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20161130 00:07:42< Shiki> Is some native English speaker here?
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20161130 00:07:50< Shiki> what is the better version of this:
20161130 00:07:57< Shiki> You need to install the Era of Myths first to play this campaign!
20161130 00:08:02< Shiki> You first need to install the Era of Myths to play this campaign!
20161130 00:44:24< aeth> the first one imo
20161130 00:46:12< aeth> I'd say "in order to play" instead of "to play", but I'm not sure if that sounds better or if that's just me being verbose to meet word count limits in school papers years ago.
20161130 00:46:22< aeth> Maybe "before playing" instead of "to play"
20161130 00:46:39< aeth> So maybe "You need to install the Era of Myths first before playing this campaign!"
20161130 00:48:04< aeth> And if you say "before playing" you can drop the "first"
20161130 00:48:22< aeth> "You need to install the Era of Myths before playing this campaign!" or something similar
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20161130 00:54:09< vultraz> Shiki: "You need Era of Myths in order to play this campaign"
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20161130 01:14:45< Shiki> Thanks
20161130 01:19:01< Shiki> vultraz, for me it sounds strange without the article in front of era of myths, but i think i heard something like that already often. Is it better without article?
20161130 01:19:24< vultraz> it doesn't matter either way
20161130 01:19:31< Shiki> http://pastebin.com/VKaGxiJE that's how it will get used
20161130 01:20:55< Shiki> I just want to make that two strings nicely before sending that to the translator.
20161130 01:36:21< aeth> Shiki: The article is only really needed if it's part of the title
20161130 01:36:48< aeth> In that case, "the" should be capitalized, e.g. "The New York Times"
20161130 01:42:11< aeth> This applies even mid-sentence, see how it's used here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times
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20161130 01:49:09< Shiki> ok. In this case, it's not part of the name. So, you usually skip the article?
20161130 01:49:19< celticminstrel> Uh.
20161130 01:49:42< celticminstrel> I think it works fine either with or without the article.
20161130 01:50:11< celticminstrel> Technically speaking, if it's something called "Era of Myths", it makes sense to leave off the article.
20161130 01:50:39< Shiki> ok
20161130 01:50:45< celticminstrel> While if it's just a description rather than a title, you'd say "You need the era of myths".
20161130 01:53:16< Shiki> That's really helpful. So I leave it off.
20161130 01:54:11< celticminstrel> "in order to play" is more formal-sounding BTW, compared to just "to play".
20161130 01:54:24< celticminstrel> Possibly more formal than "before playing" as well.
20161130 03:03:48< aeth> celticminstrel: that's why I'd personally go with "before playing"
20161130 03:34:02< vultraz> semantically they are not equivalent.
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20161130 03:35:05< vultraz> "in order to" implies a predicate. A must happen to cause/allow B. "before" simply specifies order of events. A must happen prior to B.
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20161130 04:34:52< aeth> vultraz: But they're roughly equivalent. A causing B or A necessarily (i.e. "need" or "must") coming before B.
20161130 04:35:13< aeth> vultraz: Because it's not just "before playing" it's "need to... before playing"
20161130 04:38:41< aeth> but this is moving into modal logic... Temporal logic, even. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporal_logic
20161130 04:38:48< aeth> which is not as simple as A -> B
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20161130 05:45:47< celticminstrel> Yeah, they're pretty close to equivalent.
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20161130 21:01:44< can-ned_food> Why do jerky jerks jerk you around when they pop in to a multiplayer game room, then exit right away?
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20161130 21:03:47< zookeeper> i'm just guessing but the "jerky jerks" bit might explain it
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20161130 21:19:54< DeFender1031> can-ned_food, perhaps they clicked on the wrong game by mistake? Perhaps they didn't realize until after they joined that the game is using some mod that they're not interesting in playing with? There are any number of reasons why someone would legitimately do that, aside from being jerky jerks.
20161130 21:22:52< can-ned_food> That makes sense.  Maybe they didn't see that I was using Ageless because the multiplayer lobby UI is a load of dingo's kidneys.
20161130 21:39:41< can-ned_food> I just got an idea for a cool new Era:  Strongbadia, Vs. the Homestarmy, Vs. the cast of Sweet Cuppin' Cakes.
20161130 21:47:38< can-ned_food> if only if could be done . . .
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20161130 21:49:53< zookeeper> can't say any of those three say anything to me
20161130 21:50:03< zookeeper> but probably that wasn't expected anyway :p
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20161130 22:01:25< DeFender1031> can-ned_food, you're a H*R fan?
20161130 22:02:01< DeFender1031> I don't come across too many of us these days.
20161130 22:05:14< can-ned_food> everybody know's it.  everybody knows it's true.  you've gotta do the best you can.  and, work out twice a day.
20161130 22:05:39< can-ned_food> don't ask me why i said that — because i already forgot.
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20161130 22:14:58< celticminstrel> H*R?
20161130 22:19:17< DeFender1031> celticminstrel, as I said, I don't run into many fans anymore. Homestar Runner.
20161130 22:19:29< DeFender1031> can-ned_food, are you on the wiki?
20161130 22:22:48< DeFender1031> celticminstrel, enlighten yourself: http://www.homestarrunner.com/firsttime.html
20161130 22:30:04< can-ned_food> no, i don't think i ever started an account there DeFender1031
20161130 22:31:23< DeFender1031> aw well.
20161130 22:31:44< DeFender1031> you see the latest halloeen stuff?
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20161130 22:37:24< can-ned_food> toodles
20161130 22:37:32< can-ned_food> no, i haven't
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