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20161121 03:45:44< celticminstrel> Hmm, I thought I remembered seeing a toad/frog foot attack icon awhile ago, but I can't find it now...
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20161121 04:22:28< DeFender1031> celticminstrel, i don't see anything like that in the files output from my script
20161121 04:23:23< celticminstrel> Could've been my imagination... or something on the forums... or who knows...
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20161121 04:35:12< celticminstrel> No such thing found in Spotlight either, so it's probably not on my computer (if it even exists).
20161121 04:38:00< celticminstrel> Any idea what faction this is from? https://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=58563
20161121 04:38:06< celticminstrel> Faction/addon
20161121 04:38:52< celticminstrel> Although it's possible I have them already... I should've checked before asking... >_>
20161121 04:45:49< celticminstrel> Sounds like it's used maybe in Bob's RPG, but no idea if that's the ultimate source.
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20161121 05:32:16< celticminstrel> Do the [portrait] tags actually do something in 1.12? Are they needed?
20161121 05:33:46< celticminstrel> Is it safe to just delete them?
20161121 06:45:09 * celticminstrel wonders if it's possible for my scenario/campaign to add a new variant to the standard village terrain.
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20161121 07:39:35< celticminstrel> ...okay, what do I do when I get a missing macro error for a macro that's definitely defined prior to the error line... :|
20161121 07:39:58< celticminstrel> ...wait, I broke it just now trying to fix it....
20161121 07:40:24< celticminstrel> Still complaining though.
20161121 07:40:45< celticminstrel> Error on line 424, defined on line 353. What's wrong here...
20161121 07:46:01 * celticminstrel tries deleting WML cache with no luck.
20161121 07:47:32< celticminstrel> (I'd expect it to bypass that with F5 though.)
20161121 07:49:35< celticminstrel> Okay, commenting it out leads to new errors, and now I have an error at the macro definition rather than at the invocation.
20161121 07:50:12< celticminstrel> Pointing at the #enddef line and saying "Unterminated preprocessor definition". What. :S
20161121 07:51:43< celticminstrel> ...hold on. Something about that include trace is weird. Why is _main.cfg appearing twice.
20161121 07:52:39< celticminstrel> ...oh! I completely forgot that almost this entire file is a macro definition. So the #enddef was terminating the big macro instead of the small one.
20161121 07:53:28< celticminstrel> Someone really needs to look into improving the error message in the event of a nested #define, if they haven't already.
20161121 07:54:15 * celticminstrel moves it to the top of the file, and now everything works. Or at least, no preprocessor errors.
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20161121 15:57:07< celticminstrel> Somehow my end cutscene is going surprisingly well now, and contains potential sequel teasers too.
20161121 16:06:01< celticminstrel> Lately I have found myself cutting dialogue up with _"..." + " " + _"..." a lot.
20161121 16:06:06< celticminstrel> (Only full sentences of course.)
20161121 16:14:39< DeFender1031> why bother?
20161121 16:23:07< vultraz> ^
20161121 16:26:17< DeFender1031> Seriously, I'm curious. Is it better to break stuff up rather than put a whole message into a single string?
20161121 16:26:54< vultraz> not really
20161121 16:28:57< DeFender1031> the only thing I can think of is that if you break stuff up, if you make a minor change to one line of dialogue later, everything else will remain translated and only that line will need fixing. (Then again, it amounts to the same amount needing fixing anyway.)
20161121 16:30:59< vultraz> only benefit i can see is fewer newlines in the pofiles
20161121 16:33:22< celticminstrel> For reuse.
20161121 16:36:06< celticminstrel> Looks like I haven't actually done it that much.
20161121 16:36:41< celticminstrel> Basically, someone says "A. B." and someone else says "A. C." (or more likely the same person says it in a different conditional branch).
20161121 16:38:06< celticminstrel> I don't know if it's good practice, bad practice, or just unusual.
20161121 16:38:33< celticminstrel> But it seems to make sense to me - if broken up, A is translated only once, instead of being translated twice as part of two separate strings.
20161121 16:38:46< celticminstrel> Obviously it's a bad idea if the strings reference each other.
20161121 16:38:57< celticminstrel> But if they're independent of each other, it kinda makes sense to me.
20161121 16:39:28< zookeeper> if you're sure translators might not want to translate A in "A. B." differently than in "A. C." for whatever reasons, then sure
20161121 16:39:44< celticminstrel> (By that I mean that B and/or C reference A. Or reverse it; you have "A C" and "B C" and C references A/B.)
20161121 16:39:55< celticminstrel> Yeah, that's what I mean by them being independent.
20161121 16:40:55 * celticminstrel just noticed that one of them did have the "C referencing back to A/B" thing and fixed it by removing the pronoun to make it more general; it was basically "I don't understand it much".
20161121 16:41:48< lamefun> What if there are some languages where A and B are somehow dependent even in the cases where those exact A and B are completely independent in English and any other languages you know?
20161121 16:42:10< zookeeper> well he already said he's sure that doesn't happen... :p
20161121 16:42:35< celticminstrel> I think the sort of dependencies I'm thinking of are language-neutral, though.
20161121 16:42:49< celticminstrel> It's true that what you describe could be the case sometimes.
20161121 16:44:09< celticminstrel> I'm 99.999% sure that it won't be the case where I've used it though.
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20161121 16:45:10< celticminstrel> If I'm wrong and some translator notices, of course they're free to complain so I can fix it.
20161121 16:45:22< celticminstrel> (Not that anyone's likely to translate my campaign anyway.)
20161121 16:45:46< zookeeper> ...
20161121 16:46:02< zookeeper> so why are you doing that thing in the first place then? :p
20161121 16:46:12< celticminstrel> Well, just in case. :P
20161121 16:46:22< celticminstrel> (Actually someone said they might translate it to French.)
20161121 16:46:42< celticminstrel> (But no progress. So not really sure.)
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20161121 21:14:46< lamefun> Is a proper Lua debugger available in Wesnoth?
20161121 21:16:32< celticminstrel> No. I've heard of one for Windows only that works, but haven't tried it.
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20161121 21:37:29< lamefun> wesnoth.set_terrain works backwards... completely ignores invalid terrains, throws an error when given a nil...
20161121 21:40:13< DeFender1031> That's by design.
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20161121 21:43:12< lamefun> for not breaking old mods when terrains become obsolete?
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20161121 22:29:57< lamefun> Is there a way to tell preprocessor, include this file but don't do any processing on it?
20161121 22:30:06< lamefun> as if the file starts with << and and ends with >>
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20161121 22:33:15< DeFender1031> lamefun, why would you ever want that?
20161121 22:33:52< lamefun> to avoid littering my Lua files with -- << and -- >> at the beginning and the end
20161121 22:34:08< DeFender1031> you don't have to do that...
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20161121 22:34:27< DeFender1031> wrap the main include in the wml in those instead.
20161121 22:34:42< lamefun> how?
20161121 22:34:58< lamefun> does include even work inside << and >>?
20161121 22:35:18< DeFender1031> [lua] code = << wesnoth.dofile "~add-ons/myaddon/lua/main.lua" >> [/lua]
20161121 22:35:43< lamefun> well, then I have to publish add-on
20161121 22:36:11< lamefun> and it'll cut the number of people available for playtesting because you have to seek and download the add-on manually...
20161121 22:36:15< DeFender1031> ah.
20161121 22:36:26< DeFender1031> then yeah, no, you can't.
20161121 22:37:28< lamefun> is this fixed in 1.13?
20161121 22:37:48< DeFender1031> is what fixed?
20161121 22:37:54< lamefun> add-on downloading
20161121 22:38:05< DeFender1031> there's a system for it now, yes.
20161121 22:38:44< lamefun> will I be able to upload add-ons from command line?
20161121 22:40:20< Ravana_> you can do that with 1.12 already
20161121 22:46:53< DeFender1031> I'm also confused. The other day you were complaining about require not working the same way and now you're saying that you can't use external files anyway.
20161121 22:47:57< lamefun> I'm going to make a band-aid script which takes all Lua files and embeds them in a single WML.
20161121 22:48:46< celticminstrel> The amount of effort you're putting in is kind of incredible.
20161121 22:49:23< lamefun> because I'm an idiot and didn't do this right from the beginning, that's why
20161121 22:49:58< celticminstrel> That is, as usual, the wrong way of looking at it.
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20161121 23:22:58< lamefun> celticminstrel, http://paste.ofcode.org/32Lunp3i2Cw4iCkR4wDQynV - yeah, truly incredible effort...
20161121 23:24:21< celticminstrel> I didn't think you'd touch Python with a ten foot pole.
20161121 23:25:41< lamefun> >>> ['a', 'b', 'c'][3] --> IndexError: list index out of range
20161121 23:25:46< lamefun> at least it gives me that...
20161121 23:26:34< lamefun> >>> { 'a': 1 }['b'] --> KeyError: 'b'
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