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What's the preferred line length to try not to exceed in C++ code? 20161221 11:22:17< JyrkiVesterinen> From what I can tell, it depends on the developer in question. 20161221 11:22:33< JyrkiVesterinen> Personally I try to avoid exceeding line length of surrounding code. 20161221 11:23:46< JyrkiVesterinen> But other than that I don't limit the length of lines at all. 20161221 11:24:05< JyrkiVesterinen> When writing brand new C++ files, I try to stick to 100 columns or so. 20161221 11:27:57-!- zookeeper [~lmsnie@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20161221 11:44:47< DeFender1031> i tend to stick to 130 in my own projects 20161221 11:45:21-!- Kwandulin [~Miranda@WL-POOL2-ONT-096.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20161221 12:55:33-!- atarocch [~atarocch@2.43.3.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20161221 13:01:00< DeFender1031> found a weird edge-case difference between my split() code and the existing split() code in string_utils, where if you pass an empty string and a flags parameter not containing REMOVE_EMPTY (meaning, we're NOT removing empty) the old version would still return an empty vector, whereas my code returns a vector with a single empty string. I would ordinarily treat the old code's behavior as a bug, but without knowing how it's 20161221 13:01:01< DeFender1031> used, I don't know if there are any cases where it actually relies on that behavior. Also of note is that if the string contains, for example, a single space, then it WILL return a vector with a single entry (either empty or with a space, depending on whether the flags contained STRIP_SPACES or not) 20161221 13:01:13< DeFender1031> I can elaborate if this is not clear. 20161221 13:03:32< JyrkiVesterinen> I believe that none of us knows whether anything relies on the old behavior. 20161221 13:03:35< DeFender1031> I mean, it's simple enough to add a check to my code to make it behave the same way for an empty string, but I'd rather not if this is actually a bug 20161221 13:03:58< DeFender1031> JyrkiVesterinen, so how would one go about determining this? 20161221 13:04:19< JyrkiVesterinen> I suggest that you simply try running the game with your split() implementation and see if anything breaks. 20161221 13:04:28-!- irker840 [~irker@uruz.ai0867.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20161221 13:04:28< irker840> wesnoth: ln-zookeeper wesnoth:master 5dbff70e155d / data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/ (9 files): UtBS: Fixed capitalization and a few other details in objectives https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/5dbff70e155de5d061ea7e048d8c5cc46a29bd18 20161221 13:05:08< DeFender1031> already did. the menu screen loads properly without any sort of issue. The question is how much running the game I should be doing before being comfortable with the change 20161221 13:05:45< DeFender1031> for all i know, this is relevant, but only in some obscure edge case with some specific WML that i won't necessarily encounter. 20161221 13:05:58< JyrkiVesterinen> It's up to you. No one can really give any hard rules about how much you should test. 20161221 13:06:16< JyrkiVesterinen> Personally I test my own changes only lightly before I push them to master. 20161221 13:07:23< DeFender1031> hmm... should I add a note to the code saying that the behavior has changed, the date, and that if no issue is discovered that was the result of the change, the note can be removed in two years? 20161221 13:08:09< JyrkiVesterinen> I think it's unnecessary. We can use git blame to check when the function was changed. 20161221 13:08:32< JyrkiVesterinen> Noting the semantic change in the commit message is enough. 20161221 13:09:15< DeFender1031> okay. 20161221 13:09:43< DeFender1031> though, won't my commits get rebased before being stuck into master? 20161221 13:10:29< JyrkiVesterinen> History rewriting doesn't necessarily erase commit messages. 20161221 13:10:49< JyrkiVesterinen> A developer can change commit messages when rewriting history but doesn't *have to*. 20161221 13:11:41-!- atarocch [~atarocch@2.43.3.197] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20161221 13:11:44< JyrkiVesterinen> In addition, it may not be necessary to rewrite the history of your branch in the first place. 20161221 13:11:58< DeFender1031> okay 20161221 13:12:29< DeFender1031> basically, "include it in the commit message and then it becomes the responsibility of whoever's merging". I can live with that 20161221 13:20:57< DeFender1031> I currently have some debugging output lines any time my code produces a different result than the old one. 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