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20161216 00:00:03< zookeeper> currently you have OVERLAY_COMPLETE_LF calling OVERLAY_COMPLETE_LFB calling GENERIC_COMPLETE_LFB calling (GENERIC_RESTRICTED3_RANDOM_LFB, GENERIC_RESTRICTED2_RANDOM_LFB, GENERIC_RESTRICTED_RANDOM_LFB and GENERIC_SINGLE_RANDOM_LFB) and them calling (GENERIC_SINGLE_PLFB, GENERIC_RESTRICTED_PLFB, GENERIC_RESTRICTED2_PLFB and GENERIC_RESTRICTED3_PLFB) and the latter two of them calling...
20161216 00:00:10< zookeeper> i think it only goes one level deeper than that, with 7 calls which i don't want to copypaste.
20161216 00:01:21< zookeeper> which is why it's so infuriating whenever i have to figure out what one of those top-level macros _actually does_
20161216 00:01:53< celticminstrel> Oops, Shiki added a hide_hely.
20161216 00:02:04< Shiki> I can imagine... I just tried to understand sth... no luck
20161216 00:02:18< Shiki> celticminstrel, Shiki added lots of them
20161216 00:02:25< celticminstrel> Note the typo.
20161216 00:02:29< Shiki> oh
20161216 00:02:49 * celticminstrel is splitting the image changes out of that commit ATM.
20161216 00:03:44< celticminstrel> I guess that's just orcish shaman and miner.
20161216 00:03:54< zookeeper> i'm not claiming that my macros in new-macros.cfg are necessarily easy to understand, but at least you don't have to perform a gazillion greps in order to follow a trail of breadcrumbs leading you to the actual WML
20161216 00:04:40< zookeeper> i'll gladly have a bit of code duplication as long as it keeps prevents that macro chaining madness
20161216 00:04:47< zookeeper> -keeps
20161216 00:05:22< celticminstrel> Macro chaining madness! \o/
20161216 00:05:34< celticminstrel> Avoiding that doesn't sound like a bad thing.
20161216 00:06:27< Shiki> chaining madness is a good word for it
20161216 00:08:27 * celticminstrel considers attributing commit #3 to Shiki (and squashing Shiki's stuff into it).
20161216 00:09:56< celticminstrel> It's already pretty obscured about who did exactly what in the three commits in the main repo branch.
20161216 00:11:27< celticminstrel> I'm definitely going to squash all of your commits together, at least.
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20161216 00:12:51 * celticminstrel mistyped "git sad" :O
20161216 00:16:50< celticminstrel> Should I use SotBE or SoBE.
20161216 00:18:19< celticminstrel> Okay, now rewriting Shiki's commit message...
20161216 00:19:02< Shiki> ok, thanks
20161216 00:19:18< celticminstrel> Did you add Elvish_King and SkyOne to the credits?
20161216 00:19:38< Shiki> in _main.cfg? no
20161216 00:19:47< celticminstrel> 'kay, I won't worry too much about that then.
20161216 00:20:12< Shiki> I found out that they did it from the commit message
20161216 00:20:12< celticminstrel> This paragraph about questioning hide_help seems unimportant.
20161216 00:20:18< Shiki> it is
20161216 00:20:20< celticminstrel> Did you do something with the delinquent?
20161216 00:20:35< Shiki> and the next two too 
20161216 00:20:49< Shiki> adding hide_help 
20161216 00:20:52< celticminstrel> So the delinquent and Shynale bits are not reflecting of actual changes you did?
20161216 00:21:00< Shiki> no
20161216 00:21:04< celticminstrel> 'kay
20161216 00:21:39< celticminstrel> Oh, hmm. Seems like I accidentally ...
20161216 00:22:38< Shiki> accidentally rm -rf * ?
20161216 00:24:40< celticminstrel> No. :P
20161216 00:29:36< Shiki> zookeeper, there is also this. With the same swamp image. http://imgbox.com/3fKw8x8p
20161216 00:30:08< Shiki> (from two_brothers, Scenario 1)
20161216 00:35:02< zookeeper> i'm sure there's plenty of those
20161216 00:35:48< celticminstrel> "let the unit_types look more like the other ones in mainline"?
20161216 00:36:01< celticminstrel> Does that refer to all the reordering of attributes?
20161216 00:36:13< zookeeper> dunno why hills was chosen as one terrain to use small reeds next to
20161216 00:36:17< zookeeper> maybe the big ones would overlap badly
20161216 00:36:26< celticminstrel> Did you add a hit sound to Bone Captain...
20161216 00:36:49< celticminstrel> I saw some small_profile changes so I guess you did do that...
20161216 00:36:54< Shiki> yes, that refers to that
20161216 00:37:14< Shiki> bone captain was missing the {DEFENSE... line
20161216 00:37:25< celticminstrel> The what?
20161216 00:37:38< celticminstrel> Oh, it didn't have a defense animation at all.
20161216 00:37:57< Shiki> yes
20161216 00:38:14< Shiki> small_profile line did get just changed for 1.13
20161216 00:38:52< celticminstrel> No longer requires the black background and is generally just the larger portrait cropped and/or scaled.
20161216 00:39:25< celticminstrel> Does "update small_profiles to remove black background" sound accurate enough to you?
20161216 00:39:42< Shiki> a bit to accurate
20161216 00:39:52< celticminstrel> Too accurate?
20161216 00:39:54< Shiki> *too
20161216 00:40:00< celticminstrel> Why too accurate?
20161216 00:40:32< Shiki> since it is a 1 line change which is not really... sth new
20161216 00:40:36< celticminstrel> Ah.
20161216 00:41:10< celticminstrel> I see your next commit is has the hit sound and small profile in it, so I think I'll just use that to describe both changes.
20161216 00:42:01< Shiki> the first commit was more or less the todo list
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20161216 00:42:06< irker674> wesnoth: sigurdfdragon wesnoth:Secrets_of_the_Ancients 61e1b9650df7 / / (261 files in 20 dirs): SotA: Initial check-in of version 1.1.2 from BfW 1.13 add-on server https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/61e1b9650df7a6cac26d348130055c76fa01e162
20161216 00:42:06< irker674> wesnoth: beetlenaut wesnoth:Secrets_of_the_Ancients cfc20253329e / data/campaigns/Secrets_of_the_Ancients/ (20 files in 3 dirs): SotA: Cleanup and bugfixes for mainlining https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/cfc20253329e24437b0e540e14ec9ad587737ab7
20161216 00:42:07< irker674> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:Secrets_of_the_Ancients c3487b0392a3 / data/campaigns/Secrets_of_the_Ancients/ (22 files in 3 dirs): SotA: Cleanup of deprecated things https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/c3487b0392a3d443811b410b8961c6a69e22091a
20161216 00:42:08< irker674> wesnoth: Severin Glöckner wesnoth:Secrets_of_the_Ancients 2778feaa3cef / data/campaigns/Secrets_of_the_Ancients/ (30 files in 4 dirs): SotA: Final round of cleanup for mainlining https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/2778feaa3cefd49762ad03569728bd700945b2fa
20161216 00:42:11< celticminstrel> If that looks good, Shiki, zookeeper, I'll go ahead and merge into master.
20161216 00:42:45 * celticminstrel fixed the hide_hely typo too, and added a wmllint comment to the bone bird that matches the one in the chocobone.
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20161216 00:43:20< Appveyor> Details: https://ci.appveyor.com/project/wesnoth/wesnoth-7lnpw/build/Wesnoth-VS2015-master-47
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20161216 00:45:47< Shiki> zookeeper, i think in general it looks bad if the dark blue water part is to big. maybe it's the simplest to change that images.
20161216 00:47:18< zookeeper> can't make the swamp water not cover the entire hex
20161216 00:47:59< zookeeper> celticminstrel, i haven't investigated further to find any new issues, so no particular objections i guess
20161216 00:49:30< Shiki> celticminstrel, made a comment to your commit
20161216 00:50:19 * celticminstrel responded.
20161216 00:53:15< Shiki> ok
20161216 00:54:03< irker674> wesnoth: sigurdfdragon wesnoth:master 61e1b9650df7 / / (261 files in 20 dirs): SotA: Initial check-in of version 1.1.2 from BfW 1.13 add-on server https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/61e1b9650df7a6cac26d348130055c76fa01e162
20161216 00:54:05< irker674> wesnoth: beetlenaut wesnoth:master cfc20253329e / data/campaigns/Secrets_of_the_Ancients/ (20 files in 3 dirs): SotA: Cleanup and bugfixes for mainlining https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/cfc20253329e24437b0e540e14ec9ad587737ab7
20161216 00:54:07< irker674> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master c3487b0392a3 / data/campaigns/Secrets_of_the_Ancients/ (22 files in 3 dirs): SotA: Cleanup of deprecated things https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/c3487b0392a3d443811b410b8961c6a69e22091a
20161216 00:54:09< irker674> wesnoth: Severin Glöckner wesnoth:master 2778feaa3cef / data/campaigns/Secrets_of_the_Ancients/ (30 files in 4 dirs): SotA: Final round of cleanup for mainlining https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/2778feaa3cefd49762ad03569728bd700945b2fa
20161216 00:54:11< irker674> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master ca4972467a0e / / (261 files in 20 dirs): Merge pull request #896 from sigurdfdragon/(WIP)Add_SotA_to_Mainline https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/ca4972467a0e8da0d2da7bce87cd03f92d3b9ec0
20161216 00:55:40< Shiki> zookeeper, it's bigger than the hex http://imgbox.com/mHYkrnsS
20161216 00:57:22< Shiki> Oh, I just realized, the seminar which I thought I have in 5 hours was yesterday..... Well, I'm in christmas holidays
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20161216 00:59:05< Shiki> So, we have a new mainline campaign now ...
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20161216 01:08:46< Appveyor> The Battle for Wesnoth (Visual Studio 2015) - Debug Pentarctagon 5b29805: Have cmake and scons use same lists of source files (#882) Succeeded
20161216 01:08:46< Appveyor> Details: https://ci.appveyor.com/project/wesnoth/wesnoth-7lnpw/build/Wesnoth-VS2015-master-47
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20161216 01:09:43< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#12425 (Secrets_of_the_Ancients - 2778fea : Severin Glöckner): The build has errored.
20161216 01:09:43< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/184413478
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20161216 01:20:28< celticminstrel> That's likely because the branch was deleted.
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20161216 01:50:46< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#12426 (master - ca49724 : Celtic Minstrel): The build is still failing.
20161216 01:50:46< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/184415329
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20161216 02:15:28< celticminstrel> Oh right, I was supposed to fix the thing vultraz broke...
20161216 02:16:51< celticminstrel> ...
20161216 02:17:05< celticminstrel> My windows computer lost contact with the keyboard again. ><
20161216 02:21:45< celticminstrel> Which means the only recourse is to forcibly reboot it. (I guess I could've also tried plugging a different keyboard, but...)
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20161216 03:10:39< DeFender1031> setting up the prereqs for compiling while the repo clones. According to https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/INSTALL i need the development stuff for SDL 2.0.4 or greater, but it seems that the libsdl2 from debian stable is giving me 2.0.2... I thought wesnoth was obsesssively backwards compatible?
20161216 03:15:11< celticminstrel> Depends on who you talk to.
20161216 03:15:39< celticminstrel> I think it'll compile with 2.0.2, but it won't look pretty.
20161216 03:16:02< celticminstrel> Assuming the issue from when the requirement was bumped still applies.
20161216 03:16:33< celticminstrel> (Of course, that's if you override scons or cmake to make it accept 2.0.2.)
20161216 03:16:59< celticminstrel> (Which can be done in scons by setting an environment variable.)
20161216 03:17:11< DeFender1031> what does "won't look pretty" mean exactly?
20161216 03:17:45< celticminstrel> Things not rendering IIRC.
20161216 03:17:54< DeFender1031> what's the "libz" listed here?
20161216 03:17:56< celticminstrel> Mostly just unimportant stuff (like lines), but still.
20161216 03:17:58< DeFender1031> what things?
20161216 03:18:01< celticminstrel> libz would be zlib.
20161216 03:18:07< celticminstrel> I assume.
20161216 03:18:10< DeFender1031> okay, zlib i can get
20161216 03:18:23< DeFender1031> anyway, what "things" don't render?
20161216 03:18:51< celticminstrel> I don't remember exactly, but I think it was mainly dialog decorations.
20161216 03:19:35< DeFender1031> :/
20161216 03:19:52< celticminstrel> The culprit commit was one introducing the use of an SDL renderer in the GUI2 canvas class.
20161216 03:20:14< celticminstrel> There might've been additional issues unrelated to that as well, not sure.
20161216 03:20:34< celticminstrel> It was still useable as I recall. Just, not pretty.
20161216 03:20:57< DeFender1031> :/
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20161216 03:23:49< Shiki> DeFender1031, for compiling sdl2 https://wiki.wesnoth.org/Compilingwesnoth#Dev_Version_Additional_Requirements
20161216 03:27:20< DeFender1031> yeah, cmake is failing on the 2.0.2 thing
20161216 03:27:32< DeFender1031> Shiki, ugh, that looks annoying
20161216 03:27:45< Shiki> Isn't as bad as it looks. 
20161216 03:28:24< DeFender1031> annoying in the sense that it's introducing non-debian stuff into my system which might end up breaking other dependencies.
20161216 03:28:39< Shiki> you can use checkinstall
20161216 03:29:10< DeFender1031> hmm?
20161216 03:29:32< Shiki> that creates a debain package
20161216 03:30:08< DeFender1031> i'm not following.
20161216 03:30:22< Shiki> you just type checkinstall install of make install
20161216 03:30:37< Shiki> you just type checkinstall instead of make install
20161216 03:30:57< DeFender1031> perhaps starting at the beginning and take it step-bystep?
20161216 03:31:09< DeFender1031> i'm a little lost here
20161216 03:31:34< Shiki> well, i can try
20161216 03:31:54< Shiki> checkinstall is a ... let's call it script from the main repo
20161216 03:34:13< DeFender1031> i'm still lost.
20161216 03:34:25< Shiki> Usually you run ./configure, then "make" for compiling and afterwards "make install" for installing. But apt won't know about what you installed that way. And if you want to uninstall it get's dirty
20161216 03:35:30< DeFender1031> right, that's what i'm afraid of along with possibly having some debian package which depends on debian's libsdl breaking on the manually installed one.
20161216 03:35:52< Shiki> that's where this script comes in. instead of the "make install" step, you run "checkinstall". This will - additionally - create an debian package.
20161216 03:36:04< DeFender1031> hmm
20161216 03:36:26< DeFender1031> and that checkinstall thing will be in this tarball?
20161216 03:36:39< DeFender1031> that's what i'm not getting, where and what is this checkinstall thing?
20161216 03:36:56< Shiki> no, this is in the repo... sth like apt-get install checkinstall
20161216 03:37:10 * DeFender1031 searches for such
20161216 03:38:27< DeFender1031> just creating a deb package doesn't seem like quite enough to ensure easy uninstallation and dependency resolution
20161216 03:38:42< DeFender1031> it's unclear to me how this checkinstall thing can actually help
20161216 03:40:32< Shiki> for uninstallation it's enough - because it will know what belongs to the package, und uninstalling is actually just removing the files
20161216 03:41:36< DeFender1031> fine, assuming it also generates a name for the package that i remember when it's time to uninstall
20161216 03:41:50< DeFender1031> i'm more concerned about dependencies.
20161216 03:41:50< Shiki> exactly
20161216 03:42:27< Shiki> about dependency resolution - if a _debian package_ requires sdl 2.04, I suppose it will work if you name that package like the older package in the repo
20161216 03:43:26< Shiki> as for dependencies in the sense of "i just need that" and not for packages dependencies, it doesn't matter how it is installed, just that it is
20161216 03:43:48< DeFender1031> hmm
20161216 03:44:43< DeFender1031> so how exactly do i use this thing?
20161216 03:45:18< Shiki> you first get the tarpall, unpack it, run ./configure and make.
20161216 03:45:26< DeFender1031> that i did
20161216 03:45:46< Shiki> afterwards you run checkinstall - it will then ask you some things
20161216 03:46:12< DeFender1031> checkinstall with what parameters?
20161216 03:46:19< Shiki> with none
20161216 03:47:07< DeFender1031> hmm...
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20161216 03:48:45< DeFender1031> ah, i see what's going on here
20161216 03:48:57< DeFender1031> i can set up my own conflicts and dependencies and such
20161216 03:49:30< DeFender1031> still not sure how it actually creates the package files, but i'll get there (maybe it just runs the make install in a sandbox to see what it's doing?)
20161216 03:49:45< DeFender1031> but if i add a conflict for the official debian sdl, then that should do it.
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20161216 03:52:17< Shiki> I guess there's no need for that. maybe there is sth like a replaces or provides field?
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20161216 03:53:05< DeFender1031> both of those exist
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20161216 03:56:10< Shiki> I'm not sure what the difference is... but I think it's more or less the same if you give there the official package name
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20161216 04:04:35< DeFender1031> okay, i see how this checkinstall thing works. very cool
20161216 04:04:50< DeFender1031> and cmake for wesnoth has now succeeded.
20161216 04:04:54< DeFender1031> running make...
20161216 04:05:44< DeFender1031> got to 75% pretty quick then slowed down.
20161216 04:06:23< DeFender1031> I assume the % is based on the number of operations to perform and doesn't take into accout the estimated length of each operation...
20161216 04:06:32< DeFender1031> uh oh...
20161216 04:06:45< DeFender1031> src/log.cpp:177:8: error: ‘put_time’ is not a member of ‘std’
20161216 04:11:46< celticminstrel> I guess you're not using GCC 5+.
20161216 04:11:56< DeFender1031> is that a requirement?
20161216 04:11:58< celticminstrel> No.
20161216 04:12:07< celticminstrel> Fixing this is at the top of my TODO list.
20161216 04:12:16< celticminstrel> But it probably won't happen tonight.
20161216 04:12:27< DeFender1031> INSTALL says 4.8
20161216 04:12:29< DeFender1031> ah
20161216 04:12:33< celticminstrel> Correct.
20161216 04:12:37< DeFender1031> okay, then i'm stuck until then
20161216 04:12:53< celticminstrel> Unless you want to temporarily revert the two put_time commits, yes.
20161216 04:13:10< DeFender1031> not sure how to do that
20161216 04:13:47< DeFender1031> is there a way to tell make to continue even if it encounters an error and build as much as it can?
20161216 04:13:55< celticminstrel> I think so, but not sure how.
20161216 04:13:59< celticminstrel> As for reverting the commits,
20161216 04:14:14< DeFender1031> i'd like to get it mostly compiled so that when you fix this i'll be able to do the last bit and finally get things working
20161216 04:14:18< celticminstrel> git revert f27dcef 3f91b45
20161216 04:14:27< celticminstrel> Makes sense.
20161216 04:14:43< DeFender1031> i'm also a little... surprised that this got pushed to master if it's broken
20161216 04:14:51< DeFender1031> let me try that
20161216 04:14:56< celticminstrel> It happens quite often, unfortunately.
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20161216 04:15:16< celticminstrel> Well, that might be a slight exaggeration, but it has certainly happened a number of times.
20161216 04:15:55< DeFender1031> when do i have to run cmake and when can i run just make?
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20161216 04:16:05< celticminstrel> Uhh. I have no idea.
20161216 04:16:15< celticminstrel> I don't use cmake.
20161216 04:16:17< DeFender1031> how do you compile?
20161216 04:16:19< DeFender1031> ah
20161216 04:16:21< DeFender1031> scons
20161216 04:16:31< celticminstrel> I've used MSVC, XCode, and scons.
20161216 04:16:39< celticminstrel> (Not all at the same time, obviously.)
20161216 04:18:12< DeFender1031> well, after the revert, compile is getting farther now.
20161216 04:18:43< DeFender1031> gonna hit the hay (shoulda done so several hours ago). will let you all know tomorrow if i've finally managed to compile.
20161216 04:18:51< DeFender1031> gnight
20161216 04:18:54< celticminstrel> Good night.
20161216 04:20:28< Shiki> Good Night
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20161216 05:43:29< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/184448208
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20161216 08:38:59< vultraz> ok, so we've decided to open up our discord server as a sort of "trial run" to see how people prefer it over IRC: https://discord.gg/tSmJS2E
20161216 08:39:30-!- vultraz changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.13.7 scheduled for sometime in the new year unless zookeeper really wants a release on Sunday (19th) | Discord Server: https://discord.gg/tSmJS2E | Wesnoth Developers Channel | >>> Want to help? Go here: http://r.wesnoth.org/t42911 (and thanks!) <<< | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Bug tracker: http://bugs.wesnoth.org
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20161216 10:44:27< irker677> wesnoth: Severin Glöckner wesnoth:master bfd80bc30c64 / data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/units/ (35 files in 5 dirs): UTBS: use textdomain wesnoth-units for attacks which exist already there, rather https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/bfd80bc30c64565244bc6e39f8a7817f9ae1930f
20161216 10:48:01< zookeeper> looks like mainline campaigns are quite full of similar cases...
20161216 10:49:20< zookeeper> i should have thought of that eons ago
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20161216 10:57:57< vultraz> we should add a mainline-strings.cfg file
20161216 10:58:00< vultraz> like some addons do
20161216 11:00:06< zookeeper> what's that?
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20161216 11:07:56< zookeeper> hmh. the translation stats for mainline campaigns are really good. i was assuming they'd be a bit less translated than the core stuff, but they're almost all translated as much if not more than the core textdomains.
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20161216 11:16:27< DeFender1031> make[2]: *** No rule to make target '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libSDL2.so', needed by 'wesnothd'.  Stop.
20161216 11:22:45< vultraz> zookeeper: https://github.com/Vultraz/Shadows_of_Deception/blob/master/mainline-strings.cfg
20161216 11:23:55< DeFender1031> vultraz, any help with the above compile error?
20161216 11:24:06< zookeeper> vultraz, right. i think i prefer just inserting plain #textdomain directives where needed
20161216 11:24:13< DeFender1031> (Probably not, since you're not on linux)
20161216 11:25:11< vultraz> indeed I cannot
20161216 11:25:53< JyrkiVesterinen> Have you installed the SDL2 package after building it?
20161216 11:26:31< DeFender1031> JyrkiVesterinen, yes
20161216 11:27:20< JyrkiVesterinen> Do you know where it was installed?
20161216 11:27:51< JyrkiVesterinen> You could run "dpkg -L <package-name>" to find out, but you need to know the package name for that...
20161216 11:28:34< DeFender1031> hmm
20161216 11:28:40< DeFender1031> i do know the name
20161216 11:28:44< DeFender1031> let me check
20161216 11:30:27< DeFender1031> the most similar things that it installed were /usr/local/lib/libSDL2-2.0.so.0.4.1 and /usr/local/lib/libSDL2.la
20161216 11:30:53< JyrkiVesterinen> The first one sounds like the library you need.
20161216 11:31:12< DeFender1031> any idea why it's not where wesnoth expects it?
20161216 11:31:39< JyrkiVesterinen> sudo ln -s /usr/local/lib/libSDL2-2.0.so.0.4.1 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libSDL2.so
20161216 11:32:21< DeFender1031> and again with manually screwing with stuff that might break my system later... aw well, here goes nothing.
20161216 11:32:38< JyrkiVesterinen> I don't know how the build system tries to determine the locations of the libraries.
20161216 11:34:21< DeFender1031> if there were a way that it would check some local dir first, that'd be exceptionally nice, so that i could isolate my lib changes there.
20161216 11:34:53< DeFender1031> my day job's build system does that for some of our compiled applications
20161216 11:35:37< DeFender1031> if ./lib is present in the source directory, it will look in there for the libs it wants before looking in your system files
20161216 11:36:56< JyrkiVesterinen> Are you using CMake?
20161216 11:37:23< JyrkiVesterinen> Our CMakeLists.txt looks for packages with find_package() which is documented here: https://cmake.org/cmake/help/v3.7/command/find_package.html
20161216 11:37:47< DeFender1031> yes, cmake
20161216 11:38:47< DeFender1031> JyrkiVesterinen, btw, maybe you know the answer to what i asked last night. What kinds of changes require a fresh cmake and what kinds of changes will just make handle?
20161216 11:39:14< JyrkiVesterinen> I don't really know, I'm afraid. I usually develop on Windows.
20161216 11:40:03< DeFender1031> who would know?
20161216 11:42:23< JyrkiVesterinen> Hmm... the developers I can quickly think of don't use the GNU/Linux+CMake combination either.
20161216 11:42:49< JyrkiVesterinen> Shadowm might know, but he's quite inactive nowadays.
20161216 11:43:04< DeFender1031> Still talks here occasionally though
20161216 11:43:36< DeFender1031> and yeah, that link doesn't give any indication that what i said was possible... all the prefixes it scans are absolute.
20161216 11:45:30< JyrkiVesterinen> The build system seems to relay to this script: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/cmake/FindSDL2.cmake
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20161216 11:46:17< JyrkiVesterinen> Apparently lines 123-124 means that CMake checks if there is an environment variable called SDL2DIR, and tries to find the library there.
20161216 11:47:09< DeFender1031> that helps, but will it find it if it's named the way mine is?
20161216 11:47:19< JyrkiVesterinen> I don't know.
20161216 11:47:28< JyrkiVesterinen> https://cmake.org/cmake/help/v3.7/command/find_library.html
20161216 11:47:38< DeFender1031> whatever, i'll stick with the symlink for now.
20161216 11:47:54< DeFender1031> and the wacky hacky way i installed the compiled sdl
20161216 11:48:38< DeFender1031> heck, debian stable is siwtching over pretty soon anyway. It's likely the correct versions will be in the next release and i can drop all this garbage anyway.
20161216 11:53:13< JyrkiVesterinen> Indeed, Debian Stretch has already entered transition freeze. I have noticed that Sid has stabilized as a result (since maintainers no longer have any reason to rush in new packages as quickly as possible).
20161216 11:53:30< DeFender1031> right
20161216 12:07:17< DeFender1031> build is at 95% and still going...
20161216 12:07:23< DeFender1031> let's hope this works.
20161216 12:11:38< DeFender1031> 98%...
20161216 12:12:14< DeFender1031> man, the last few compiles are super slow...
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20161216 12:34:06< zookeeper> vultraz, the same sizing-based-on-first-unit issue seems to affect the recruit dialog too?
20161216 12:39:29< DeFender1031> SUCCESS!
20161216 12:39:45< JyrkiVesterinen> :)
20161216 12:43:30< irker677> wesnoth: ln-zookeeper wesnoth:master 0de929231993 / data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/ (9 files in 3 dirs): UtBS: Reshaped the Quenoth Mystic line somewhat https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/0de9292319930a9807b5f68fc477c2208c257dab
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20161216 12:55:52< vultraz> yes
20161216 13:00:55< DeFender1031> need to reboot again. brb
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20161216 13:20:36< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#12428 (master - 0de9292 : ln-zookeeper): The build is still failing.
20161216 13:20:36< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/184522128
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20161216 13:21:32< zookeeper> yeah yeah i can't possibly remember to put that [ci skip] in every commit i make.
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20161216 13:45:35< irker677> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 0fc5ab92a398 / data/gui/ (8 files in 2 dirs): GUI2: added a background for filter text boxes instead of using a 'Filter' label https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/0fc5ab92a3984e5019ca85b3355de190c90b3283
20161216 13:45:38< irker677> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 320e85d90777 / data/gui/ (18 files in 2 dirs): GUI2: renamed text size macros https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/320e85d9077775f01800dda2b1969414872b469f
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20161216 14:19:05< celticminstrel> ...
20161216 14:19:17< celticminstrel> vultraz, why
20161216 14:20:25< vultraz> hm
20161216 14:20:29< vultraz> ?
20161216 14:24:36< irker677> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master 3ecd34e3b455 / / (10 files in 5 dirs): Implement std::put_time wrapper for GCC < 5 https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/3ecd34e3b4552dddd30791d443673ee0906fa5d7
20161216 14:24:38< celticminstrel> Blah. Never mind.
20161216 14:25:13< celticminstrel> Ooh, so the shyde has simply been pushed back to level 4.
20161216 14:25:27< celticminstrel> But moon singer disabled? :|
20161216 14:25:41< celticminstrel> Confused.
20161216 14:25:52< celticminstrel> Or is that just for Zhul...
20161216 14:25:54< vultraz> thanks for doing that
20161216 14:26:03< vultraz> should serve until we drop gcc <5 support
20161216 14:26:15< celticminstrel> Which won't be for quite some time.
20161216 14:26:33< vultraz> debian stretch freezes in february.
20161216 14:28:01< celticminstrel> Why is moon singer disabled. :(
20161216 14:29:30< irker677> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master a84a309b6692 / projectfiles/CodeBlocks/wesnoth.cbp: Update CB projectfile https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/a84a309b669253ffb9923a4e2322175b88f2a32e
20161216 14:42:26< zookeeper> celticminstrel, i don't want 3 different branches sprouting wings, and the sun/moon thing is a bit too forced and cheesy, and i don't have any specific ideas how to turn the moon line into something better.
20161216 14:42:46< celticminstrel> :(
20161216 14:43:12< celticminstrel> You didn't like the idea of Zhul being unique then?
20161216 14:44:31< celticminstrel> Why is it forced and cheesy?
20161216 14:45:07< zookeeper> zhul needs wings in order to not be a liability due to slowness
20161216 14:45:32< zookeeper> and the "chaotic instead of lawful, cold instead of fire, night instead of day!" is what's forced and cheesy
20161216 14:46:45< celticminstrel> So it's not the concept of having sun and moon lines that's cheesy.
20161216 14:47:15< zookeeper> sure
20161216 14:47:53< celticminstrel> Moon could be neutral instead of lawful (less drastic shift) and maybe get some other ability or something.
20161216 14:48:10 * celticminstrel has no specific ideas though.
20161216 14:48:14< zookeeper> i'm open to specific suggesti... yeah :p
20161216 14:48:18< vultraz> here's where you develop lore
20161216 14:48:28< vultraz> and build your units around it.
20161216 14:48:34< vultraz> instead of "hey sun and moon sounds cool"
20161216 14:48:41< vultraz> or well, the opposite.
20161216 14:48:54< celticminstrel> You can still start with "hey sun and moon sounds cool" though.
20161216 14:50:20< celticminstrel> Okay so sun singer has fire touch, faerie fire, and healing.
20161216 14:50:52< celticminstrel> While moon singer has faerie touch, chill gale, and healing.
20161216 14:51:44< zookeeper> the third branch doesn't need to be moon anything, it could just something completely different (but preferably wingless)
20161216 14:51:52< zookeeper> and it doesn't need to branch off from mystic, either
20161216 14:52:06< celticminstrel> You mean it could branch off from druid instead, right?
20161216 14:52:28< vultraz> aren't winged faeries supposed to be rare pre-fall anyway
20161216 14:52:32< vultraz> or is that shadowmcanon
20161216 14:52:55< zookeeper> celticminstrel, shaman or druid
20161216 14:53:08< celticminstrel> Oh right, the druid is L3 now.
20161216 14:53:16< celticminstrel> Shaman'd make more sense.
20161216 14:53:28< zookeeper> well, just mystic or shaman, i guess, because from druid it'd be lvl4.
20161216 14:53:32< celticminstrel> Shaman -> Moon Singer basically.
20161216 14:53:58< celticminstrel> Shaman already has cures, huh.
20161216 14:54:28< vultraz> lllloooooorrrrreeeee
20161216 14:54:31 * celticminstrel is thinking maybe healing could be removed from the sun line.
20161216 14:54:51< celticminstrel> vultraz: Sure, think up some lore if you want.
20161216 14:59:19 * celticminstrel pulls up my list of things associated with the moon in various mythologies.
20161216 14:59:50< vultraz> minstrels of the germanic variety?
20161216 14:59:57< celticminstrel> ???
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20161216 15:01:10< celticminstrel> Chandra is associated with dew and vegetation... Phoebe is associated with prophesy... nothing else jumping out at me here.
20161216 15:02:20< vultraz> Artemis/Diana?
20161216 15:02:46< celticminstrel> I think one of those is identified with Phoebe.
20161216 15:03:02< celticminstrel> Oh wait, no.
20161216 15:03:11< celticminstrel> They're identified with each other.
20161216 15:03:18< celticminstrel> I guess that's why you named both at once.
20161216 15:03:32< celticminstrel> They're associated with animals, obviously.
20161216 15:03:36< celticminstrel> As a hunt goddess.
20161216 15:03:46< vultraz> and the moon.
20161216 15:03:49< celticminstrel> Particularly deer. Also oaks.
20161216 15:03:51< celticminstrel> Well yes.
20161216 15:04:32< vultraz> I'm not sure what we're looking for here
20161216 15:04:35< vultraz> moon gods
20161216 15:04:38< vultraz> or moon symbolism
20161216 15:04:40< celticminstrel> I dunno.
20161216 15:04:41< vultraz> moon customs
20161216 15:04:51< celticminstrel> I think I was looking more for symbolism than gods.
20161216 15:05:00< celticminstrel> It's just that gods tend to come with symbolism.
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20161216 15:07:40< vultraz> [02:03:14]	celticminstrel	I guess that's why you named both at once.
20161216 15:07:41< vultraz> same god
20161216 15:07:44< vultraz> greek/roman
20161216 15:08:06< celticminstrel> I think the identification of Greek and Roman gods isn't actually perfect.
20161216 15:08:25< celticminstrel> It may not be correct to think of them as the same god.
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20161216 15:11:08< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#12429 (master - 3ecd34e : Celtic Minstrel): The build is still failing.
20161216 15:11:08< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/184545951
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20161216 15:11:35< celticminstrel> Yay, it seems like it worked.
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20161216 15:29:27< celticminstrel> Fully fixing the build is almost impossible. :(
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20161216 15:46:51< vultraz> seems clang doesn't have put_time either
20161216 15:49:36< celticminstrel> That's an oversimplification.
20161216 15:49:51< celticminstrel> It's not a question of clang vs gcc.
20161216 15:50:38< celticminstrel> It's the libstdc++ library version that's the problem.
20161216 15:50:46< celticminstrel> Usually this is linked to the GCC version.
20161216 15:51:17< celticminstrel> However, clang always pretends to be GCC 4.2.1, so I can't check __GNUC__ to determine whether it's available.
20161216 15:51:30< celticminstrel> libstdc++ itself doesn't provide any version macros.
20161216 15:51:41< celticminstrel> It only provides __GLIBCXX__ which is useless.
20161216 15:52:02< celticminstrel> Checking the clang version would be pointless because this doesn't depend in any way on the clang version.
20161216 15:53:35< celticminstrel> Basically the only recourse is to either use __GLIBCXX__ (which is useless, because it won't be forward-compatible, because the value is not monotonically increasing and thus you can't just use < as you would with __GNUC__) or to locate a header that exists in GCC 5 but does not exist in GCC 4.9.
20161216 15:54:39< celticminstrel> A commit in Boost uses the latter technique to detect at least up to GCC 4.7.
20161216 15:54:46< celticminstrel> I suppose I could check the latest version of that file...
20161216 15:55:25< celticminstrel> Okay, so I can at least make it work for GCC 5.1.
20161216 15:55:46< celticminstrel> It'll fail if you use GCC 5 standard lib with clang. Hopefully no-one does that.
20161216 16:00:25< irker677> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master dab5d5704701 / src/ (gettext_boost.cpp utils/io.hpp): Alter test for std::put_time to work on clang+libstdc++ https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/dab5d57047017af950613cea97836f21b57dc351
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20161216 16:13:40< celticminstrel> :(
20161216 16:14:01< vultraz> [02:51:14]	celticminstrel	However, clang always pretends to be GCC 4.2.1]
20161216 16:14:03< vultraz> why...
20161216 16:14:04< vultraz> ?
20161216 16:14:28< irker677> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master 5f1cc5841d8c / src/gettext_boost.cpp: fixup! Alter test for std::put_time to work on clang+libstdc++ https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/5f1cc5841d8ce2ebfa7735ae684e24cb6b4afe85
20161216 16:14:29< celticminstrel> No idea!
20161216 16:15:03< celticminstrel> I should say "claims" rather than "pretends".
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20161216 16:53:44< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/184577249
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20161216 16:54:15< celticminstrel> ...
20161216 16:55:24< celticminstrel> .........
20161216 16:55:47< vultraz> it's worse!
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20161216 16:55:54< Appveyor> The Battle for Wesnoth (Visual Studio 2013) - Release Celtic Minstrel 5f1cc58: fixup! Alter test for std::put_time to work on clang+libstdc++ Failed
20161216 16:55:54< Appveyor> Details: https://ci.appveyor.com/project/wesnoth/wesnoth/build/Wesnoth-VS2013-master-50
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20161216 16:56:03< celticminstrel> Look at the commit, and look at the error message. :|
20161216 16:56:11< celticminstrel> Those lines do not match.
20161216 16:56:17< celticminstrel> ...
20161216 16:56:18< celticminstrel> OH
20161216 16:56:43< celticminstrel> :(
20161216 16:56:50< celticminstrel> Somehow I only committed half the fix.
20161216 16:57:10< irker677> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master b2178670c35b / src/utils/io.hpp: fixup! fixup! Alter test for std::put_time to work on clang+libstdc++ https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/b2178670c35b40dd62cbd890805c744efe022f16
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20161216 19:55:11< irker677> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 50e3b287880a / RELEASE_NOTES: clean RELEASE_NOTES https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/50e3b287880a3308269ea2a16784f81473afe4a0
20161216 19:57:25< irker677> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 6337441c8976 / RELEASE_NOTES: clean RELEASE_NOTES https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/6337441c8976a56072bb73d8ad11ec07c6247a2a
20161216 20:04:50< irker677> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master f2f880865105 / RELEASE_NOTES: Update RELEASE_NOTES https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/f2f880865105f1cbbad01becf0fb0f331c8d3976
20161216 20:05:29< celticminstrel> Someone should write something about SotA there.
20161216 20:05:34< celticminstrel> Like a blurb or something.
20161216 20:09:17< vultraz> So, based on the popularity of the Discord server, we'll see about migrating towards that as a primary development communication platform.
20161216 20:09:52< vultraz> really depends if anyone likes working with it over irc.
20161216 20:09:58< celticminstrel> I refuse.
20161216 20:11:29< vultraz> hm?
20161216 20:12:30< celticminstrel> I mean, if you really switched over and this channel was abandoned, I might join a discord server, but even then I might just stick to github for communication.
20161216 20:12:56< vultraz> This channel's not going to be abandoned any time soon.
20161216 20:13:07< celticminstrel> Moving to discord has nothing to offer from my perspective (based on my understanding of discord which admittedly might be incomplete).
20161216 20:13:44< celticminstrel> I'd have to make an account, for starters.
20161216 20:13:58< celticminstrel> I try to avoid creating accounts.
20161216 20:14:15< celticminstrel> I wasn't terribly happy at having to create a GNA account.
20161216 20:14:33< vultraz> how do you use social media o_O
20161216 20:14:40< celticminstrel> I don't.
20161216 20:14:48< celticminstrel> Except recently a bit of Twitter.
20161216 20:14:49< vultraz> P_P
20161216 20:15:08< celticminstrel> I don't even know what P_P means.
20161216 20:15:09< vultraz> well, you don't *have* to create an account for Discord
20161216 20:15:13< vultraz> just if you want to register your name.
20161216 20:15:29< vultraz> P_P = eyes popping from surprise :P
20161216 20:15:45< celticminstrel> Normally I'd use O_O for that, but whatever.
20161216 20:16:22< celticminstrel> Twitter is basically my only social media, and I don't really do much there. Nearly all my recent activity has just been retweeting. (And I only have two followers too.)
20161216 20:16:30< celticminstrel> (One of whom is my sister.)
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20161216 20:46:52< zookeeper> you have _one_ social media and you pick _twitter_ to be that? eww... :>
20161216 20:47:09< celticminstrel> It's a low-effort social media? >_>
20161216 20:47:20< zookeeper> well i guess there's that
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20161216 20:50:08< zookeeper> "we'll see about migrating towards that as a primary development communication platform" <- do you understand that it means intentionally trying to split development communication, which is a really bad idea? besides, what popularity? there's just a handful of people there.
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20161216 20:54:12< zookeeper> i mean, if you make it some kind of official #1 place for development communication, then that means directing new people there, and that's bad because, well, then they're not really communicating with most other developers.
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20161216 21:01:12< zookeeper> advertising alternative communication avenues is fine because of course irc can be awkward for complete newbies, but it's potentially hazardous community-wise to advertise something new as the "primary platform", because at some point it's going to drive people there who would have otherwise been perfectly capable of coming here.
20161216 21:03:27< Soliton> it's certainly weird to setup a new communication platform as a test and shortly after say it might be the new primary platform when there seems to be no indication that that makes any sense.
20161216 21:04:09< Soliton> and tweeting about it when barely anyone is even there yet.
20161216 21:07:03< celticminstrel> Tweeting about its existence is fine IMO.
20161216 21:08:54< Soliton> maybe if it reads like "We're trying out Discord!" instead of making it sound like it's an established communication channel.
20161216 21:09:29< Soliton> i doubt that'd get many devs to hear about it though.
20161216 21:10:16< Soliton> and attracting random people there makes little sense at this point.
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20161216 21:14:38< zookeeper> we already have this little vultraz-jet-lordbob bubble where you clearly talk and plan amongst yourselves in isolation out there somewhere about wesnoth development, but no one knows to what degree, and it's awkward because it means potential input from other developers enters the picture much later.
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20161216 21:16:19< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#12434 (master - 6337441 : gfgtdf): The build is still failing.
20161216 21:16:19< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/184633432
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20161216 21:16:22< zookeeper> there's this constant dread that your bubble is going to convince itself that X is a great idea and then suddenly it's been done already and then the sunken costs fallacy comes in and some people are gonna be pissed off no matter what
20161216 21:18:00< celticminstrel> Ugh, now the clang builds work but GCC doesn't...
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20161216 21:19:34< celticminstrel> Okay, I guess I have to edit global.hpp after all.
20161216 21:23:13< Shiki_> about thr RELEASE_NOTES, maybe we should mention that the macro is deprecated, and that there is the [foreach] tag now instead
20161216 21:24:28< zookeeper> i'd recommend some other word than deprecation though. that gives off the impression that there's some kind of reason everyone should switch, that we're going to remove it or something.
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20161216 21:40:33< celticminstrel> Well, it's not unlikely that it'll be removed sometime after 1.14.
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20161216 22:09:58< zookeeper> no reason whatsoever to remove it
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20161216 22:13:30< celticminstrel> Before 1.14, no.
20161216 22:13:59< irker677> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master 4d7b2294c5ca / src/ (gettext_boost.cpp global.hpp utils/io.hpp): Refactor std::put_time detection https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/4d7b2294c5ca732998dbd50fb91263a6a080af4b
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20161216 22:45:26< zookeeper> celticminstrel, no reason afterwards either
20161216 22:46:03< celticminstrel> I disagree, but whatever.
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