20161113 18:57:00< DeFender1031> or just use things as they're meant to be used
20161113 18:57:19< DeFender1031> also, your delocalize thing seems to be basically the same thing as cfg.__parsed
20161113 18:57:24< can-ned_food> That's not an innovative attitude! ;-P
20161113 18:58:19< lamefun> __parsed returns normal strings instead of 'translatable string'?
20161113 18:59:05< DeFender1031> doesn't it?
20161113 18:59:10< DeFender1031> pretty sure it does.
20161113 18:59:13< celticminstrel> Probably not?
20161113 18:59:24< celticminstrel> Though any string that had something substituted would no longer be translatable.
20161113 18:59:35< DeFender1031> let me go test that
20161113 19:00:40< can-ned_food> this might be silly, but aren't translatable strings merely plain ol' strings with a prefix and special treatment?
20161113 19:02:53< DeFender1031> yeah okay, lamefun, you're right, it's still a userdata.
20161113 19:03:04< DeFender1031> can-ned_food, not from lua's point of view.
20161113 19:04:49< lamefun> i'll just keep rewriting/wrapping things, because sometimes things just lack features or are just plain k3wl...
20161113 19:05:12< lamefun> just like wesnoth.set_terrain (my wrapper: http://paste.ofcode.org/xBg9R3e7nT99zrwwt3kZLR)
20161113 19:06:45< DeFender1031> ugh
20161113 19:07:16< lamefun> because the stock set_terrain just does nothing if the terrain is invalid
20161113 19:07:28< DeFender1031> by design.
20161113 19:07:46< DeFender1031> you should not be passing invalid things
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20161113 19:08:31< lamefun> i'm not a space alien...
20161113 19:08:33< DeFender1031> if you are, it either means that you don't know how to follow what your own code is doing, or it's conditional and is meant to silently fail to avoid the need to have lots of [if]s all over your code.
20161113 19:08:49< DeFender1031> ugh... enough with the stupid space alien stuff
20161113 19:09:11< can-ned_food> “follow what your own code is doing” <-- yeah, i've had that happen!
20161113 19:09:41< can-ned_food> Usually when I was trying to be especially clever.
20161113 19:09:59< DeFender1031> instead of dismissing things you don't understand disparagingly as having been "designed for space aliens", why not actually try to expand your extremely narrow way of thinking?
20161113 19:10:50< DeFender1031> can-ned_food, to be fair, the source of most bugs is exactly that, but something simple like "is this terrain code valid" should not take a lot of brainpower to follow effectively.
20161113 19:12:04< can-ned_food> I'm just offering peripheral comments; I'm not following what you guys are discussing, so don't let me interrupt you two.
20161113 19:12:46< lamefun> http://paste.ofcode.org/RWtygMqrqFikDhQqBLVywM - i'm not a space alien or a savant to never mistype a terrain code or to remember all of them...
20161113 19:14:41< DeFender1031> lamefun, fine, but then when it doesn't change, you know that it failed and can fix it. You don't need a special debug message for that.
20161113 19:14:52< DeFender1031> ah
20161113 19:14:58< DeFender1031> okay, i see what you're doing
20161113 19:15:06< DeFender1031> that's a little more reasonable then
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20161113 19:21:03< can-ned_food> Anyways, thanks for your help DeFender, but if anyone has any experience with [set_menu_item] [command] [capture_village] fire_event=yes not working properly, please let me know.
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20161113 19:42:48< can-ned_food> ah, nobody told me that Ravana already had done a mod for team villages.
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20161113 19:47:21< can-ned_food> My mod is more elaborate, but simplicity has its advantages too.
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20161113 20:25:29< Ravana_> what you added to yours?
20161113 20:29:51< can-ned_food> i used [messages] for the prompts, and i needed to accomodate two of my other village mods.
20161113 20:30:13< can-ned_food> i mean, [message] plural
20161113 20:30:31< DeFender1031> What prompts are necessary? Isn't it just that teams share villages or is there something more?
20161113 20:32:33< Ravana_> I dislike [message] in synced multiplayer
20161113 20:35:44< Ravana_> did you manage to support undo without causing oos?
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20161113 20:43:29< can-ned_food> for those?  i didn't try
20161113 20:45:27< can-ned_food> anyways, mine could take or not take friendly villages by default, as well as prompt each time you landed on a village.  i guess the prompt would be seen as superfluous if you used the cursor menu to simply Capture, but blah blah blah.
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